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08-10-2011 , 10:54 PM
FWIW, Bluff said the interview was not paid.

My theory (and probably others by now) is that this was a coaching + money from Lock Poker scam set up by Haseeb and Jose. No idea the extent of JM's knowledge about it - could be anywhere from very little to a whole lot. It would be difficult to pull this right under JM's nose, but if you know JM, you know that it's definitely possible that his intentions were not malicious (apart from maybe playing on some Euro sites). I think most or all of Jose's poker winnings have probably come from passing money between accounts that they owned on Merge. (WHERE IS MERGE, THIS WOULD BE EASY TO VERIFY).

Once this comes out (as I think it very well might), and maybe once Jungleman and Haseeb separate, we will get more information about who was involved in which part of what... the thing is, Jungleman still has little motivation to do this monetarily apart from playing Euro sites which in the grand scheme of things and relatively speaking, isn't really that big of a deal. However, Haseeb and Jose... busto ex-high stakes player, and future poker wannabe nothing... well, pretty obvious what their motivations were.

Last edited by fslexcduck; 08-10-2011 at 11:00 PM.
08-10-2011 , 10:54 PM
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I also like how Haseeb doesn't see any reason to create a new account when he wants to play poker, so he just uses Jose's account. But, when he wants to put money into Jose's account, he decides to create a new account.
THIS! This is why guilty people should never try to talk their way out of things, they just end up accidentally reveal more and more skeletons... Keep talking Haseeb; keep talking
08-10-2011 , 10:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Strongsville
http://news.bluffmagazine.com/jose-g...allenge-20500/

After learning he won the BLUFF Pro Challenge, Macedo said: “I’m really excited and happy to have won the BPC! I had a very good run at the Lock High stakes tables and now I can only hope to keep working and playing hard in order to improve and build on this achievement. I will keep on playing anyone at any stakes up to $200/400 so if you want some action, come find me at the tables (that goes for you too Durrrr ).”

orly
My first thought upon reading this was "I wonder if Haseeb edited this." It's actually missing at least two commas....
08-10-2011 , 10:55 PM
So were to believe Haseeb, while backing Jose with jungle 50/50, orchestrated and funded this chipdump on his own? How could he have possibly explained this win to his backing partner?

He selected SamChauhan as a handle because it would be "funny"?
08-10-2011 , 10:56 PM
i still think Haseeb knew Jose's results were concocted. It's my belief that he had financial motivation for having his little Poker Prodigy crush, get great sponsorship deals, coach for higher rates, etc.

I think he's just aware of the fact that for this aspect of the story no one can do more than say 'Haseeb you are full of ****'. And thats why he said "thats my belief, i believed it then, i believe it now, and i am standing by it". No one telling the truth says that ****.
08-10-2011 , 10:58 PM
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Originally Posted by PokerExaminer
THIS! This is why guilty people should never try to talk their way out of things, they just end up accidentally reveal more and more skeletons... Keep talking Haseeb; keep talking
Pretty sure it could have been Jungle's account, and Haseeb maybe taking the fall for that lie? Can we get screenshots with the name on the account? Jungle, this looks super bad on you to either have not known about the chip dumping, or not to have ever come forward with it? You're with Haseeb a huuuuge amount of the time, did he never bring this up? wtf?
08-10-2011 , 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Charmer
He selected SamChauhan as a handle because it would be "funny"?
He actually selected it because "SamChauhan never plays poker" and he figured that would be funny since he had no intentions of playing poker on this new account he made just chip dumping!

Its like 'Sauron' and "if Only you knew' all over again...
08-10-2011 , 11:01 PM
Oh hey I thought of another reason why that story doesn't make sense.

If you're staking someone for like 5/10, why do you need to ship them 100k? Even if an 100k stake at 5/10 were at all reasonable, if you're unable to transfer so you need to resort to chipdumping, why the hell do you dump the whole 100k instead of just dumping like 10k and then doing the rest later?
08-10-2011 , 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted by NoahSD
I also like how Haseeb doesn't see any reason to create a new account when he wants to play poker, so he just uses Jose's account. But, when he wants to put money into Jose's account, he decides to create a new account.
seems pretty likely that he didnt actually create that account. it would just be so incredibly stupid not to just make up something random if creating a new one. it wasnt too hard to connect that name to jungleman. purely speculation on my part but it makes sense that they account belongs to the life coach and they him ask to use it to transfer money. now haseeb is lying about that either out of some decency to not implicate someone who likely had nothing to do with it or to save his ass from facing any kind of repercussions from the person who's name and account he used to effectively steal money from the other people competing in bluff challenge.
08-10-2011 , 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by BLUFF magazine
When Jose was disqualified from the BLUFF Poker Challenge on Lock Poker, did you know it was Haseeb who had played on the account?
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Originally Posted by jungleman
Yes, but I did not want to get involved. I know it was not a habit.
So jungleman you knew about Haseeb playing on Girahh, did you also know about Haseeb chipdumping $100K from SamChauhan to Girahh?

