[QUOTE=coconuts;7531030] My point was that I have never seen this occur when you and I were at the same table.

The "lets pretend A.P. Keaton was talking about Rocco instead of me" joke wasn't funny the first time and even less so the second time.

Tourney Schedule = Less tension in this thread...


Just sayin, Jeremy.

coconuts

lol. seriously give it a rest you idiot.

[QUOTE=Raise It;7531689]

I've been there almost daily since the soft opening at the end of July, so I assume that makes me a regular, yet I have no recollection of me or anyone else I know being asked about this rule, but you said "to be honest," so that seals it for me.

I assume we're talking about the same poker room? Horseshoe Casino? Hammond IN? I don't mind. Better than having managment decide that the game isn't dropping enough rake - due in part to this stupid rule - and then raising it to compensate. One more dollar in rake, combined with the promo dollar, and Illinois players suddenly have a better deal back home west of the skyway. Can you spell "EXODUS?"
Yes, once or twice, compared to the dozens of times I've seen the undecided player apologize to the table for slowing the game, and then made a decision within a few seconds. This is actually a net gain for the house and dealers.

I gather you're simply trying to say "No, I will not take a table-to-table poll on this, even though it would only take a few minutes, and we will continue to do what we want to do around here." That's fine. You're the one who wears the suit. Thank you!

Getting back to the food issue


The candybowl is appreciated. YUM!!!!

It disappears fast too. I wonder how many times a day it needs to be refilled.

Thank you!

+1

The candy bowl is awesome. I love the Jolly Ranchers!!! Hehe.

I'll be there playing 1-2NL all day tomorrow.

Yep! Love those Jolly Ranchers too! Bursting with Bold Fruit Flavor.

I’ll be there too. 1/2NL game or 2/5NL game. Around 2PM!

I took a lot of heat for my posts on real food at the Shoe, and now we've got four in a row addressing the candy bowl. I'll make it five in a row: I think it's the worst, cheapest candy bowl I've ever seen in my life. All hard candy, and not a single piece that one can chew on. I think it's obvious that it's there solely for old people with no teeth, and you young guys should have enough respect for the elderly to stop raiding their bowl, and bring your own. For shame!

Alright, confirmed troll and d-bag. Please ban.

Wow you guyz are losers for debating the candy bowl

I think it courteous of them.

Btw the horseshoe is hands down the best casino in chicagoland area for poker.

Staff does awesome job as well. Cheers to Jeremy and the rest.

Agreed!

Jeremy -

Does the Shoe allow players to call "IWTSTH" and if so why, and what are your feelings of revoking this rule?

What troll? I know most folks around here are likely to gasp at even a hint of negativity regarding the Shoe or it's poker room, but now we have to like the candy bowl too?

I just don't understand why it seems that we in this area almost have an obligation to be in awe of the Horseshoe and it's poker room, or risk being lynched. I suppose for those that have never been exposed to casinos outside the Chicago area, the Shoe would seem like the eighth wonder of the world, but how about the more-traveled of us?

I'd like to take an informal poll of those who have done a little casino "traveling," to compare the Horseshoe casino itself (minus the poker room), to other casino's, and the poker room itself to other poker rooms they have been to. I'll go first:

Horseshoe casino minus the poker room: Sub-par on almost every level. Attractive enough at first glance, but that's where it ends. No hotel. Embarassing food options (other than the buffet and steakhouse). Restrooms in which automatic flushers working improperly are almost the norm, and with cheaply-made paper towel dispensers that leave the sink area in a habitual, watery mess. On a scale of 1-10, no more than a 5.

Poker room itself: Better than most, but with some room for improvement. The room is attractive and spacious, with generally short wait times, and a friendly, courteous staff. Dealer quality comparable to most rooms, with the usual mix of many good ones, and a few who are seriously mis-cast. No promotions or incentives other than the $1 per hour for food. The high hand "promotion" would be a promotion if the house paid for it, or added to it. As it is, with the players paying for all of it, it's just a forced lottery. All in all, on a scale of 1-10, I'd say 8.
Who's next!

This is just a re-tread of the same points you have made over and over again. Ban.

Vegas v. Horseshoe Hammond:

So I went to Vegas the weekend before Thanksgiving. I hadn't been there for two years, so I was looking forward to comparing the Vegas rooms to the Shoe Hammond. The first thing I noticed was that Vegas was pretty dead in general It really made me realize that our country is deep into a recession. Anyway, I played at all the major rooms: Bellagio, Venetian, Wynn, Mirage and Ceasars Palace. Here's my analysis:

The Venetian is amazing. I never played there before. This room definitely had more action than any other room in Vegas by far. They had a ton of good 1/2 and 2/5 games. They had 4/8 and 10/20 O8 (half kill), 2/5 PLO and 10/20 Limit. They had HORSE lists but I did not see any of the games going. They had a couple 5/10 or 10/20 NL games going, but other than that they did not have any ultra high stakes games that I saw. I played there on Sat and Sun afternoon. They had a free buffet and it was very good (pasta and chicken Sat, Fajitas on Sun -- with dessert both days). They also had waitresses from the different restaurants in the casino who would walk through the room and bring you a menu. If you ordered from them, they would pull a little table up for you. Excellent. They also had at least three masseuses from Canyon Spa Ranch who charged $2 a minute for a massage. If you were staying at the V, you could order room service and have it delivered to the poker room. There seemed to be an abundance of Brits there having a great time and gambling a lot (I thought Brits were good poker players - I was wrong). I played in their "Deep Stack Extravaganza" tournament and the structure was very good even for the smaller buy-ins: 7000 starting chips with 25 50 blinds and 30 minute levels. The cocktail waitresses were gorgeous and were only topped by the ones at Wynn. After spending two days in the V's poker room - I think they have it down to a science.

