A good blog post about how ******ed "deep stack tournament" promotions are http://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poke...t_from=&ucat=& Matt Savage has also done some pretty awesome posts about this on the board before.

A better deeper structure would be less chips early on with people busting faster early, but adding a few levels deeper into the tournament adding deeper play when the money counts. 100 dollar events should have more luck early on and deeper play and skill later when it counts. Having 25k-50k-100k starting stacks is silly. 5k can play much deeper, thats what I'd like to see in these bigger buyin tournaments.

One of the reasons I always preferred the greektown tournaments over the charity rooms was the antes. I always felt that play was slightly deeper because of it, and made the pots worth while. When average stack gets to around 7-12bb near the money, stealing that 2-2.5BB in antes is a huge deal

The only difference between a 30 dollar charity tournament and 100 dollar one is that you might get an hour or two extra of meaningless poker early on in the 100 dollar one. Eventually in these 100 person fields when you get down to 50-60 runners it turns into the same tournament no matter what you paid for.

Disagree, if they can collect rake and such, then they can collect antes. Its as easy as not flinging tickets until everyone has a chip in front of them, a simple procedure. If they can do it at the daily tournaments in Vegas, then I have faith it can be done here.

Hell copy this structure for a 100 dollar http://www.allvegaspoker.com/tourn_detail_87.html

Run it on a sunday at noon and it would be a huge improvement, be done at 7 or at the latest 9.

@Atarirob any good poker books on lo8/plo8? One of the reasons i stay away from non holdem games is due to lack of study material. The times i have played lo8, i feel i am playing way too nitty.

Also where are there consistent lo8/plo8 games?

antes play in live tourneys all the time.................................. it'll be fine.

I've been on a vacation from playing since the last week of August, but this is where the games where at.
Greektown on Tuesdays and Saturdays they run a 5-10 limit with a full kill. Variance alot higher playing limit omaha, but you have a pretty clue where everyone is at...oh yah average age of the people playing is about 60 years old.

We've had PLO8 games go on every so often at Snookers on the weekend with so-so success. Sometimes they promote the game on the microphone, sometimes they don't.

Wednesday at Pampa there was a steady and juicy PLO8 game that plays 1-3. You always have at least two people who walk into the game who are clueless on how the low works, and you have one guy who just flat out loves to gamble. He tells you straight up "I'm not good and I like to gamble, I just want to have fun talking and BSing" Rick The Friendly Bastard, great guy and fun to have around. Yah the room is a dump, but it was worth while to play. I really hope we could get something going on the weekend in a new room where there is foot traffic.

As far as books go I have no clue, I think SuperSystem 2 had a section on it, and I'm sure there are others. I know DeucesCracked had just a handful of videos on PLO8 that were good and helped a little. I learned a lot from just playing over the years, and mostly from just watching and talking to people like suiteddeuces and sevup. I don't consider myself good at all, but if you have any card sense you'll figure out why shoving in 60-200bb with a naked AAxx on a 56KT double suited board is bad. Yet I've seen this auto worker go broke at least 5-6 times doing this.

Cool. Maybe ill hit up the lo8 at greektown one of these saturdays. Since the avg age is 60, I am guessing it runs morning/early afternoon?

It used to be you had to be there at frickin' 6am. I would get there around that time and would leave around 4-5pm and they would still be going strong and usually with a second table.

edit: on my post about Cadas Room opening. Omaha8A2 is right as usual and it seems they're having a delay with the liquor license.

lol

Awesome, you guys have a pretty good buzz going.

Booked if no rake, and 2-5 plo cash HU... (maybe bigger)

Or 700 him to 300 me if its a freeze out tourny, not going to pay 20 percent to a charity to play anyone besides god. especially if he owns the joint and gets 50 percent of the rake, minus 3 bucks an hr for dealers.

That would be 500 plus 500 so 1k total pot minus rake 20 percent, so really 500 to win 300 is not in my plans any time soon, it is on the stupid route, I'll take the detour and pass if thats how its set up....

No disrespect but I play poker for money not to be a raked to death... And if you say its for charity or play with Cada well I say that sucks for the charity and for Cada bc thats to much rake for HU. But I would pay 25 in rake total or 15 an hr for a HU seat, because it can take a long time (like 1 hr) or last 1 min,

But really HU PLO 2-5 500 max cash reload any time and maybe bigger depends how things are set up there!!!

I'll escrow to be first, and have a date and time set up.... But if Cada is a no show or he is late I have terms also 1k for a no show, 500 for being late even one min and 500 more for 5 mins late which is a no show

Its a long drive, I am not really a poker player fan don't give 2 chits who I play. I play for money and happen to love HU PLO!!!

Cross posted this on his facebook page... lmao I got deleted hmm seems bax and sheets didn't approve this HU session that the OP post huh... One word "Coward"!!!

