It's not like the 20-30 tables running in Blackhawk on a weekend night outside of the 30/60 tables are surviving the rake. An O8 game might serve better at a $5 rake (no BBJ drop)

PM or forum email should work. I'm not coaching, but there is a WSOP LHE champion posting ITT.


I'm guessing some playing made their roll online and others can afford 30/60 buyins. There has never been a ladder in BH where you could play up to a game that big.


Maybe. They don't seem to agree. Having the biggest game in town made that room. Could be they don't want to dilute it. I've never heard their side.

+1. I know the management at the Isle were really open to new games at one point. Make it appointment poker somewhere, see if it happens.

The game running and people making enough to play the 30 are two different things. The games go because people are willing to lose. I'm sure some people make decent money at 2/5, right? If you're suggesting starting 10/20 & 20/40 to create a ladder to the 30 game, I'm saying I can't see many people beating the 10 game for enough to build a roll.

Sadly, the easiest way to get in the 30 is to have a day job that lets you afford to buy in. Or you can use your FTP remission. Or you can be a high stakes crusher like DrOlson.

2/5-100 is the feeder for 30/60, it's possible to build a decent roll there as a springboard for 30/60. Not just saying that, I did it. As others have said, 10/20 or 20/40 ain't gonna happen at Ameristar.

You're almost certainly right here but why is this an issue for you? Some of the losing players have day jobs as a backstop. Some people just disappear, others play 2/5-100. A drop in stakes to 15/30 would be a bigger ego blow than "changing games" to 2/5 or simply quitting.

Just reiterating what several have already said: no need to foster new players, that pool is already big enough to support 4-5 games on the weekend, and all of the tables are filled anyway.

Now this I could see running and would sometimes participate in! Did you start that list on Saturday? I know some others who would be interested if the stakes were higher. Not sure how much the 5-100 would interfere, I didn't recognize a single person playing that game on Saturday.

Not to me.

Don't get me wrong, I would love a different limit to surface. I don't have the roll for 30/60 and wouldn't bother with 4/8. Anything from 10/20-20/40 would be nice, however, it's pretty clear that it's never happening. There is not demand for it. Plain and simple. Demand isn't a couple people at 4/8 saying they would play. Demand is 30-40+ people who will actually play, not just people who say they will play. I see a lot of people at 1/2 or 2/5 claim they are finally got to take that shot at 30/60. They get up, put their name on the list, then finally.. "Joe A. for 30/60" ... then they look at the floor and shake their head "No".

Just look at want happened when the Isle tried that 1/2 PLO game on Fridays. First few weeks were good. Full main game, full must-move, long list. Then a couple weeks later it was only one game. Then eventually the one game wouldn't even fill. Finally, just a few months after it started, it was over. No more PLO.

Edit - I believe the last time a 10/20 game ran was at the Lodge 1-2 years ago and it was because people in this thread organized it on a certain day and time. It ran that day and hasn't since.

For a game (any game) to exist it has to appeal to casual players or be forced down their throat. I haven't stepped foot in Colorado since they did away with a $5 limit, but this applies anywhere; who is going to bring the money to the game?

I think a game could get off the ground if:
-a core group of players gets it off daily. Aka getting on list and actually playing. Sounds counter-intuitive but don't play another game while you wait, that takes away some of the rooms incentive to start the game.
-the stakes were far enough from 30/60 that it wouldn't interfere with their game, but big enough to get the 30 players while they are waiting or running bad, and some 4/8 players taking shots.

Fwiw I think 15/30 is the best chance.

15/30 with a 10-15 blind structure is a beautiful game.

Very good red chip game structure.

Not sure about possible WR with a $7 rake. Has to be something, but the last time I played 15 was at the Bellagio with a $3 rake. The extra 4 per pot seems big, and the 10 for SB means your vpip isn't going to be low.

Definitely beatable. I wish 30/60 was $10 chips and 2/3 blinds that would be great!

They were offering like $10 an hour in comps too or something ridiculous like that. Although time flies, that was more like 3 or 4 years ago at this point I think.

Ya I remember the $10/hr comps and $40 rooms at Lodge. That was incredible.

The Isle did some similar promotion plus low rake. Free food plus free room for enough hours? Low rake. There's a reason why people are skeptical about getting games going.

Yep my experience is nothing overcomes simply having a lot of games to offer daily. The action trumps all.

Good luck 2+2ers playing the CPC series. I'll be going up today to play Event 11 and will probably do a couple more next week. gl and gogogo!

Haven't been up in a few weeks. BBJ's @ Ameristar stilll 8 billion dollars? Doesn't look like Bravo's been updated since it was 480k in late July.

460k, 450k, 302k

Nice... thanks mutt.

Bottom tier increasing at about $70K per week.

Anyone at A* now (5 PM on Friday)? Bravo says 5 on the list for 15-30 O8...

Any (known) reason why they're capping the primary @ 460 versus letting it ride until it hits? C'mon... we need another 700k BBJ.

That's what they always do though. Let the backups build up.

If we get to 460/460/460 **** could get interesting from there

BBJ just hit at Ameristar. Not my table...

Both flopped sets. Turn have him quad 4s, river gave him quad 9's.

The roar was pretty cool. 2nd tier is still $450k

Was it at another 30/60 at least? hopefully......

Ha, nope. 1-2...

Hey all,

Will be in Denver in for the Chiefs game. Gonna stay for a couple weeks. Shout out if anyone is going to the game or has any suggestions for other recreation.

I'll rent a car and am basically a sober, hiking, chilling, enjoys long walks on the beach guy.

Questions:

Would I be missing out on a lot (e.g. good value tournies or better game selections) if I just went to the Ameristar every time I played?

Is there a decent home game scene for 2/5 nl or 1/2?

Thanks