You knew all this before the Teamviewer scandal became public, and yet you continued to go ahead with the plan of moving in with Haseeb and Jose in Portugal? What was in it for you then??? You already knew that they were conning the poker community. We really need to know what was in it for you to move in with them in Portugal now.
08-10-2011 , 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by NoahSD
Did Lock seriously DQ him from the challenge because Haseeb logged into his account and lost money at PLO and not because of hte massive chipdumping (that presumably came from the same IP as the PLO stuff so was really really obviously chipdumping). How the hell could Merge miss this? Merge/Lock have some explaining to do because it sure looks like they tried to cover up a scandal by DQing him and releasing a false explanation.

the official statement from Lock at the time of the DQ-ed Bluff Challenge:


Lock is disappointed to announce that their new LockPRO ELITE team member, Jose "Girah" Macedo has been disqualified. Runner up Michael "bigguylegend22" Drummond, who earned over $90,000 in profit during the challenge, will take the prize. In audits of all participants' accounts at the close of the competition, violations of BPC rules as well as the Merge Gaming network rules were discovered. The violations with Girah's account included computers at multiple locations logging in and playing on his account. Lock's philosophy is built on player relationship and trust; any violation of fairness by any player is taken very seriously.

"Jose is young and he has made a big mistake here. We wanted to make sure that regardless of being a LockPRO he won this fair and square. After doing an audit of his account we have found that he broke some rules and that will not be tolerated by Lock," said Jennifer Larson CEO/Owner of Lock Poker. "We pride ourselves in standing for trust, legitimacy and loyalty. The truth is sometimes hard to stand by but it is the only way we can move forward. Although José won enough money from his own IP to have legitimately won the challenge, the unfortunate fact remains that breaking the rules is strictly disallowed. The fact remains Jose is an exceptional player and I firmly believe that mistakes only lead to greatness if learned from."

"I'm deeply sorry for having broken the rules," said José, "but I truly had no intention of circumventing the rules in any way. Though it is no excuse, I want to be fully transparent at this point to let the poker world know what has happened and why. The computer in question was my backer, who logged into my account to check my balance and ended up playing some $25/$50 PLO while I was asleep and lost some money. Though on the merit of my own legitimate play I had enough winnings to win the Bluff Challenge, in light of the way things appear, I fully support and respect Lock's decision to disqualify me and hand over the challenge to the second place winner. Once again, I truly regret that all of this has happened the way it has, and I hope that I can win back the generous support and understanding of the players who have believed in me so far. I will be issuing a more comprehensive explanation of what happened on my blog. Thank you."
08-10-2011 , 11:05 PM
I just sent a mail to LockPoker support asking if there was a player-to-player money transfer limit, and this was the answer I got:


Paige
AUG 11, 2011 | 11:00PM EDT
There is no limit but the max is $10,000 per transfer.
All my best,

Paige

---
CSR, Lock Support
08-10-2011 , 11:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Batman1421
Haseeb has already stated earlier in the thread that he was under no financial stress and his finances are healthy and that he was genuinely playing 2/5 as he isnt used to playing live ( lol ) so that nullifies the explanation for him playing 2/5 ( unless he was lying yet again which is ob not unlikely). Also wrt the chipdump as has already been mentioned in the thread, Haseeb has already claimed to have "found out" about the lock challenge on two seperate occasions, the first predating the chipdumping of a ridiculously large msnl bankroll when Haseeb had been playing PLO on the girahh account.
I don't have much evidence for this and I've been biting my tongue wrt speculating about DIH's finances but I think it's crazy to think the following:

a) guy takes such a big beating at poker that he takes an extended break
b) guy after not recovering from the beating by grinding loses 300k
c) guy is spotted playing 2/5 and 5/10 live
d) given the above, guy is free of financial stress

I mean, you never can tell but I'd be truly shocked if Haseeb wasn't in financial stress (or at least what an HSNLer used to being super rich would consider stress). High stakes players just don't play 5/10 live when there are 10/20, 10/20/40, and 25/50 games running every day unless they're super-nitty.

