I saw both of these EXACT SAME things yesterday at Foxwoods - at just one table in single three hour session. A table of mostly regulars that pretended not to know each other. After an hour or two, the conversation made it plain they do. By the end of the third hour, they're laughing about the checkdowns.

Foxwoods has its +/-, as does MS. But the continual FW fanbois talk here on 2+2 got old years ago. There's far far more silent collusion at FW than the sun - if for no other reason thanb there are so many more regs there.

I probably should of to be honest, didn't really think much of it cause I've heard of the tales of softplay at Mohegan 2-5 and expected it, but didn't think they would do it in the open like that.

Have logged like 400hrs at 1-2 and that was my first 2-5 shot.. Did not expect it to be that obvious...

By the way, perusing the thread I saw you say you wear button downs and your name is nick... Were you playing 2-5 Friday? Was playing with a younger guy who fit that description and one of his friends called him a bankroll nit for Not playing 5-10

<---- bankroll nit yes , that was me

I played 2-5 friday night/saturday morning and didn't see any softplaying. The game was very soft. Despite barely keeping my eyes open, it was pretty easy table. Maybe I missed some action as I was comatose for a while. I think it was the only 2-5 table going by early am. I always find the MS 2-5 very soft. Maybe its just getting lucky with table selection or mostly w/e play.

I have seen the checking down collusion in the past. It doesn't worry me that much. I have not seen preflop raising wars where colluders squeeze out a player. That's far worse imo. It is collusion to softplay friends. Its usually pretty transparent and open so its not that bad. Once you see it, you know those guys are friends and will adjust accordingly. If you don't know about it, its worse. Real colluders wouldn't be so out in the open. I agree the dealers should enforce the rules and the floor should get called over. However, I usually don't do that so as not to wear a target.

How many players showed up for the 30k 10am last Sunday? MS blog didn't have a report on it.

Anyone interested in a fun Saturday night game tonight? Like a 4-8 HORSE? And add some fun fishy games such as badugi or Crazy Pineapple! Will even play 3-6 as long as its white chips only to attract a crowd! Please reply to this as if there's some interested I will get there around 6ish and get a list going!
Let's get mixed games back in action in this place people!

please get some sort of mix game going. i wont be able to play this weekend but i like to have options for the near future.

Need players like you who are willing to play it! Know anyone else?

Too many dual rates is the prob. Why would they want to say anything when the next day they could be dealing to the same person.

Totally agree with the softplaying/colluding/sharing $$$ situation with the skums at mohegan. You dont see much of it at foxwoods.. but its just a joke. People htink 2/5 is a "big game" put us up on a balcony and rail like its the fn wsop main.

I played alot of 2/5 saw guys say"hey lets check it down" ive seen AK check down with an AK6 flop with 2 clubs, other guy had a FD too, nice $40 pot! ive seen and heard people and saw $$ exchanges. Ive heard people say"yeah we're up $1800 this week" and laugh and joke about it.

I been in pots 3 handed with guys i know who are splitting at the end and i cant help but to think that they are cheating or"gambling cuz theyll have a better chance of pushing me out" impossible to prove sure , i might sound paranoid but i play millions of hands and know shady play when i see it. mohegan sun is a joke

[QUOTE=Mark275;30194126]Totally agree with the softplaying/colluding/sharing $$$ situation with the skums at mohegan. .../QUOTE]

Two guys checking it down when they're HU really doesn't bother me much; if they were really colluding, they'd be raising each other out so as not to have to show. But it does have a negative impact on casual players and does tend to drive them away, which is bad for the game.

Also lol @ 2/5 being a big game. The stage does contribute to these guys attitudes of being able to do what they want.

Stage is pretty cool, but when the biggest game that consistently runs is 2/5nl, its just lol.

Bottom line is that the floor needs to give warnings and then temp bans to these guys everytime they are publicly caught doing this stuff. Any type of collusion in multiway pots should be dealt with incredibly harshly.

The floor just doesn't care/ doesnt want to be the villian. Thats the problem with having off-duty dealers as floor.

Funny how you don't mention what an incredible douche you were being. You provoked the whole situation. You created an environment with a ton of tension. It slowed down the game. Calling the floor and making a huge fuss over nothing. Who'd want to play in a game with no etiquette. I saw you looking for altercations with anybody who'd partake in your bs. You were wrong and ****inued on for quite some time. It was juvenile, annoying, and most of all uncomfortable. Thanks for trying to lie here but I was there and have no interest in protecting anything but the truth.

