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06-09-2012 , 03:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by cilione
Is there any good reason to do it this way instead of offering 7 points per $1 and dividing those 7 points by the number of players? Why would someone even consider playing heads up under the current system?

No, there is no good reason to do it that way. IF they are actually doing the dealt method that way then that is pretty stupid.

But I would appreciate confirmation that they really are doing it that way. I don't think that's clear.

Lock has occasionally explained some things on here that left players with one impression when, in reality, they had just explained it badly and didn't really mean what they said somehow.

It's frustrating. But on bonus and vip stuff you need to do some follow-up questions to make sure Lock simply didn't mis-speak.

There's nothing on the site about it of course. It would be nice if some headsup players were able to play a little bit and then figure out how it is really calculated.

It's lol that we have to do it that way. But lock isn't helping or addressing it anymore. So we are stuck trying to figure it out ourselves imo.
06-09-2012 , 03:34 PM
Pretty sure there have been some heads up player confirm that they are doing that way.
06-09-2012 , 07:10 PM
They are. It's pretty easy to tell if you have HEM. Your rake stat multiplied by avg # of players is pretty close to FPP's.
06-11-2012 , 06:45 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by yob-
As a primarily HU player I will receive a lower percentage of rake back per hand compared to 6 and 9 max players unless they play extremely loose. Retaining black VIP seems hardly worth it to have to rake nearly $1k for a deal barely better than 36% rakeback. Doesn't seem like I'm on track to this month, anyway.

That is if I understand this new system correctly . . .

edit: which brings to a question, can I still email support and switch to RB?
It is true that people sitting at full tables will get vpps faster but the cashback/RakeBack will be much higher for people playing heads up. 1 dollar raked between 9 players is roughly 12 cent per player but for two it is 50 cents

Correct me if I'm wrong.
06-11-2012 , 05:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Schwatt
They are. It's pretty easy to tell if you have HEM. Your rake stat multiplied by avg # of players is pretty close to FPP's.
This is apparently not correct from what appears in the Admin page(that is now active). I've raked $753 so far this month, avg. player 5.2 so that would put me at about 3900 points. Admin page says I've gotten 1982 this month.

FWIW I raked about $921 last month and got ~4500 points when we were on merge.
06-13-2012 , 03:13 PM
appreciate if anyone knowledgable can help answer these questions for me:

booger369 decides to play on lock on january 1st. he does the vip program cuz blackvip elite sounds badass.

january: 15,000 vip points earned.

1. Does this mean the moment he got 10,000 vip in jan he went from 25% cashback to 35% cashback (the next 5000 points).

feb: being a multi-tabling robot caused booger369 to lose his roll. he now has to grind 25 nl. He only gets 1000 vip points this month.

2. Does this mean those 1000 vip points he played were at blackvip level and when the month ends he will become a whitevip again. (highest vip status activates moment u achieve month requirement and stays till end of next month?)

also:

cashback is separate from the 10dollar/700 points correct? cashback of 35 perc + you get to use all your points to buy additional cash (similar to stars). so this vip program is like a combination of rakeback and fpp. so for blackvip it seems "rakeback" would be around 45%? this is assuming the 10 perc i've seen quoted for point value is correct (it is for tournament based on limited information on lock site).


cliffnotes:

[true or false?] if you can achieve blackvip or higher and choose 36% instead, you are an idiot.
06-13-2012 , 03:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by booger369
appreciate if anyone knowledgable can help answer these questions for me:

booger369 decides to play on lock on january 1st. he does the vip program cuz blackvip elite sounds badass.

january: 15,000 vip points earned.

1. Does this mean the moment he got 10,000 vip in jan he went from 25% cashback to 35% cashback (the next 5000 points).

Yes.

feb: being a multi-tabling robot caused booger369 to lose his roll. he now has to grind 25 nl. He only gets 1000 vip points this month.

2. Does this mean those 1000 vip points he played were at blackvip level and when the month ends he will become a whitevip again. (highest vip status activates moment u achieve month requirement and stays till end of next month?)

Yes.

also:

cashback is separate from the 10dollar/700 points correct? cashback of 35 perc + you get to use all your points to buy additional cash (similar to stars). so this vip program is like a combination of rakeback and fpp. so for blackvip it seems "rakeback" would be around 45%? this is assuming the 10 perc i've seen quoted for point value is correct (it is for tournament based on limited information on lock site).

Yes.

cliffnotes:

[true or false?] if you can achieve blackvip or higher and choose 36% instead, you are an idiot.

It depends on how consistently you make that level.
Answers in bold.
06-13-2012 , 03:34 PM
also:

silver to blackvip is a 10 perc difference in "rakeback" and it is 2x vip point requirements

blackvip to blackelitevip is a 10 perc difference in "rakeback" and it is 5x in vip point requirements

the only other difference is the dedicated rep

so i assume the rep is like a cracked out version of stars reps. they will respond to your doomswitch rant emails with humorous jokes while traveling across the world to personally hand you withdrawal requests within 2 days of your cashier request.

im not sure how to calc cash games. but for 50,000 vip points thats 7143 dollars a month u pay to lock (assuming unlimited amount of tournys available). thats about 6000 dollars more paid to lock than blackvip. anyone know if im missing something?

anyone blackvipelite or know more bout it and can share experience?

because the only way i can compare for now is to think 7143 dollars contributed rake = 7143 lock calced (comparing to merge). have no idea what kinda hours and tables needed to generate this equivalent in cash games for lock, but just from merge, max tabling all the 200 tables (pre-lock bailout) woulda generated this i think (probably 45 hour weeks tho). feels similar to grinding for sne.

yay or nay?

      
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