Yes, but only in the 6/12 Limit O8 game that runs Wednesday, Friday and Saturday. After playing LO8 in Cincy with $2 chips and in Vegas with $1 chips, playing with the $2 chips is so much better...

I'm not there for fun or recreation, I'm there to play a poker tournament and make money. Going from 200-400 to 400-800 is a HUGE deal. If they wanted to make it a turbo that's fine, but advertise it as such.

As far as the dealers go... I am friends with most of them and most of them do a fantastic job. However, having dealers in a tournament that plays so poorly wasting 5+ mins trying to figure out what is going on because they can't control the action isn't acceptable. If it were new dealers it'd be understandable, but it's some of the ones who have been there since day 1.

I agree about the structure. I've just accepted that if I play one its for recreational purposes (and I have made the final table both times I played, cashed one).

I think the dealers generally do a very nice job and it is a tough job dealing with inane conversations all day and the occasional smile. That said, they could always do something else

They have still been running the tourneys for only a month or so, and I'm sure they will be clockwork in no time at all.

It's a double edged sword really. Would you want to play in a faster tournament with 80-90 runners and a larger prize pool or a slower structure with 50-60 players and a smaller prize pool because some people don't want to or can't play until 3am on a weekday when they have to work in the morning. Depending on chops there are nights now where it doesn't end until after midnight or 1am. And remember that alot of the fish/dead money are those who might not play until 3am.

How are the PLO games going these days? Pick back up after WSOP?

it is what it is, it's a low stakes nightly tournament, if you expect it to be anything more, you'll be disappointed.

It's the micros


Edit: and if you aren't playing nightly tournaments for fun or recreation, and solely to make money, then just work part time at Walgreens, because 0% chance you or any other person who plays those tournaments regularly is beating the game for more than what you could make at Walgreens

that might be the best post I ever seen!

Stronger than ever. The big game is now 10/25, lately it's been running every Monday, Wednesday and Friday, and sometimes on Saturday. On Wednesday and Friday there will be a 5/10 as well, sometimes on Monday. 1/2 runs almost everyday, although not always on Sunday or Tuesday. Sometimes the big game will be half PLO/half NLH.

Are a lot of the reg's in the 10/25 game from Chicago area? I used to play that game in Hammond but have been out traveling and from what I've seen in Hammond, that game died out hardcore. Might have to start making trips to Cinci from the west coast to get my high stakes live PLO fix. =(

There's only one reg in our game that I know of who used to be a reg in the Hammond game. It's mostly people from Cincy/Louisville/Indy/Columbus. We've only been playing 10/25 for a month or so; I'm not sure it's really sustainable here, especially running 3-4 times a week. The issue some regs have with the 5/10 is that it has a 2k cap and they get annoyed when the game's been open a while, there are several 10k stacks, and they can only rebuy for 2k when they get felted. I think a better long term solution would be to either raise the 5/10 cap (or eliminate it entirely) or institute some type of big stack rule.

There's a 10/20 in San Diego most days fwiw

Booked to be there whole WSOPC, very excited.

Nice article on the WSOPc:

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/2...d-Series-Poker

What are the board's thoughts on WSOP impact on the daily action at the cash tables and smaller tournaments? My guess is the quality of player the WSOP attracts may be higher than the normal crowd at the Shoe. It will probably be more crowded as players bust out as well.

Just curious...

My general philosophy is the more action, the better. Yeah, I'm sure they'll be some good pros and full time circuit grinders but these things also attract tons of recreational players who only get out a few times year to play in events like these. Having played in a number of these before I can tell you the fields are usually soft and the action in the cash games is great. Also keep in mind that while there are some players who are great at both tournaments and cash games there are a lot who specialize in one and aren't so great at the other.

My only real concern is them running out of tables for cash games. There's normally 25-27 of the 31 tables in action on a normal Friday or Saturday night so with the WSOP in town I'm sure the room will fill up early on the weekend and there will be long waitlists by night. I imagine the midweek action will be similar to that of a normal Friday night; the general manager of the casino said as much in the article I linked above. The good news is they'll be plenty of dealers as the room is currently overstaffed and they're bringing in circuit dealers for the events themselves. The only limiting factor should be the number of tables, unlike Hollywood where there would often be 100+ people waiting to play, empty cash game tables galore, but no one to deal.

awesome, thanks for the color!

0% chance? That seems accurate. Not that it has anything to do with the structure being terrible, but it is entirely possible to beat $100 donk fests at the casino for a good amount more than a job @ Walgreens.

But, back to what we're talking about:

I agree with the above poster about it being a double edged sword, but it would make a lot more sense to just make it a turbo structure instead of a normal structure that turns into a turbo half way through. Obviously people work and can't play all night (at least the people we want to be playing), but they can decrease the blind levels and starting stacks and have a normal structure and accomplish the same thing as they are trying to do by skipping levels.

I don't see the logic to advertise 20 min blind levels and 6k starting stacks to make the structure look great and then just skip levels randomly. The recs don't care what the structure is because they don't expect to win any way. It's entertainment. Bottom line is, if you want the tournament to be a turbo structure it to be a turbo.

Ya, idc, believe what you want, how would I ever know what I'm talking about. People believed Duncan played poker for a living, and the other day crazy mark told me he made 6k in 6 days, I'm sure some people would believe that too

Wont the floor and other players turn a blind eye to the cap at that point? Pretty common in a lot of areas for the caps to subtly go away as the game progresses through the evening.

I am moving to the Cinci area this winter and have been watching Bravo in awe of these PLO games and was wondering about the sustainability of those 10-25 games myself. W/o yet setting foot in that casino I like your idea about raising or eliminating the cap on the 5-10 to keep the games going.

Come to think about it, I have never played a PLO game 5-10 or bigger that had any cap at all.

10/25 will not last, I see 5-10 the game for the future with a 20 or 25 straddle.

The floor guys are pretty cool and most seem to understand that strict adherence to every last rule isn't always in the best interest of the games and the room. If all the players agreed to it I'm sure they'd look the other way but I know there are at least a few regs that are in favor of the cap and want it enforced.

Tom, I'm assuming the 10/25 is no cap? Is there a day where it is more likely to play half PLO/NL?

I agree with you that 10/25 probably isn't sustainable for the long haul. I think a big stack rule @ 5/10 and up would be a solid move. I've been on both sides of the coin when it comes to the max buy in, but I don't think an unlimited buy in would be a good thing.

10/25 is no cap. The PLO/NL is a recent development. It revolves around one certain player who used to only play NLH but is now giving PLO a try. If he's there we'll play half&half, if not it will be strictly PLO. It's hard to say when he'll show up, he's been here four times or so in the last couple weeks but he's also been known to disappear for a few months at times. My guess is he'll eventually have a really bad session, go away for a while, and we'll be back to just PLO all the time.

Oh, so the '10/25 NL/PL' listing on the bravo is actually PLO/ NLHE?

Right.