51 people played in the first tourney today. A pretty good turnout since the dates were just announced 2 weeks ago and the weather was ****tty today. Paid 4 places with $1800something for 1st and $1100something for second. Lasted about 5 hours and 20 minutes.

im not from the area ( NY) im looking for somewhere to live/play in close proximity to nyc

i was wondering what the area around the casino is like? good or bad area?

why not play in ac? hammond/gary sucks to live in.

AC is a shythole also i thought the area might be better in IND

borgata is 100x nicer than horseshoe.
the east coast is nicer....

i'm from ny but go to school in il.

yup

Any idea of the structure?

The promo dollar costs someone who plays 4 or 5 days per week (8 hrs per day) about $400-$500 a month, whether they are a winning player or a losing player. Tell us again please, how that is not a factor?

Eighty-three hours doesn't even approach a reasonable trial run. The win rate you speak of indicates that you've already been a luckbox, and the fact that you even mention it tells me you're pretty new to the world of poker.

If you really are a pretty good player (and I stress IF), your $43 hourly win rate will absolutely, positively level off to about 1/3 of that as time goes by, and when it does, you might understand all the fuss about the extra promo dollar.

This structure is posted at the horseshoe web site. Under weekly tournaments, then to the right it says Click here for official tournament rules.

You're more than willing to state your comments but I'm not sure why some complaints keep dragging on about the promo dollar. You don't have to agree with it. It's not going to change, it's already decided to issue the $1500 seat to each tournament winner.

No one likes paying taxes but if you want the product you pay the tax and you deal with it. If the tax is to high you move to Canada... You don't have to like the way someone in charge does something but if you're given the opportunity to speak your mind on how to spend the money differently on future promotions, shouldn't you? Saying I don't like it, just stop taking it and complaining about something after it has been decided does no good. Coming up with future ideas on how to benefit "you" the player is what I would like to hear. Freerolls or the bad beat will not happen right away so any other suggestions are welcome.

I feel some of you just think hmmmm how can I complain about this now.....

Well, you're right about this. Complaining does little good unless the person you're complaining to either a). listens, and b). can do something about it.

A couple buddies and I were in Chicago a few weeks ago and on our way to your poker room. I player higher stakes, but my two buddies play lower stakes. We heard about the great room that opened up at Horseshoe and were on our way until learning about the SIX DOLLAR rake you charge at 10/20 and lower! Call the extra $1 a 'promotion' if you want, but it's still a $6 rake to my buddies. So we didn't complain. We just went to another room. $6 is nuts. You must have some real live ones to keep that going. Congrats.

Jeremy

No one is trying to to complain just to complain. At least I'm not. More than anything the people who have said something about the promos are expressing their honest feelings and want Harrah's to know they are not stupid.

My suggestion - Aces cracked win a rack(of $1 Chips), a promo for your slower days.

Hope this idea isn't Bah Humbugged!!!

Merry Christmas Everyone!

I listen (which is why I am here) and can do something about it. We are not going to change something though on a promotion that has already been decided. If you have been reading this post and the older one for awile, you would know that from this thread alone, it has contributed to changes and new ideas for the poker room.

You said you went to another room. I know it wasn't a poker room that had a lower rake because all the poker rooms around here have a $5 + $1 promo/bad beat.

I was recently suggested to voice my opinions to you RaiseIT

I have been a recent regular player in the 5-10 NL game. And w/out question the regulars there take advantage of the game/dealers/etc.

Bob L - Fat Pat - Serge - Jeff - Baker
to name just a few not only collude but greatly intimidate the dealers. The continuous discussions - during hands - has to stop.

Aside from JD and Jose - the floor who runs the high limit area is incompetent and more importantly offensive to deal with - they talk down to me like I am an idiot - refuse to listen to my issues - are stubborn and clearly not informed about the rules of the game.

And reading about Bob L playing a couple hands ahead of the $5100 promo is pathetic - no matter what the exact rule says.

I welcome your feedback - yet if you feel I am alone in my thinking here - I too, shall move on...

The seat into the $1500 tournament for weekly tournament winners is a great promotion. Thanks for that one.

Do you think people would compare this to the splash the pot promo that we had. Where you could only win it at certain times of the day when 90% of the people did not play.

To be honest, I'm not keeping up with this thread because I rarely play poker when in Chicago. I opened this thread because I know a player from Chicago and because I was (almost) just at the Shoe in Indiana.

I know nothing about your room and didn't mean to insinuate it is ran poorly. I have no idea how it's run. I'm just saying I wouldn't pay a $6 rake, and can't believe any serious 10/20 LHE player would either. Maybe 5/10 and lower stakes NL players don't know any better. That's why I said, congrats.

We wound up going to a room a little farther down the same highway as yours and started off playing $2NL, which you are right... There was a $5 rake with a $1 bad beat jackpot I think. But then we got a 10/20 LHE off and it was a $5 rake with zero bad beat drop. At least I'm pretty sure. I was a little drunk by then.

FYI if you do play 5-10NL or higher there is no promo drop and the pay time.

Jeremy

I did say your slower days - Not your slower hours. Your splash the pot was from 6AM til 11AM on Monday morning. Those hours are truly inconvenient for almost everyone. Probably 95% of the people found that time unacceptable.

I believe your slower days are Monday and Tuesday. Surely, some of your regular players would make an effort to come in on one or both of those days for the Aces cracked. I know I would come to play later in the day or early evening one of those days, but not at 6AM.

No. The splash pot promotion was the most brazen, ballsy, pathetic idea the Shoe has come up with yet; that we should spend our dollars to help the Shoe increase it's Monday morning business. How friggin' stupid too, to let the room's very first promotion pretty-much announce that the Shoe is all about the Shoe, and the customers will be treated as dunces.

You ask for suggestions, but I have yet to hear of a single one of them result in any change whatsoever. I don't know why we bother, but I'm not too busy these days, so I'll waste a little more of my time: The Horseshoe trying to run a promotion, is like a nymphomaniac trying to get laid in a gay bar, so ENOUGH WITH THESE "PROMOTIONS", period.

Many of the "nicer" poker rooms I've played in have no promotions whatsoever, so why does the Shoe, which seems to consider itself in that category, need one? Give us enough to eat on! Increase the total rewards card from $1 to $2. That would be a great promotion itself; a $5 rake with a $2 per hour kickback. We will be happy we can eat the buffet at a minimal out-of pocket cost, and management will save itself a lot of headaches. You said you welcome suggestions; there's mine.

My suggestion: Some kind of seven-deuce promotion where if a player wins a pot with 7-2 in his hand (he must use both cards) he gets 10 BBs or something (say, $20 at 1-2 NL), paid by the dealer.

Would create a lot of action.

What time of day do you usually play?

If you feel collusion is going on while you are playing why did you not bring it to my attention or one of the other managers while it is happening? How does the supervisor in high limit talk down to you? Most of the time all they do is take names and seat players.

What rule has come up in high limit that you have not agreed with that you felt they made the wrong ruling? Because if they did indeed make the wrong ruling I want to make sure they know the correct ruling. Consistency with floor calls is one of my number one concerns.

What do others think of this? Or just a flat $100.

How about a t-shirt that says "I won a pot at Horseshoe with 7-2" (and a picture of a Donkey on the back).....

I want that t-shirt! LOL I hope I don't spend too much to get it!

As long as you asked, I think both ideas suck. Thank you.