ac is only 17. all rooms in country give 17 for 1/2 (cet that is) there are so many benefits to not having dealers its crazy

Thanks.

john the big stacks are bigger there at 1/2 than anyplace ive been. 55hds an hr is so many more hands its insane.

we also get better perks from cherokee than any other casino with rooms and free play

You must win one or two pots a day.

8 hour session at 50h/hr = 400h, 10-15% hands won = 40-60 pots, assuming 80% are postflop tip worthy & assuming you never tip more than $1, that's $32-$48 per day you save from tipping. If 1/2NL was an $80/hr game then it wouldn't be a big deal, but given that no guy is earning even half that then it is a huge deal not having to tip a dealer.

Live cards will attract big money players, at 5/10 NL...Harrah's will never use live tables for 1/2. Tipping a dollar or two at 5/10 will make more sense. Live cards will add value to the cardroom without impacting the existing 1/2 games.

Don't say never. If live dealers are approved with legislature, my guess is that Harrah's will go to a completely hand-dealt room. I can't think of a room in a major casino where half the room is dealt live and the other half is on machines.

Because the PokerTec machines have been in place so long, maybe this won't be the case, but it will be strange if they don't switch completely over. It also makes it logistically easier when players switch tables or if tourneys are running, etc.

I have been told by management that the new poker room will feature 20 elec tables and maybe up to 2 live tables for the weekends to run a bigger game such as 5/10 NL (under the assumption that live cards will be approved soon).

Rumors aside, I can't imagine the casino wishing to make half as much rake per hour and having up to $50/hr of player money being tipped away by using all hand dealt tables for the 1/2 NL.

We have some time to worry about this anyway. Live cards won't see the felt for at least 9 months from now, and more likely in 2014 at the earliest because of the politics at work.

@both johns. when ppl such as myself drive 5hrs to the key 3x as many hands is a big deal when trying to book a win.

ive played in casinos with dealers where we were getting less than 20hds an hr.

i have the nut spot in the deck already. i was surprised last november when i had frosted windows when i got to the car but once i got under the covers i wasnt cold at all.

i havnt been to the new buffet yet. im still pissed they closed the food court next to the poker room. those dogs were the best value.

of course when i want to splurge i go get the bare bones cabin on other side of the mtn

Gas is a big part of the nut. The money coupons they send out help a lot to improve the bottom line. Just ask Mr. (R)eward (C)redit himself. Was the 2 week suspension lifted or is he banned for life? Were any colluders implicated?

Still has to pass the House, but the live dealer measure got through the Senate.

Let's hope it gets fast-tracked!!

http://www.wral.com/news/state/nccap...tory/11110213/

Why? Why on earth would any rational, literate person want this to be fast tracked?

The arguments against this have been laid out. There are in the area of 10 solid reasons why live dealers are worse than the current setup with the trump-reason being that a good poker player makes less money with live dealers. I really would like someone to give actual reasoning behind why anyone would want this to be fast tracked.

Red, I think you should tell those of us who aren't in the know about who was suspended and what the allegations and evidence was if it does pertain to colluding. I would warn you to seek shelter if a tornado was going to hit the bee hive.

It was not poker collusion. Someone was offering to cash in other people's reward coupons. He had begun to ask people he didn't know and someone turned him in. Not a good idea to try to scam the only casino within driving distance.

There is no collusion at the poker tables in Cherokee. Although I see plenty of twitches, scratches, itches, card twirling, ear pulling, finger signs, and other odd bodily movements, I am convinced that the electronic poker is as uncolludable as poker with cards. I think that it is safe to say that it is safe to play the pokers at Harrah's Cherokee Smoky Mountain Casino. That said, it could happen, but to what end and purpose? Please forget what is said about acton flops and software. If the people that make these references have doubts, why do they continue to play. Oh, yeah, it's the only game in town.

The collusion that I refer to involves Express Play™Coupons. A certain person is said to have been collecting coupons from other casino patrons along with a player's card and getting the cash on dates that the rightful owners were not present. A deal was made and the cash split. My reference to collusion is that the owners of the coupons and the player's cards are colluders in that they are part of the scam and profiting as well as the instigator. As they say, it takes two to tango.

As far as naming names: no. Un-named suspect was suspended / banned for two weeks with a hearing to be held later to determine if the banning was to be permanent. I have not heard a thing as far as this goes.

That is what is alleged. I have no proof or evidence. I cannot state with veracity that any of this has occurred. As far as I know, it is simply rumor, but from the number of times I have heard it, and the sources that it has come from, I find it highly believable. I have only heard from poker players. No member of the Harrah's staff will talk about it.

Flash, I do appreciate that you would give me a tornado warning if troublesome weather was about to hit Bee Hive. We would immediately go underground upon your call--a lot like what happens when you raise at the poker table.


red

Good it's not allowed anyway.

does anybody here know how many points we get for the craps game at the key?

Quick reminder. Per the guidelines here...

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Thanks for your comment. Most Cherokee players know who it is anyway.

What craps game and what is the key? If it is the bank of 5 craps machines, don't bother--your money is better lost at the poker table.

im not sure. i didnt see it a friend of mine did. i have seen other threads that talked about a machine with dice in a bubble. ( kinda like that board game trouble)

i havnt looked before as i only play poker. but when games are slow might look for other ways to at least grind points.

Definitely some soft play from regs in the PLO game last Saturday. Checking down hands to the river, each telling the other what they had. I came close to saying something but i felt it was not in my best interest. Want the game to stay friendly and I didn't think either player was very good, one in particular. They didn't seem to purposely try to bet another player out of the hand and then check it down. But anytime they were heads up, it always went check, check to river.

I would like to see them still play the game aggressively against each other. One is a donator in the game and I would like to see him with a larger stack and the other player gets more aggressive and more on tilt as he gets stuck.

Those two always check it down if heads up but do not bet others out of a pot in hopes of getting heads up. It's almost always made hand versus very good draw or better rather than semi-bluffs (usually a top set or nut flush wins it).

They are buddies and supposedly always check it down with each other for many many years. I understand where you're coming from but I assure you they don't play the PLO game with dishonorable intent. Also, both have exploitable PLO leaks if you are good enough to identify them.

Yea, I agree. That's why I didn't say anything.

My ankle bracelet is finally off, I am out of a two week alky rehab, the Wagoneer is running, and Mama has left town. Now I can get out on the week-ends and I visited Cherokee Sunday.

Rumors...

Legislature will vote May 23. Might be a close vote. Keep your fingers crossed.

Ruth's Chris is serving. Food said to be good. Prices said to be high. Huge waiting and serving staff. First class all the way. I am saving my RCs for a meal there sometime in July.

Mentioned in a previous post about the coupon scam. It is reported that the perpetrator received a one year ban from Harrah's properties. Per Harrah's personnel.

No $2-$5 game this week-end.

Omaha ran Saturday and had a waiting list until around one a.m. The usual maniacs were present. Lots of $1000+ stacks, several $2000+ stacks, soft play, limping, new meat, er, faces, and fish, er, donators. Understand that it was quite a game, as usual.

Seems that a lot of the young regs are still grinding out a living. Same to be said about the older regs. There are a lot of good players in Cherokee right now. Where are the tourists?

I will be there Wednesday for the PLO tourny.