Plenty of games running still.

Thx

The promotions fund is not there for your benefit. It is to increase business for the room.

So they make you stay an extra half hour to win your own money back in a drawing basically.

Or why is there 1 table running at 7am with no promotion and with promotions there are 3??

if they just put the money in a large bad beat id probably play a fixed number of hours but with a drawing i might stay an extra half hour or show up at 6am.

basically a lot of people keep harping on the promo budget thing, but just understand what it is. many casinos know how to use the fund to increase their business and how much rake is brought in and that's why they want to have it.

so saying you don't like how they use the fund is sort of pointless. alot of people count it as an extra dollar of rake. it really is not because you will get some of it back. however, if you are not willing to play weird hours or stay an extra hour for a drawing it probably costs you money but that is the whole point of the fund (its not to have promos to make the grinders happy - its to make people play more hours)

Thanks for the explanation Johnny, us grinders are in your debt.

Interesting perspective Johnny. You should work for the casino (if you don't already). In my opinion, that of a player, I can tell you I would rather see the bbj fund go for the bbj and maybe something else smaller to spread out, like a royal flush or aces cracked. Keep it SIMPLE. But put the $$ to use and not just sitting there.

I recently won the bbj and can tell you...very disappointing. I also have recently won a $200 tourney and that was more than the bbj. That really is bad.

The bbj should be $100,000+ with a royal flush of $10k. Take the "fund" from $325k+ to $215k+ and watch the room grow. I saw dealers go home early last week...hellooooooo The promos they have right now are not doing what they want them to do...so if its broke, fix it. Make the adjustment and get back to the basics...and that means a big bbj.

Borgata is running a $50k bbj and dropping it to AAA88. Even that would be better than what we have...does anyone remember the crowds when we had huge bbj's? There you go.

The only time there was "big crowds" was when they had the Christmas drawing thing and there were big crowds at 7AM. (of course they were giving away a lot of the saved money from the promo fund).

Simply look at how many tables are going at weird hours with the promos it tells you something.

You also cannot afford to have a 100k bbj all the time. it actually could break the promo fund (there would be a way to do it with quad 9s or better but you would probably have to start it at 100k and put in a reserve so that it could never go broke.)

Also, people on here look at how much money is in the fund and think its a huge number. However, one big promotion where they give away 1000 an hr cost the fund about 150k in a month. Its not that large a number when you consider how big the room is. If they want to have a big promotion they have to save some of the money. That is a good reason they should not have to post the number because many people don't understand what it means.

Like i said before the casino is giving back your money to you with the fund. So its kind of pointless. You are not going to get rich off of it. Sometimes there is a way to profit off it, (like playing weird hours or whatever) but for the most part its just a waste of time.

Johnny,

Is your room doing what is necessary to accommodate large MTT's like the circuit? Cinncinatti Horseshoe is kicking your (and everyone in Ohio's) ass.

I hear what you're saying Johnny, I just don't agree with it. Let's suppose your math is correct and they spend $150k per month on plinko, etc....I say, forget about that and use the $150k in a larger bbj and something smaller for a wider audience. Perhaps royal flush or aces cracked...even the high hand got better response that the plinko and spades promo's.

Whatever they do, they need to get the bbj back up to MUCH higher levels. It is embarrassingly low.

THAT is what draws crowds...do you ever play the lotto? Me too...but only when it gets HUGE....and trust me, I'm not alone.

Well yeah, but Cinci is 4 hrs a way from Cleveland so its not really relevant. Horseshoe has a monopoly on the Cleveland market for the most part.

Upper management at the Shoe (above poker room manager level) do not like poker and don't think its an important part of the business. Hence, they don't want to make a big investment to create the space to bring the circuit event or other series to Cleveland. The only reason any positive change has occurred (bigger comps - dealers keeping their own tips) is because the players complained enough and the current manager worked hard to get these changes. so we are even lucky to have these things.

If they don't care about poker then why did they work so hard to shut down Buckeye?
Letting the WSOP walk 2 years in a row is beyond ridiculous.

Now I agree with that 100% Johnny.

Weird my account poofed....

anyways, I'm heading out to Cleveland on business in a couple weeks and was wondering... has this place gotten any better? By the looks of this thread the place isn't very popular, and yet it has hour long waits, what gives? What is play like at 1/2 NL? Anything to be aware of such as local rules, spoken and unspoken? What are the players like? Mostly casual? Regs? Fish population?

Just wondering so I don't get burned if I end up heading out that way.

Coming down from Toronto for Easter weekend. Loved this place the last time I was here in Nov 13. Everyone was friendly, and lots of tables running (1/2 & 2/5)

basically its run just like every other casino at this point. if its a weekend evening you might have to wait otherwise you should get right in.

Bad beat hit this morning 26k jackpot

8pm on a Thursday evening - no 2/5 tables at all. They got one started soon after.

When I left at 1am - no 2/5 tables at all.

That 2k max BI really got that game poppin'.

Sadly Hollywood Cbus may be better...

Even more sadly a 5hr round trip just isn't in the cards this time I've heard a LOT of great things about the Hollywood in Columbus... after reading this thread on the Horseshoe in Cleveland tho... not so much.

The poker economy hasn't died in HC...slowed down, but alive and well.

I go with the theory that everyone is terrible until they show me otherwise.

Apparently they increased the price of alcohol recently? A double (and I use that term loosely) Jim Beam...which is out of the gun no less...will cost you $14 bucks. A bottle at the liquor store will cost you about $16-18. I also heard the parking charge last night was $50 for non players because of the game. Why not just make is a cool $100?

So I guess good customer service in the minds of casino management includes price gouging.

Of course, rich people don't get wealthy by being fair.

Ya most rich people get rich by putting a gun to your head and making you overpay for something you don't want.

Almost everything went up in price in the Diamond Lounge, they went up $1 each.

Upper management said it is because of the free food getting so expensive.

LOL at 10 day old pasta and terrible sandwiches getting expensive (lose the food and lower the prices back down please)

Rumor has it you will no longer be able to achieve diamond status on points earned playing poker at all Total Reward properties. This has been published nationally of course nobody in Cleveland has heard it yet.