Just give the woman her tip and take the drink. I haven't seen anyone else do that at 5/10.

I thought they were really making progress with the wait lists but today is a zoo. The stairs are closed leading into the poker room also, I hope i don't have to pee.

what? so u have to use the elevator to get in and out?
why is the main entrance closed?

Yup you do. It looks like they are painting the stairs, i really hope there is more to it than that....

We are re-doing the stairs. The metal tips are pulling away so we are re-doing them in granite I believe. Should be good tomorrow



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Mike

Stairs and now the elevator is down...

Limit hold em - the game of the future. That's right boys and girls, when you all get tired of waiting 20 minutes for everybody to make a trivial decision at no limit and you're over flipping coins at plo, your ol' pal limit hold em will still be there waiting for you!!!

All bull**** aside, seriously...700ish players in the room at any given time on a weekend and we can't get one mistakes limit hold em game going? Lame. Some of us are making a concentrated effort to get a game established at MD live. Next shot is either 15/30 or 25/50 this Saturday at 1 PM. Fwiw, every time the game has gone its been awesome - give it a try, you might like it

On the off chance that anybody actually wants to play in this game, shoot me a pm with your email address - we have an email distro started up to try to organize things a bit.

Coun't we do half stairs a day?

Around how long do the 7pm daily tourneys last? And the Sunday $330? Thx in advance

I never thought I'd be advocating running a cash game like the RIO does at WSOP time, given all the dealer issues in those games, but their system for handing out seats is not bad. When someone gets up the dealer hands a table slip to the floor, who takes it up to the front. Then when you are next up on the list they hand you that table slip and you go to the table. If someone has "jumped the seat" they get ejected. Not to say there are never any problems, but a pretty simple solution.

Limit Hold'Em is to NLH as Softball it to Baseball. It is really a social event and not meant to be competitive. There is little to no betting strategy or interpretation of action and you can draw to your hearts content without a worry in the world.

I would play LH when I neither wanted to lose or win any money.

Suggestions for staff:
-part of the reason the wait lists are so hard to manage is that there are always so many different types of games running, it's hard to call the next guy up for 2/2 PLO when he is already playing 5/10 and doesn't say anything when his name is called. I like that there are so many types of games and different stakes available but it has to be easier to manage with fewer options. Maybe we could get some kind of schedule going? I don't really know.....

-there should probably be a maximum number of times you can join a list in a given day, it is a little absurd to hear the same name called like ten times during my 8 hour session

-let's get some green tea, this is a pretty common request and it would be really easy to order

-some websites should probably be banned on the wifi

-when it is busy the podium should have clearly marked lines, one for registering and one for claiming your seat

Suggestions for players:
-instead of constantly complaining about the wait lists, be proactive. If you sit at a table and you're on the list for games you have no intention of playing, tell a floor to remove you from the list(s). When a new game is called show up to give a yes or no to that game when they call your name. Stop putting your name on the list over and over to jump around from table to table, I promise you, you'll never be on the best table in the room so don't bother trying. You'll get a seat for the game you want in a reasonable amount of time, so don't put your name on five lists, at least pick your top two.

-ffs buy your first buy in at the cage, this isn't rocket science. Buying purple or black chips for 2/5 does not count as buying your first buy in. While you're at it, buy some additional chips so that you don't have to get a chip runner every time someone sucks out on you.

-push pause on your phone/ipad while you're in a hand and follow the action

-doing equity calculation at a PLO table is not a good idea, write it down and do it later if you really wanna know

-a lot of the food both in and nearby the casino pretty much sucks, but Bobby's does make a good burger if you're in the mood

Wifi being out is a bummer...

It was a little spotty while I was there but certainly was working. Probably just because so many people are using it

thanks I see it is sketchy today.

When I played there, the waitress we had was very considerate of the players and waited until the person she was serving was out of a hand.

And, as others have said, you're all in - so what's the problem?

Which just goes to show how little you know about limit games. There is a lot more to properly, and profitably, playing them than what you are saying.

So you want a lot of games to choose from, without having them running?

Maybe it is different people with the same name? Some names are common, after all! Even not so common names like Lee are somewhat frequent.

In any case, how many times do you want to limit someone to putting their name on a list? 3, 4, 5? Some other number? Whatever number you choose, please do explain exactly why that number should be the magic one used, and also how this policy would be enforced! Thank you.

And ice tea, while we're at it. And then let's have everyone be able to specify what beverages they want, and supply them all!

Seriously, the poker room really doesn't control food and beverage.

Huh? Which ones, and why??

Why does one need a podium line for seat claiming? When called, just call out "lock it up" and approach a floor person. Why the need for going to the podium?

Phillip's Seafood sucks?? Cheesecake Factory sucks??

Since when?? And Phillip's can be ordered at the table!

You want poker room food that sucks? Get a sandwich at Caesars in A.C.! Now THAT'S sucky food!!

Lee

I said I don't know what the answer is, just pointing out that part of the problem is the huge variety of games.


I know of at least two players who are always on multiple lists, I know a few reasons for why they are doing it but I won't post about them here because I don't want anyone getting any ideas.
Not everything is black and white, some people are clearly abusing the system and they shouldn't be allowed to put their names on multiple lists all day long.

Which is why I said, "suggestions for staff" and not, "suggestions for poker room staff." The difference between supplying all different kinds of beverages and supplying one more type of very commonly requested hot tea should be pretty easy to understand.