So I guess HU is off for anyone who won't or don't wanna pay Joe Cada a free 100 to play HU. I will make the same offer to anyone on 2+2 to play HU, I will take 100 off your buy-in back in my pocket then play a 500 freeze out. Your 500 vrs my 300 lmfao plus the charity 100, you just failed your marketing effort on 2+2, I think people here are smarter then that stop posting your rake monster here, and just shut the doors on that room, and your 5 to 3 scam!!!

People want value for there money, they work hard for it and deserve it. Hope your room and bar fail like the bar before that!!! Also let Cada know when he lets people run his FB/2+2 or any other accounts they are accomplished in poker and have a degree in public relations or Social Science at the minimum !!! Other wise it makes him look really stupid.

Sorry to rant but tired of fake posters, lackey ratards (I know Its spelled wrong) doing the middle work for scamers, cheap employers, or cheats.

If anyone plays him 500 vrs 300 they are either ratards (above I can spell) or have to much money and not enough sense.

On the last note, Mods this is not in Detroit area regional thread material which is Wayne county... Sterling Heights is in Macomb Township Mi. Which is not Detroit or Wayne County area So I believe A ban hammer is needed since I have posted things not about Detroit exclusively and got an infraction and my post pulled!!!

So I said good day sir, and good luck on failing!!!

Also its not proper to try and cheat people right out the door, profits are a long run haul, and maximising your short run profits seems to make sense until people catch on to your hustle and move on and you go bankrupt.

So is Cada an actual owner? If so, he can't play in the room.

I was thinking the same thing...

A little off the subject.... I went to Electric Stick in Westland at about 8:30 PM last night. On a Tuesday night their tournament was over 100 people! Looked >100 as there was about 12 tables going for tournament. As usual tourney starts at 7pm. I couldnt believe how many people were in it. Looked as if it ended around 1am. The structure may not be perfect, but the prize pool is. Just wanted to let everyone know about it.

Also, the cash game last night was solid. Unfortunately they don't start cash until 8:30 because most of the time the tourney players play cash to win their tournament buyin back. Also worth noting is there are short buyers, but they are reallyyyy bad... Most of the time they will rebuy continuously, and by the end of the night there are deep stacks. Sometimes you have idiots who can't read the board, other times you have idiots who are nits... So like I said, cash is usually good, but hit or miss and at times shortstacked. Last nights game was an exception at my table, table was GREAT.

What's cool is if you have the itch to play a tourney on a weekday, it has the pool neccessary to get a big win. Also, you don't have to make a special trip out to just play cash. You can just check out the action and decide for yourself whether you think the game is good or while playing the tourney first.

Actually I was thinking much worse.

Jeff Hwang's PLO book has a chapter on PLO8. Not a lot written on O8 recently, which is partly why people play so bad.

There are a few books out there, Bill Boston has a couple but I believe the best one(s) are written by Mike Cappelletti

Thanks, I'm going to check them out!

UMMMM yea???? I live in the Detroit Area and since Snookers and Cadas Room is in the Area TO WHERE I CAN DRIVE, i like hearing about poker rooms that are relevant to me an other people who are interested in them.
Sounds to me like you are making This whole situation personal. If you don't want to play at Cadas room then fine. I think it would be different if you actually played there stated the things you did not like about the room. That would be fair. but to go on about a room that has not even opened yet seems kind of silly.

I don't like paying high rake, But i also know that i have made more final tables at snookers then i haven't. And if i don't make a final table there is always cash. It doesn't matter where you play tournaments. One way or another you will be screwed in some sort of manner. It might be having to pay for Gas, Hotel or the absurd amount of rake that is taken out. Also it could be in the form of Super fast blind structures.

Not that i am really close to JohnnyBax or Sheets, They do however know who i am. Not sure why they where brought into the post. Or why they would have to approve of anything.

I am willing to give Cadas place a chance. I heard alot of Rumors it was in his fathers name, OR his father was part owner or something. This is all of course speculation. I suggest you giving the place a chance as well.

lol you heard it from me earlier in the thread and it's correct, joe is not an owner. from the sounds of it, it has a great chance to become the next big poker room. the name alone will attract people, and if it's well ran i don't see why people wouldn't come.

Hwangs book does have a large section on limit o8

So heading out there tomorrow. Guess there is no place to play plo8, but are there regular plo high games in the Detriot/Ann Arbor that I could easily find?

Looking to play either friday night around 9 or the same time Saturday.

How much time should it take me to get from the DTW airport to Ann Anbor, and about how much time from Ann Arbor to the poker room that spreads plo

caesars windsor spreads 1-300 plo fri/sat evenings

No just tilted 2+2 deleted my post about me buying someone a dinner at MCC for writing up a long post and posting a screen shot of what happened about them stealing 450-900 from me, and then 2+2 mod gave me an infraction.

So I was just writing to flame on the mod and 2+2 bc technically its not detriot regional, which neither was my post, but had to do with detriot area people..

It has nothing to do with the room. Just me ranting like a 12 year old my bad its easy to get mad about things that have nothing to do with each other and acting like a D*ck Head...

Just tilted about something else, and drank a few to many.