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08-15-2012 , 11:17 AM

poporella

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what to call here?

villain 80 hands 19/16 45 steal, how wide is he pushing there with 15BB?

PokerStars NLHE Tournament, ($2.28+$0.22), t1000/t2000/t200 blinds, 5 handed, 30%/20%/11.9%/8%/6.5%/5%/3.5%/2.6%/1.7% payouts
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{Tournament|PokerStars|2.28|0.22|1000|2000|200|180-Man}
UTG: t18384 8.4 BBs{Player|UTG|18384|Fold|200}
CO: t15933 7.2 BBs{Player|CO|15933|Fold|200}
BTN: t18525 8.4 BBs{Player|BTN|18525|Fold|200}
SB: t28532 13 BBs{Player|SB|28532|Push|28532|Overridden|90}
Hero: t29736 14 BBs{Player|Hero|29736|As|5s}

Preflop: Hero is BB with A

3 folds, SB pushes t28532 (50+), Hero?

08-15-2012 , 12:38 PM

Saywatagain!

journeyman

Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 212

Quote:

Originally Posted by poporella

villain 80 hands 19/16 45 steal, how wide is he pushing there with 15BB?

He'll be pretty loose here, but not as soon as normal with the 3 other shorter stacks at the table (assuming this is a FT)
I'd image he's pushing something similar to this range:
22+,A2s+,K2s+,Q3s+,J5s+,T6s+,96s+,86s+,76s,A2o+,K6 o+,Q8o+,J8o+,T8o+,98o
That may be a little off since I'm pretty bad at reading txt HH lol

08-15-2012 , 12:58 PM

SngNit

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He needs to be over 80%. No thanks.

08-15-2012 , 04:04 PM

sayakmitra

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Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 635

Quote:

Originally Posted by SngNit

He needs to be over 80%. No thanks.

????
sorry, I don't understand. Do you mean 'He needs to push over 80% to make a profitable call with A5s'??
I really don't think so. I'll have hard time to fold this unless specific read(which we don't have). but I might sigh fold but then it'll be REALLY REALLY CLOSE.

08-15-2012 , 04:24 PM

SngNit

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sayakmitra

????

I really don't think so.

Your choice to be wrong, suits me.

08-15-2012 , 05:47 PM

intclock

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Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 2,666

Final table bubble, not final table.

He could be pushing near atc if you are tight, more like 70% if he thinks you are capable of calling wide.

I'd be hard pressed to find a fold. Might be more likely to fold if there is an extremely short stack on the other table.

08-16-2012 , 08:47 AM

tom4k

centurion

Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 179

he's pushing here min 70% i guess

08-16-2012 , 09:17 AM

Potamito

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SngNit

He needs to be over 80%. No thanks.

Quote:

Originally Posted by sayakmitra

Quote:

Originally Posted by SngNit

Your choice to be wrong, suits me.

What SNGNit meant (Or at least i think this is what he meant) its that if this were a Final Table and from an extrictly ICM perspective we need SB to be pushing top 80% to make the call profitably taking into account other shorties on the table. In fact, SNGWiz sets the breakeven point at 87%/88%, again, just from an ICM stand point of view.
But since its FT Bubble and from a cEV point of view this is a first pump spinning my head snap call, we only need villain to be pushing around 27%/28% to make the call here.

08-16-2012 , 10:33 AM

mckrogh

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Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 6,495

fold obv

08-16-2012 , 12:39 PM

#10

fish_but_lucky

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Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 281

Quote:

Originally Posted by Potamito

where that 28% come from?
i 100% agree with SNGNit, vilain need to push ~80% or more for us to be a profitable call here. And i know its the final table bubble, so 10 players left. and i assume that SNGNit knows it too (its written in the title of the hand, and im sure he can read

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08-16-2012 , 03:14 PM

#11

SngNit

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Wait a minute. You guys use cev with 10 left? oh my days. I don't even use it with 100 left. little hint: you can wiz the FT bubble proper ICM style, sure you don't need me to tell you how to figure that out.

08-16-2012 , 03:47 PM

#12

Saywatagain!

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Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 212

Quote:

Originally Posted by SngNit

I think I'm right in saying that ICM would prolly come into play at the end of the rebuy period in $3rs, and from the very first hand of a FO 180 (to a minute degree)

Also, the bubble factor is higher with 10 left in a 180 than with 6 left.

08-16-2012 , 03:51 PM

#13

sayakmitra

grinder

Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 635

Quote:

Originally Posted by SngNit

Wait a minute. You guys use cev with 10 left? oh my days. I don't even use it with 100 left.

08-16-2012 , 04:23 PM

#14

bardaks86

centurion

Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 145

against reg my calling range in this spot: 66+,A8s+,KJs+,QJs,ATo+,KQo
he's pushing any 2

against unknown: 88+,A9s+,KQs,AJo+

08-16-2012 , 04:26 PM

#15

Potamito

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SngNit

Wait a minute. You guys use cev with 10 left? oh my days. I don't even use it with 100 left. little hint: you can wiz the FT bubble proper ICM style, sure you don't need me to tell you how to figure that out.

How can you properly use Wiz to run a FT bubble ICM base escenario when u dont know the stacks of the other table?

08-16-2012 , 05:22 PM

#16

SngNit

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Just use even stacks, it's as close as we can get.

08-16-2012 , 05:37 PM

#17

Potamito

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SngNit

Just use even stacks, it's as close as we can get.

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08-16-2012 , 06:27 PM

#18

sayakmitra

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Potamito....you made my day!

08-16-2012 , 06:50 PM

#19

SngNit

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You guys make mine. If u can't figure it then quit poker.

08-16-2012 , 06:58 PM

#20

Miducharme

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Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 244

Isn't $EV used when the payjumps become significant? I thought cEV is not used until final table in 180-man turbos. And even then it's not very significant until like final 5.

Do I misunderstand something?

08-16-2012 , 08:35 PM

#21

Potamito

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SngNit

Your choice to be wrong, suits me.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SngNit

Wait a minute. You guys use cev with 10 left? oh my days. I don't even use it with 100 left.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SngNit

You guys make mine. If u can't figure it then quit poker.

Dont want to get into any kind of pointless arguments with you but this is exactly the type of attituted others 2+2ers find unpleasant

08-16-2012 , 09:29 PM

#22

lucasstar

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Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 46

What kind of model do you use for 100 left if not cEV?

08-17-2012 , 04:15 AM

#23

mckrogh

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lucasstar

What kind of model do you use for 100 left if not cEV?

i use my brain, logic and commonsense!

08-17-2012 , 05:28 AM

#24

Robinho2611

old hand

Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,329

Quote:

Originally Posted by mckrogh

i use my brain, logic and commonsense!

Plus One

08-17-2012 , 06:02 AM

#25

SngNit

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^ Hey you two less of the attitude!!

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