Gambling websites, this one for example but also propokertools and others like it. You shouldn't be able to be looking up odds or strategy while at a table, that's why.

Ok, they don't have to go to the podium, but right now they are having people approach the podium to claim a seat. If they are going to keep it this way, they need a separate line.

I didn't specifically mention either of those places, but yes Phillip's does suck and has sucked for over a decade, it has been living off its reputation for ages. Cheesecake Factory has an endless menu of mediocrity, so yes, it also sucks. Good cheesecake though, damn good. Anyway, if you like the food than this wasn't directed at you, it was directed at everyone who has been complaining about the quality of food.

Haha, philips has sucked for a solid 30 years, since about the time they opened their second restaurant. Although the fish sandwich I had recently wasn't bad for comped poker room food.

Mike,
I have been hearing rumors about WPT & Heartland Poker Tour coming soon to MD Live. Needless to say i'm pretty excited about a tournament series where I can drive home at the end of the day and not stay in a hotel. I have a question....

Rumor has it that you will be using Rams Head, but if you have a big guarantee you are going to get over 1000 players for an opening event. I am just wondering if there is a banquet hall or what your plans are because you obviously can't take up the cash tables on a weekend. Thanks.

I think Mike mentioned that they briefly considered Rams Head for possible temp space for bigger tournaments. Not sure how many tables they could fit in the area.

Maybe another option could be to move some slots/tables games that are near the current poker room an host a larger tournament in that area. In theory, it would be a nice setup because you would have the cash room right near so as folks bust out tournament, they could just walk a few feet to play cash games.

I'm sure they would have to clear this with the state and it may not be possible given potential restrictions they would have to follow but its obvious they can't host larger poker events until they come up larger area to host them. My gut is Mike is more focused on getting the cash room rock solid than trying to figure out how to bring bigger poker events to the room. I think it will happen in due time but I think its a bit off in the distance until they figure out logistics.

Last night there was big drama at a neighboring table about what is to be considered a raise (50% above the current bet). That 50% was being discussed. The player, while a bit out of line, asked for two things which he was DENIED by two supervisors. First he asked to speak to the supervisors supervisor...whatever that might mean and he was told NO. Second, the player asked to see the written rules and was denied that as well. While perhaps there was no "supervisor's" supervisor at 2am, I am pretty sure providing players with the written rules is a maryland law. In either case, I too am curious, because there was even an unclear answer between the two supervisors who were chiming in about the ruling.

So here is the question, what is considered a raise in this poker room? In addition, what is considered the minimum re-raise? I have heard that a re-raise needs to at least be double the "original" raise. So if the first person bets 10 and the second reraises to 40, the third person could make it then the next person could make it 60, not 80. Since double the original is 20 and add 20 to the 40 and you get 60.

Or is it 50% of the previous raise. So again if someone bets 10, then a re raise can be 15, the next reraise would have to be 23...and so forth? I am confused.

I do see in the FAQ that is says a bet plus half again is a raise. I am just curious what bet it refers to...the previous or the original.

I don't think its 50% I thought it was double the raise.

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(referencing stimpy's post)

No. No no no.

In no limit, a raise must be at least the size of the previous bet or raise. So if there is a bet of 10, and a raise to 40 total (meaning the raise amount was 40-10=30), then the next raise must be at least 30 more, or 40+30=70.

The 50% rule means that, if you put in at least 50% of the amount of a raise, it is considered a min raise, and you have to continue adding chips until you get to the min. So if there was a bet of 10, and a raise to 40, if you then tried to put in 60, that is not enough for a minimum raise (which, as explained above, is 70). However, since you raised by 20, which is more than 50% of the minimum raise amount (30), you are forced to add another 10 to your raise to make it 70.

Or, if there was a bet of 10, and you put in 15, that is not enough for a minimum raise, which must be to 20. But since you raised by 5, which is 50% of the minimum raise amount, you are forced to put in another 5 and make it 20. If you had only put in 14 instead, this would not be enough to meet the 50% rule, so you are considered to have called the 10, and 4 is returned to you.

If a player is all in for less than the full amount of a raise, this is considered action only, and does not re-open the betting to anyone who does not already have that option. So if there is a bet of 10, a raise to 40, and you go all-in for 60 (which is not a full raise), the guy who bet 10 still has the option to re-raise (because he already had that option because of the original full raise to 40), but the guy who raised to 40 can only call the additional 20 (or fold). This is a common point of confusion, because in limit games there is a (different) 50% rule which would re-open the betting to the last raiser, but this rule does not apply in NL.

Just rumor. No substance right now



I'm very confused. You always have to raise at least the amount that was original bet/raised to reopen betting to a player that has acted. The rules here are no different here than anyplace else. But if a player bets $100 and the next player throws out $175, we MAY make him put in $25 more for a min raise. There are too many variables for me to give you a black and white answer. But both of your scenarios are incorrect as they are written. The raise from $10 to $40 is $30, so the next min raise is $70. If a player bets $10, the min raise is $20


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Mike

Mike, just to tag onto what you just said, you used the word original bet, but do you really mean the last bet? So again if the first to act makes it 10. The next person (if raising) has to make it at least 20. The next person could then make it 30, which is at least the amount of the ORIGINAL raise OR would the person have to make it 40 which would be the amount of the previous raise? Basically is it always AT LEAST double the previous raise is my question. So it could only be 10, 20, 40, 80, 160...

Using your scenario: if a player bets 10, the min raise is 20, when someone makes it 20 whats the next and the next min raises...that will answer my question. Thank you Sir.