Sorry if this is inappropriate and willing to keep an open mind on the subject, but at this point it's worth laying it on the table that DIH likely had a big motive for shady activity
08-10-2011 , 11:06 PM
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Lock is disappointed to announce that their new LockPRO ELITE team member, Jose "Girah" Macedo has been disqualified. Runner up Michael "bigguylegend22" Drummond, who earned over $90,000 in profit during the challenge, will take the prize. In audits of all participants' accounts at the close of the competition, violations of BPC rules as well as the Merge Gaming network rules were discovered. The violations with Girah's account included computers at multiple locations logging in and playing on his account. Lock's philosophy is built on player relationship and trust; any violation of fairness by any player is taken very seriously.
And there is the wiggle room
08-10-2011 , 11:07 PM
Guys this may be irrelevant as its a matter of semantics.

When you mention Girah and his sponsorship - he was sponsored by LockPoker and not the Merge Network.

There's no reason to bring in the entire network(U.S. Friendly none the less) as a whole if this is an event that occurred on a particular skin.

/end derail
08-10-2011 , 11:07 PM
classic haseeb throwing in a 'Though on the merit of my own legitimate play I had enough winnings to win the Bluff Challenge, in light of the way things appear, I fully support and respect Lock's decision to disqualify me and hand over the challenge to the second place winner' even though its completely not relevant and he is lying.
08-10-2011 , 11:07 PM
Logistically, how would Haseeb even get 100k onto Lock as an american, post black friday? If it was a wire, why not wire the money to Jose, why is that an issue?

Also, a horse thats playing $5/$10 obviously doesn't need 100k, so that needs explaining. Obviously the chip dump was partly to win the challenge, but if we are supposed to believe Haseeb that he didn't know about the challenge, then the amount of $100k is even more sketchy.

Noah's post:

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I also like how Haseeb doesn't see any reason to create a new account when he wants to play poker, so he just uses Jose's account. But, when he wants to put money into Jose's account, he decides to create a new account.
That's a great point. We already know that Haseeb played 5k plo on jose's account before the chip dumping, so maybe he was shipping his own bankroll over to play on that account, since he lost in that plo session. We know Jose is not a high stakes player and most likely never was, but Haseeb and Jose had everyone thinking he was. Lock might have thought he was. But PTR had announced they were going to start tracking Merge, and Jose and haseeb needed to keep up appearances that Jose played high stakes. So haseeb ships him 100k to have a high stakes roll, and he would play those sessions on the girah account.

Thats the most plausible thing imo, and also, Lock's cover-up looks really sketchy.
08-10-2011 , 11:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Guyra
Although José won enough money from his own IP to have legitimately won the challenge,
And there's the lack of wiggle room.
08-10-2011 , 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by nlwolf
Right... so bad English means it was Haseeb because " the typos in this post were so lol-obvious made by someone with good english writing intentionally trying to come across as bad"

Good English - also Haseeb (how could 18yo from Portugal write so good???)

I guess if poster's english was completely average and unremarkable it would also have been interpreted as an evidence of Haseeb's involvement ("if he used too good or too bad english it would have been too obvious, so he chose the 'average' option")

Get a grip people!

Too many of you have judged him guilty and now any new piece of information is being used as confirming evidence of your preconceived
theories, and disconfirming evidence is dismissed or ignored (or maybe even treaded as supporting one).
Grunching again, and I think this is very off-topic even though it is related, but the concepts you talk about are a very legitimate field of study. Google "forensic stylistics" or "forensic linguistics". Your point stands because I don't think anybody here is an expert, but "the typos in this post were so lol-obvious made by someone with good english writing intentionally trying to come across as bad" is not a far-fetched concept and actually a fairly quantifiable thing.
Just a little info-tidbit, carry on.
08-10-2011 , 11:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Grandon
I just sent a mail to LockPoker support asking if there was a player-to-player money transfer limit, and this was the answer I got:


Paige
AUG 11, 2011 | 11:00PM EDT
There is no limit but the max is $10,000 per transfer.
All my best,

Paige

---
CSR, Lock Support
Can you email them back and ask how they missed a 100k chip dump at stakes that never run on their site when they audited Jose's account?
08-10-2011 , 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Roman
god his explanations make me sick, how many lies are you gonna tell haseeb?
this.
08-10-2011 , 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by fslexcduck
FWIW, Bluff said the interview was not paid.