I've been reading this board for a while, and thought I'd start posting, especially since I just started playing $2-5 this weekend.

Have any of you played with a quiet Asian kid, maybe late 20s? Really narrows it down, I know, but I think he went to Michigan? Does he post here? Any thoughts about him?

yea, I played with him today.

he's ok.

to say/reveal much more would be unfair to him.

sigh...

Player x goes all in, Player Y calls, player x is supposed to table a called hand at showdown. Live players will often just stare at each other and it becomes a p****ng contest. Instead of effectively slowrolling John I tabled what I thought was the winning hand instead of sitting there and forcing him to show. I then requested that his hand be tabled. There is absolutely nothing wrong with asking to see the aggressors hand at showdown (rulewise, yes I know its bad etiquette). John's reply was "Go F*** yourself" then he leaned forward, grabbed his cards and stuffed them in the muck and created a scene. You don't just walk around telling people you either don't know or vaguely know to go stuff it since you think you have a huge bravado.

Was what I did poor etiquette and in bad taste considering the day the plumber was already having? Yes, and I am more than aware of this.

John not only repeatedly told myself, the dealer, and various floors to go f ourselves, he also threatened me. This is never ok and the fact that anyone, let alone somebody who plays every freaking day, in a poker room thinks it is is only more of a testament that something really needs to be done. This kind of behavior goes on in the room every day and it's sad.

The whole situation was trivial and I wish it did not get blown out of proportion like it did, but you can't change the past. You calling me a liar is unwarranted

Were you sitting in the three seat?

Would anyone be interested in getting a 2/5 NL, 1/2 PLO mix game going?

I know it ran a couple times earlier in the year...

anyone?

I'd also be cool with straight up 2/5 PLO

Has anyone ever played against this guy who is probably like a 30-something year old Russian who a lot of the people there were saying is a regular at the 1-2 and 2-5 NL games?

I played with him today and he will bet like 10 times the big blind with 2-3 offsuit, call shoves on the flop with Ace-high, etc.

Does anyone know who I am talking about?

I play Mohegan 2/5 all the time, and have never seen collusion. A lot of the soft play can be chalked up to the idiots not knowing when to value bet. But it's also a very small player base, and it's always the same 30-40 guys there. Many of them are old recreational players, and don't want to "gamble" against one another.

It's like what Matt Damon and his friends do at the Taj Mahal in Atlantic City. They're not necessarily playing together. But they're not playing against one another either. duh

These players who do check down hands with one another and do other dumb softplay stuff like that aren't the players you should worry about. They're the ones you want to keep happy.

That being said, the floor at Mohegan is awful. I've been jumped on the waiting list for 2/5 multiple times, with the floor claiming someone was a "call-in," when I know it's not true because I was a call-in, and ahead of that other person on the list. So yeah they suck off the regs a little bit, but it's nothing worse than what Foxwoods does.

Hi all, making my yearly trip on Friday 12/09 to MS to play some low limit hold'em. Are they still 2/4 and 4/8? Do you think any games will be going early; getting there about 9:30 AM or so. Thanks

Amen I just started playing regular about a year ago tried foxwoods for a few week then decided to see how the sun shined
must confess pre-democrcy at the woode the dealerd at the sun we more pleasant
that said the room and treatment of poker players is markedly different foxwoods despite all its faults seems to focus on poker at the sun its seems more of an afterthought
woods for me
sun has hotter babes by far though

wow i haven't been to the room in like a year and it sounds like I won't be returning anytime soon. Things have gotten this bad? 2/5 is the biggest game? it's on the stage? lol what a joke. Also-posts about regs and floor incompetence do not help.

it's a shame......mohegan is a nice casino overall and the room is comfortable, but why go there with conditions like this? not sure what the answer is but sounds like the room is dying if not dead already.

Everyone has their own opinions, and experiences for why they dislike Mohegan. I will stand up and say the opposite. I have always been treated well by the floors there. The room is progressive and interesting in their promotions, and the dealers are stellar. I have no complaints. I am a 1/2 and 2/5 player.

The dealers at Mohegan are the best I have had at any casino, everyone has problems with the floor at casinos. Every place has their own rules or regulations, sometimes they aren't enforce evenly across all employees is when the problems occur. The room is comfortable and usually has good action on the weekends when most people go.

Hey all,
Was wondering if anyone has any info on the 30k guarantee tourney on sunday.

I see on the monthly schedule it's a 10am start.

The main thing I'm curious about is how long the tourney goes until? Any idea approximately what time this thing has been wrapping up?

Thanks in advance.