Poker Stars $11+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t200/t400 Blinds + t50 - 9 players
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Hero (UTG): t3000 M = 2.86
UTG+1: t3040 M = 2.90
UTG+2: t9750 M = 9.29
MP1: t3235 M = 3.08
MP2: t7305 M = 6.96
CO: t4495 M = 4.28
BTN: t4751 M = 4.52
SB: t4110 M = 3.91
BB: t5307 M = 5.05

Pre Flop: (t1050) Hero is UTG with K 4
Hero?

What is a good shovingrange here???

Almost anything, tbh, you shouldn't have let yourself get this short. Push earlier.

Shove while you still have some FE! At least 60%.

It´s not always possible.. I agree though

If you M gets to about 6, shove with pretty much ATC. Shoving with stacks this low doesn't get you anything, you get to do it again in about 3 hands.

I´m one of those people who cares about position, cards, stacksizes and opponents...

So am I, but without any chips, those things have minimal usage. You can't utilise position if the only move you have is Shove or fold with an M of 3.

your shove ATC with 6M advice still makes no sense. Unless you blindly shove 23o UTG with 6M.. which is bad

If by 6 you mean ~ 2 to 3, then yes, I agree with you.

My advice is to shove while any villian can actually fold to you, 6M is normally as low as I would go.

If you do get called, you normally have 2 live cards. The odds of ATC against AK or any non PP PF aren't actually that bad. Your goal should be to win the tourney, not to min cash. You can't win if you don't have chips.

Normally I'd put in numbers here, but I'm just getting to an interesting point in a few games, so I'll be back later.

Like any villain can't fold to a 4M shove..

I think sth like K6s K8o Ax 22 87s Q9s QTo JTo J9s is fine in the hand okerchamp posted,but might want to widen that a bit.

What I am saying, and I admit, I'm not doing it well is:

You will be called with a wider range when you push with 4M that you will be with 6M. And when I'm talking about shoving I'm talking about shoving with 1st in vigourish (ie 1st into a pot), and you're not that worried about not being called, the blinds will be very nice thank you.

I'm not saying push into an opened pot with ATC, but I am talking about pushing while it's still worth it.

I see there's a good reason for your arrogance.

+1 to what ferny said.
We are not shoving 15BB UTG with any two unless we hate money

Poker Stars $2.02+$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t300/t600 Blinds + t50 - 9 players
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BTN: t2000 M = 1.48
SB: t6270 M = 4.64
BB: t12440 M = 9.21
UTG: t13120 M = 9.72
UTG+1: t1925 M = 1.43
UTG+2: t4715 M = 3.49
MP1: t3650 M = 2.70
Hero (MP2): t5085 M = 3.77
CO: t13345 M = 9.89

Pre Flop: (t1350) Hero is MP2 with 3 Q
4 folds, Hero?

Thanks to all for comments, I'm glad it generated some discussion as I felt bad folding it in-game. The fact he opened to 2.5 and not 3 did play a part in my decision to fold, for the same reasons you stated above.

Having said that after playing on that table for a while after the hand I think I made the right decision, Villian played tight and I never saw him get out of line or even open light in late position.

With regards to the 3-bet discussion, if I was going to play the hand, I think I would 3-bet not shove, I know I said shove but usually in these tournaments it is either fold or shove, it is rare where you are playing for 20BB effective stacks, was just lazy wording on my part. I felt I had too many chips to 3-bet and hope to win a flip against AQ/AK.

Okerchamp its a shove there Q3 but I would fold.

lol?

If you're going to give such an answer you should at least give a reason for it.

Its a shove because... you are so short in the hijack and you've got good FE so you can add 1350 chips which is like 1/4 of your stack a pretty high % of the time. When you do get called your probably going to be like 70/30 underdog but thats ok because your so short that you could use a double up or bust.

But he would fold because hes a nit and wants to wait till he gets k3o the next hand.

I'll post a few hands to serve as a bump for this thread. Just shove/fold spots from today's session.


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CO: t2424 M = 4.14
BTN: t6785 M = 11.60
SB: t8690 M = 14.85
BB: t5464 M = 9.34
UTG: t3695 M = 6.32
Hero (UTG+1): t1555 M = 2.66
UTG+2: t5875 M = 10.04
MP1: t4155 M = 7.10
MP2: t6787 M = 11.60

Pre Flop: (t585) Hero is UTG+1 with K 7


Open Shove flop?

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MP2: t5225 M = 5.22
CO: t14964 M = 14.96
BTN: t3779 M = 3.78
SB: t11985 M = 11.98
Hero (BB): t2960 M = 2.96
UTG: t5240 M = 5.24
UTG+1: t3310 M = 3.31
MP1: t16127 M = 16.13

Pre Flop: (t1000) Hero is BB with 8 2
4 folds, CO calls t400, 1 fold, SB calls t200, Hero checks

Flop: (t1600) 7 K A (3 players)



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BB: t6055 M = 11.32
UTG: t6350 M = 11.87
Hero (UTG+1): t3680 M = 6.88
MP: t5540 M = 10.36
CO: t18600 M = 34.77
BTN: t6015 M = 11.24
SB: t29958 M = 56.00

Pre Flop: (t535) Hero is UTG+1 with 9 A


Because I passed on the last one




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SB: t8125 M = 12.50
BB: t6325 M = 9.73
UTG: t1400 M = 2.15
Hero (UTG+1): t3655 M = 5.62
MP1: t5515 M = 8.48
MP2: t18575 M = 28.58
CO: t5990 M = 9.22
BTN: t28013 M = 43.10

Pre Flop: (t650) Hero is UTG+1 with 8 A
1 fold, Hero raises to t3630 all in

I was wondering why the games are getting so much tougher lock this thread

1 - KTo+

easy fold

2 - shoving otf looks okay to me considering the pot, wouldn't fault anyone for c/f tho

3 - A7s+ A5s-A3s ATo+

fold

4 - A8s+ A5s-A4s ATo+

do it up

LOL dude c'mon,
w/3 larger stack left to act....
QTo+

22+ A3s+ A9o+ K9s+ KJo+ Q9s+ QJo J9s+ T9s 98s

GL with that

this is garbo....