My theory (and probably others by now) is that this was a coaching + money from Lock Poker scam set up by Haseeb and Jose. No idea the extent of JM's knowledge about it - could be anywhere from very little to a whole lot. It would be difficult to pull this right under JM's nose, but if you know JM, you know that it's definitely possible that his intentions were not malicious (apart from maybe playing on some Euro sites). I think most or all of Jose's poker winnings have probably come from passing money between accounts that they owned on Merge. (WHERE IS MERGE, THIS WOULD BE EASY TO VERIFY).

Once this comes out (as I think it very well might), and maybe once Jungleman and Haseeb separate, we will get more information about who was involved in which part of what... the thing is, Jungleman still has little motivation to do this monetarily apart from playing Euro sites which in the grand scheme of things and relatively speaking, isn't really that big of a deal. However, Haseeb and Jose... busto ex-high stakes player, and future poker wannabe nothing... well, pretty obvious what their motivations were.
+ a million.

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Originally Posted by FoxwoodsFiend
I don't have much evidence for this and I've been biting my tongue wrt speculating about DIH's finances but I think it's crazy to think the following:

a) guy takes such a big beating at poker that he takes an extended break
b) guy after not recovering from the beating by grinding loses 300k
c) guy is spotted playing 2/5 and 5/10 live
d) given the above, guy is free of financial stress

I mean, you never can tell but I'd be truly shocked if Haseeb wasn't in financial stress (or at least what an HSNLer used to being super rich would consider stress). High stakes players just don't play 5/10 live when there are 10/20, 10/20/40, and 25/50 games running every day unless they're super-nitty.

Sorry if this is inappropriate and willing to keep an open mind on the subject, but at this point it's worth laying it on the table that DIH likely had a big motive for shady activity
he also did not play a single event in the wsop fwiw. who lives in vegas for the summer and not play a single tournament? not even the main?
08-10-2011 , 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by FoxwoodsFiend
I don't have much evidence for this and I've been biting my tongue wrt speculating about DIH's finances but I think it's crazy to think the following:

a) guy takes such a big beating at poker that he takes an extended break
b) guy after not recovering from the beating by grinding loses 300k
c) guy is spotted playing 2/5 and 5/10 live
d) given the above, guy is free of financial stress

I mean, you never can tell but I'd be truly shocked if Haseeb wasn't in financial stress (or at least what an HSNLer used to being super rich would consider stress). High stakes players just don't play 5/10 live when there are 10/20, 10/20/40, and 25/50 games running every day unless they're super-nitty.

Sorry if this is inappropriate and willing to keep an open mind on the subject, but at this point it's worth laying it on the table that DIH likely had a big motive for shady activity
Oh yeah i mean i completely agree with you here dude, i think its more likely that DiH has been caught in another lie trying to hide the fact that he was broke and could well be financially motivated. I should have made it clear in my earlier post that i wasnt stating it as fact, merely repeating what DiH had already said wrt speculation being put forward.
08-10-2011 , 11:15 PM
Haseeb played on Jose's account Girahh, lost enough money, but wants to continue to play HS HU, therefore shipping $100K from SamChauhan to 1) help Jose win the challenge, and 2) allow himself to play HS HU while having opponents thinking that they're playing relatively-inexperienced-to-highstakes Jose Macedo. When Lockpoker DQ's Girahh that set off extremely alarm bells for Haseeb, who talked with jungleman and decided "let's just move to Portugal so when I play under Girahh it's from the same IP as Jose".

Now the question is, since jungleman is 50/50 with Haseeb in this whole Girahh venture, and Sam Chauhan is the name of jungleman's coach, 1) did jungleman also play on Girahh, and also 2) did he intend to play on Girahh once moving to Portugal to live with Jose.

He can deny both, but it's not looking good. I think anyone who's ever played Girahh esp. at highstakes needs to come out now with OPPONENT STATS and reference that with jungleman and Haseeb's stats. Despite of how 'talking' has made Haseeb look, jungleman should ignore his publicist and just come out with the truth if he is indeed more innocent than appears.
08-10-2011 , 11:17 PM
As someone pointed out earlier.... If Jose was in fact staked 50/50 by JM/DIH then JM HAS to be knowledgeable of DIH dumping money to Jose....

      
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