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08-19-2012 , 05:45 PM
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ICM is very minute in consideration from the start, gets slightly bigger and bigger and peaks at the bubble, then drops dramatically once the bubble bursts, then gets bigger slightly again until the FT bubble, then starts getting bigger once again with each elimination until HU where it is the only stage where it is literally 100% cEV.
from 10 to the end does not the avg BF smaller and smaller?
08-19-2012 , 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by ISmellToast
Fish lose money because they dont fold enough, not because they ignore $EV. I am never following ICM with 10 left, and I have a 30% ROI so i think i will continue to do so. Like i said in my post taking 60k to the final table is huge, and if your are any sort of decent player you will be able to abuse the table and win very often.


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ISmellToast 8,236 $2.92 $9 31% $24,078 Tilt N/A PokerStars E180-180 S1-15 G=H Spd=AT
If you wanna get picky about it you're 20% over the last 6.2k games (1 year) EXCLUDING rebuys, which is important because 55%+ is more than achievable in those and misleads an overall 180 ROI. Folding here is gonna see an improvement for sure.
08-19-2012 , 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by SngNit
If you wanna get picky about it you're 20% over the last 6.2k games (1 year) EXCLUDING rebuys, which is important because 55%+ is more than achievable in those and misleads an overall 180 ROI. Folding here is gonna see an improvement for sure.
My ROI in the non rebuys is actually 27% ($2.50 to $15s) and last time i checked that is about as good as it gets for those games. I am sure it is considerably better than your stats in these games (assuming you play them) which i do assume since you seem to be an expert on them. I don't know how you can sit there and tell me folding will see an improvement for sure when you have nothing to back that up.
08-19-2012 , 07:38 PM
why dont you out urself instead of repeatedly flaming others' results
you were bragging in some thread about crushing $3abi stakes for 20-30k a yr (there's nothing wrong with winning 20-30k a yr but it does mean it's a bit ridiculous for you to call other people out on their results).
08-19-2012 , 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by OMGClayDol
ICM is very minute in consideration from the start, gets slightly bigger and bigger and peaks at the bubble, then drops dramatically once the bubble bursts, then gets bigger slightly again until the FT bubble, then starts getting bigger once again with each elimination until HU where it is the only stage where it is literally 100% cEV.

from 10 to HU does not the avg BF smaller and smaller?
08-19-2012 , 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by OMGClayDol
why dont you out urself instead of repeatedly flaming others' results
you were bragging in some thread about crushing $3abi stakes for 20-30k a yr (there's nothing wrong with winning 20-30k a yr but it does mean it's a bit ridiculous for you to call other people out on their results).
+1
08-19-2012 , 07:59 PM
the higher the stakes the more calling becomes a good option here... to call there isnt a mistake anyway, but not to call there in a $2 game cant be a mistake either, cause as ISToast said, fish make mistakes bacause they fold too much, so why should we ever call loose vs a reg, where we might be 5% ahead of his range, whhen instead we have way more folding equity on average than the 5% edge in this spot!

I recently mixed in 18man games since i realized that you can have a 20% roi in these, so why wasting 1h to finish a 45er or 180men game if you can play way more for same equity.
but there is much more action going on, more 3 betting, more cc from the blinds and chk raise bluffing.....under these conditions i fist pump call the A5s BvB in a similar icm spot. But in a $2 game??? mehhh not really, i used to but i think i will reconstruct my calling ranges !
08-19-2012 , 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by fish_but_lucky
what are those factors?
Things like strength of the remaining field/ stack distributions/ potential increase in edge if call and win. Basically just try to look at overall tournament situation rather than just play in an ICM vacuum. However I pay much closer attention to ICM once a few have busted the FT and pay jumps are getting bigger.
08-19-2012 , 08:09 PM
by the way is there an alternative to opr for free not hidden playerstats?

Lately i pay my ass off for sharkscope, cause everywhere are sitting regs with a 300+ sample i have to clourcode The 18man are just nealry only regs but they are fun cause at lower levels your edge against their strategy is quite predictable.
08-19-2012 , 08:15 PM
Hey poporella, you should start naming your threads "Come in here to wave your e-penis and start fights"
08-19-2012 , 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Aliquantum
Hey poporella, you should start naming your threads "Come in here to wave your e-penis and start fights"
http://www.epenis.nl/

post your results!

i ll be happy to make a choice
08-19-2012 , 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by OMGClayDol
why dont you out urself instead of repeatedly flaming others' results
you were bragging in some thread about crushing $3abi stakes for 20-30k a yr (there's nothing wrong with winning 20-30k a yr but it does mean it's a bit ridiculous for you to call other people out on their results).
Why are you bringing 2008 up?
08-20-2012 , 04:08 AM
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=712

even if you claim this is a lie u obv should still stop boasting/flaming like crazy whilst hiding your sn, if you are the anton guy the congrats, you one table.
edit: not that posting your sn gives you the right to boasting or flaming, but at least it's a tiny bit better than what you do atm
08-20-2012 , 05:04 AM
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Originally Posted by OMGClayDol
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=712

even if you claim this is a lie u obv should still stop boasting/flaming like crazy whilst hiding your sn, if you are the anton guy the congrats, you one table.
edit: not that posting your sn gives you the right to boasting or flaming, but at least it's a tiny bit better than what you do atm
no its not

also you two can discuss OT stuff in PMs
i dont want to clean up every thread
08-20-2012 , 05:16 AM
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Originally Posted by OMGClayDol
if you are the anton guy
As in Ant n Dec? No I'm not them.

      
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