In all honesty, I think that the Shoe Hammond has all of the other rooms beat. First, it has more action at more limits than any of the other rooms I saw (I know the recession and the lack of tourists in Vegas has something to do with this). They even had more games than the Venetian. In terms of comps, I think every room in Vegas basically gives you $1 per hour in comps for poker play (unless you ask for something more -which they will probably give you in the current economic state). So in terms of comps, I think it's a draw between Vegas and the Shoe. The dealers on average are probably a little more friendly at the Shoe (less jaded), but a little faster in Vegas. I prefer a friendly, competent dealer to an old bitter dealer who is fast. In sum, I give the Shoe Hammond an 'A' and Venetian an 'A+."

Bellagio was dead. They had 2/5, 5/10 and 10/20 NL. 4/8, 15/30 and 30/60 Limit. It was half empty and there was just not a friendly feeling there. I heard they are now spreading 1/2 NL - something they have never done before. The floor was pretty rude as usual - they act like they are doing you a favor by putting you on a list.

Wynn was pretty dead too. I did like their 1/3 NL game w $3 chips and no cap. I also played a good 10/20 O8 game there. Played a decent afternoon tourney there that was well run with a good structure. The cocktail waitresses are very tall and thin and they look like models. They also bring you drinks fast and are very friendly. Man, if you could get faster cocktail service and hotter waitresses at the Shoe, it would be great (I know that's not gonna happen in Hammond Indiana).

CP sucked. 1/2 NL and 3/6 limit. It was empty except for the 7PM tourney which had a good structure but no players (everyone was at the Wynn).

Mirage was decent. I played 1/2 NL, 10/20 and 4/8 O8. Too many locals and tight players but the room was almost full.

In sum, the Venetian is amazing, I put the Shoe Hammond second, Wynn and Mirage tied for 3rd, Bellagio next and CP last. The only complaint I'll make about the Shoe that may actually be corrected is - get hotter cocktail waitresses and tell them to move faster. Otherwise, the Shoe's poker staff is doing a very good job.

Rocco: Any original thougts on how you rate the casino and poker room compared to others you've been to? Or are you just stuck on the "B" word. I've got some bad new for you: You and Cossines couldn't get a wet bar banned from an AA meeting. Give it up already.

[QUOTE=A.P. Keaton;7572245]Vegas v. Horseshoe Hammond:

Amen to this. Undoubtedly, the most unfriendly, rudest staff I've ever encountered in any business, much less a poker room. I crossed that sh*thole off my list a long time ago.

The hot ones can move as slow as they want around me.

BAN

Will they let you do business/run it twice and such in the higher stakes games?

Leave it to you to give my quote more air-time, for the sake of using the 3-letter word again. I like you, Cosines; you make me laugh.

By the way, have you ever been to a casino other than the Shoe, and maybe you'd like to share your comparisons with us, using words that have more than 3 letters in them? It would be a refreshing change from you, and we're all wondering if you can do it. Show us you can C. I'm betting on ya!

Great report. I completely agree with your assessment. I have played in all of the major poker rooms and the Venetian is my favorite. The Horseshoe is my second favorite.

Your douchiness is almost unbearable, coconuts....but I'll entertain you.

Yes, I've been to Vegas and played poker in multiple rooms. I played at Binions, Bellagio and one other one that I can't remember (though I'm pretty sure it wasn't the Venetian bc of the way it's been described itt). Actually, I don't remember much from the trip at all. It was college Spring break and I was 21.

From what I do remember, the Bellagio's room was very nice aesthetically. The desk-person was a twat to me, but that may or may not have been because I was stinking drunk when I walked up. Played for about 5 hours, then left bc some guy wouldnt stop berating me for flopping a set (lol).

I had a great time at Binions and they treated my buddy and I very nicely bc we probably kept a 2/5 game going through the night. We probably came off as donkish drunks, though we both turned a profit after the session. We were both comped steak dinners at the table and the waitresses literally brought us beer every 20-30 minutes w/o us even asking.

Overall, the service in Vegas was better. But it's F*cking Vegas. If it wasn't better, it'd be a crime. Vegas is the gambling capital of the world.

Dealers were also better overall in most aspects: Speed, accuracy (no misdeals), knowledge of rules, authoratative presence. There were definitely some as*holes though with terrible attitudes.

As far as games and action go, I went during a pretty busy time of the year so it's hard to compare. There were a decent amount of Spring breakers there and a lot of tourists in general.

The Horseshoe Hammond can and will improve. They're working on seating efficiency, waitress service and food options. Obviously, time will tell whether these things actually do improve. But it's important to remember that Jeremy can't just take $ and say "OK, lets build a snack bar, hire more waitresses and build a new check-in table". Yes, money is important in running a business coconuts. This fact is probably blowing your mind, so I'll give you some time to digest...



Jeremy is most likely given a budget and works with what he has. This room has been open less than a year, it will only get better.

- "Cossines"

Just wondering, A.P., if you've ever been to the Commerce in LA, and if so, where would it fit in your rankings?

Why C, I am so impressed (please tell me you didn't have someone write this for you). I actually agree with most of what you say here, especially about Vegas dealers being superior to ours with knowledge of rules, and an "authoritative presence" (I'll admit it, this last one flattened me).

As far "money being important in running a business," I just don't get that one; can you explain it again please? In return, I'll explain to you that I doubt Jeremy is given one red cent to purchase tissue when his nose runs, because he is a swing shift supervisor, not the poker room manager. That would be the invisible, galloping ghost...Jason. I've heard rumors of his sighting, but not anywhere near the poker room.

Thanks for your input. I won't request your ban just yet.