It's a state law, there's no way around it.

Just be glad it's not 2009.

is the 2-5 omaha game that runs at ameristar limit or 100max? i was looking on bravo earlier and noticed it said 2-5 limit omaha hi-low. or was that just an error?

2/5-100max Omaha Hi/Lo

Someone threw out the idea that the 30/60 game is beatable even with the rake. I would just like to preface that notion with a few caveats. I don't believe the game is really that beatable all the time. 1.) There seems to be a lot of collusion, team play and bankroll sharing. It is very difficult to discern who is playing with who, who is sharing bankrolls outside the table. It is very common from my time at 30/60 and it made the game almost unplayable. It is very difficult to pick up on right away. It took me quite a few sessions to put together some of the **** going on. 2.) The rake is high. 3.) Tons of people sit out and just wait for table changes. This makes the game very difficult to play sometimes with all the ****ing people just waiting for the main game. 4.) Some of the lineups, when they are legit, are actually difficult as ****. Some of the regs that are weaker are no pushovers and the pros that are grinding that game know the game well. Without a significant investment and a ton of hours into the game I don't really think it would be that beatable. If you get an inside scoop on who the worse players are/who is playing together I think you could hit it a few times a week and make some money.

I was able to make a decent hourly playing the 2/5 with some aggressive table changes. Without doing that, because the rake is so high, and there is the 100 max bet, I don't think the game is beatable for much more than 10-15 an hour. I think you can squeak out 20+ with the table changes and table selection.

What's the drop on the 30/60?

5+2

Just curious how hours/sessions you have at this game to have such great insight?

1. The collusion that I see is all of the "soft" variety, that is raising somebody out on the flop and then checking it down. I guarantee you anybody in the game that does this is a losing player. Although there have been long-standing rumors of team play, I don't believe this still happens, at least not for the past 2.5 years. I can't speak to bankroll sharing other than who cares?

2. This I agree with.

3. Second man walking only gets 15 minutes, so you often play 7 or 8 handed. This works out okay too, often the main games are way tougher than the must-moves (but not always).

4. Try to stay out the way of the middle-aged white guys and you'll be fine

Finally, the 2/5-100 is as soft as any 2/5 NL you'll find anywhere, the $100 max bet rarely comes into play (see at least half a dozen posts from DougL on this topic), and I know of several people who beat that game for much more than $20/hr.

Rumor has it a frequent poster ITT regularly crushes this game.

Does anyone know if they're getting any decent numbers for the colo open at the Rose? Don't want to drive down for one or two tables.

Would anyone be interested in playing one of the games below? I was thinking of trying to get a game going at either the Lodge or Ameristar, preferably the Lodge. Friday or Saturday late afternoon/early evening start time.

Please post a reply if you're interested and your preferred game/limit. I'm tired of the same old games being spread in blackhawk and I hope you are too!

8/16 or 10/20 limit hold'em
8/16 or 10/20 stud hi/low
8/16 or 10/20 razz
8/16 or 1/2 spread limit crazy pineapple
8/16 or 10/20 dealers choice

Doug to quickly respond to your post, many places get bigger games without insane 7 dollar rake.
east coast, parx you can play 150/300+ on tues, borg fri-sun md live has 75 lhe on fri and 50 sun/mon usually
commerce/la/vegas you get way bigger lhe consistently. commerce 2/400 has been running v freq last 12 months, 1/200 daily. bay 80 daily. vegas bellagio 40 mix or lhe everyday. during wsop with a few lhe funplayers you'll get 1/200-6/1200 if the right guy that vpips 70+ feels like dumping

Regardless, look forward to meeting you regs in a couple months time after wsop

I think you're making my point. LA? Yes. (think I mentioned "outside of LA and SFO" ) On the entire freaking East Coast? By appointment games, one or two days a week at each location. ZOMG_Rigged posts on the LHE forum and plays whatever at the Bellagio -- if the 40 going off several days in a row is cause for celebration? Sure, 6 weeks of WSOP everything changes. So sure, there are 5-10 places in the country that get games as big or bigger than the Ameristar. Even in those places, not every day and 50 weeks a year. Our local game goes every day, and is somewhat rare in modern America. Compared to the sizes of cities on your list, is there even enough money here so support a 200/400 game? Personally, I doubt you could get enough money to drive up the hill to play much larger.
Don't they take the 7th dollar on the river in LA? Think it has been 6+1 for the last two years. You can't beat the Bellagio for rake. Guessing the trend of charging higher rake is only going to continue. While I agree that the rake is high here, the players who make the games want the $2 BBJP drop. Doubt it is going to change.

My main point is that nobody with the money/clout to change the gaming limits cares at all about playing poker for more $. The only beneficiary is going to be 1 casino, if it even helps them. Given that nobody would help how is it possible that the law would change?

meh fairish points, thnx for the response i'll come check the game out in a few months

I'm with you, in that if there were lower rake and a good ladder of games from say 10/20 to 200/400 that ran every day, that would be awesome. CO is a strange poker market, in that the biggest game has always been as big (or nearly so) as possible and quite different in texture than any smaller game. There's never been a ladder. You can play small. You can play full on gonzo. We have good dealers, and people in the games tend to be nice.

Holy heck, no takers? I'm going out to the series to play cash games and tournaments in these games so I need the practice.

plenty of people would play 8-16 if they knew about it, only a small percentage of people post or read here compared to the people you really want Id look for players to support here but if they dont want to do what youre doing9help find players etc.) they arent worth much, I suggest calling into gates and starting a list everday, then whenever someone signs up have the floor ask them if they want to be on a text list and get their number, then start working with them peoples numbers you get to make a consesus game/day.

do any 4-8 limit games still go on in blackhawk? or any other limit games besides 30-60 and 50-100?

No, the 4-8 stopped running quite a few months ago, though it was a bad game for serious players expecting to make a decent hourly rate. They dropped the blinds from 2-4 to 1-2 some time ago. You can't even beat an ordinary 4-8 game with regular structure, let alone with 1-2 blinds.

If only there was a regular 8-16 or 10-20 with half kill. You could make 16-20 an hour playing those. :-(

With 5+2 rake? If you can beat 10/20 for 20/hr with that, you'll beat the 30 game for 70.

tbh im not interested in putting in regular hours or anything, im just looking for a fun cheap game to play like either thurs-fri-or sat night. i went to lady luck for an hour an a half and played the 1-2-10 game but the casino is garbage. service was wack and the chips and tables were super cheap.

Your swings are going to be smaller playing 1/2-100 than they would be playing 10/20 limit. From my limited experience the 1/2 plays very small and passive.

Maybe I'm overthinking the whole situation, but it seems very shady. My opinions of the floor at the Golden Gates were already VERY low but I think that I'm being objective and only giving the facts:

Played the $300 6-max CPC event yesterday at the Golden Gates. I late registered around 2pm and then busted rather quickly. I re-entered and went to my new seat which I had to sit out because I would have been in the SB. I then realized that I was not given a receipt for my second entry and went up to the desk to get it. He quickly printed it off and I went back to my seat. I then texted a picture to some friends that had action. It was then that I realized my second receipt was just a reprint of my first buy in.
On break, I went back to the desk and asked for the correct copy. The floor guy that sold me both seats was no longer there and the new guy looked in the computer and then stated that I had only purchased one seat...
He gets the other guy working the floor to take a look and they can not figure out the situation before the break is over.
I return to my table and explain the situation to the guy sitting next to me. Another player across the table was listening and stated that he also entered twice and did not receive a second receipt. He goes to the floor and inquires and it's the same situation.
Awhile later, they bring both of us new receipts.
Here's the thing, the receipt was numbered alternate 128, which is what the current number of entries at the time, so they obviously input a new entry.

The more that I think about it, when I paid for my second entry, I was quickly handed a seat card and pointed in the direction of my table. I do not remember him doing anything with the computer.

Are there any live updates anywhere from these poker tournaments that show the final table chip counts? I don't see anything like that in their twitter feed.

You should be able to take the total chips in play, divide it by the starting stack, and get a number very close to the number of players showing in Bravo. There will be a slight difference due to color ups but that will be small. If there are several buyins worth of extra chips then something is disappearing before it gets to the prize pool.

It might just be a lazy floor/TD trying to rush players in with the intention of putting them in the system later, but either way I'd contact gaming ASAP.

rp- it sounds like you are insinuating gross misconduct. For years poker rooms have had loose policies that lend staff to stealing. Can you offer any more details? What do you want us, the community to do?

The only other relevant detail that I can think of is that the receipts have a "received by" time on the bottom:



As far as what the poker community can do...that's a good question. Unfortunately, in Colorado, all of the mtt series are played at the Golden Gates.
Obviously, I would suggest that anyone that re-enters ANY tournament be diligent with their entry receipts.


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I'm not sure where this is relevant, I'm new to this forum, so forgive me if it's the wrong thread.
I'm flying to CO from TX, and plan to play poker and gamble in Blackhawk. Spec. Ameristar. I want to bring an ample bankroll, or at least have access to it. Do i have to bring phys. cash? or can i cash a money order at the cage? Wire etc. I bank with Chase. Doesn't look like there are any in BH. Any tips, or replies are much appreciated. Thanks all.

Ozzy