You sound like a horrible person.

He is a known scumbag. Id take twoshaes word and opinion over revils any day of the week. go make some more scripts you bumhunting @@##@

confirmed. scumbag/terrible person etc.

You're a -7 out of 10 if you think you're not going to get reported if you play as sublime8700 and use seating software. I'm not making any claims about technology here. Also, it was < 1 year ago when I first complained about the script-- get your facts right if you're going to post such a wall of know-it-all condescending bull**** furthering your own agenda.

Don't forget greedy....

Greedy is definitely true too. I'm LOTS of bad things to LOTS of bad people.

TwoShae - At the very least, and this isn't among the things I know that you don't about the technical side to this since I live in scum-land married to my "script" but it would seem that someone as scummy as me would start to multi-account to avoid someone like you who would report me, no? Solve one problem, do more to motivate people to behave badly in another way?

And again, to what end? The money should come out of PS budget so you and your friends who aren't even remotely good for a poker site's business are happy? I'll say it again: you should really learn more about the industry if you believe PS wants to keep you happy. You're too smart to believe that. Or are you really going to go with the claim that it improves the games or something?

I'd say the single things recs want is to not lose so quickly. That would improve the games. It would help if you used HEM, CREV, and whatever else a whole lot less quickly. That would even things out a little and you'd win -- just not as quickly. So it would be better overall for the precious poker ecology you care so very much about.

But since you know how to use all those things, you don't have a problem with them I assume. Have I missed your participation in any "ban CREV" threads - or any petitions to ban it?

"Please, Stars, listen to the players who have logged the most mileage (or at least some, in my case) in these games like Lottenice and forhayley."

You may be really, really good at math, but you fail common sense in my humble, scummy, extremely limited and distorted view of the world.

At the end of the day I know Stars is a business-- I can only hope there will be less action if this goes through and they change it back. But in the mean time, in a feedback thread, I don't see what's wrong with 1) giving your opinion and 2) explaining why you hold that opinion. You can do the same. But instead you just insult people and brag about your "script"

Obviously overall experience is very important here as well. I personally, like a lot of others have voiced, hate zoom. Poker is a lot more fun when there are table dynamics throughout the session.

You're entitled to your opinion on any issue. But facts matter, and when you are categorically uninformed about something your opinion matters less. Less still (to the point of irrelevancy) when that opinion is completely based on no understanding of the issue at hand and a wrong conclusion (yes, what you said about banning scripts or whatever your idea was being easy or even possible is simply categorically and technically wrong and it's not close). This is why sometimes people care more about what a great player like Sauce thinks about a hand than random $25 NL player they don't know. Some people can say things from a point of far better understanding than others on issues. I bet there are more issues in the world you can offer a more informed opinion about than me -- but this isn't one of them

Also, it bears repeating: your opinion matters even less when the company you're offering advice to wants no part of your business or expertise in the end. None. Sorry to tell you. But at least we're in the same boat there. They don't want my business either, I'm sure.

So offer your opinion all you want. You're allowed to. It's just not something any decision maker or rational observer will take seriously or care about. If you still feel strongly enough about such a terrible injustice you're enduring, by all means go ahead and express away. I'd say you can find bigger injustices in the world than someone out-thinking and out-executing you to protest and spend your energy on.

I'm also not bragging about my "script" -- you still haven't learned what a script is I guess - perhaps the programmer you hired to build you one back then didn't tell you about that. I'm sure you were forced into it and all, but... yeah.... Perhaps he was a script kiddie himself Anyway, I don't see much bragging - mostly just telling you that your opinion on a $50-$100 NLHE hand is worth a lot - your opinion on things in this area is close to worthless besides re-iterating that zoom is no fun because you have played it and don't like it. Not a knock on you - just the truth - almost nobody knows what they're talking about when discussing seating software or any number of other issues, and it's amusing I suppose that people still have no problem expressing a view/advice on just about anything.

As for our development, I think it's nice to have accomplished what we have, to have put in the work we have, and to do it every day for 2 years and get a nice result. No doubt we will do well in the future - I personally guarantee you that I can tell you right now every day isn't easy if it's any consolation, especially adding in a baby to the mix. Having a baby is more of a brag I think. I'd say a fair assessment is I was in the tight place/right team/right time/good idea/followed through = I got lucky. I'd rather be lucky than good any day.

Given the work we've put in and the people/experience involved it shouldn't surprise you that we have something you and a few others find so threatening that you've either spent a year trying to get banned and continue to do so.

I might offer an opinion of my own if you'd allow me... sometimes it's better to work with smart people than against them. If you actually thought about it, you'd realize what a lot of people have realized.

1) We're actually good guys in terms of character (and yes, that matters) even if it's not convenient for you to admit it. We are honorable and trustworthy to a fault, and the type of people that are competitive and capable enough that you want us on your side. You may not like what you think we've built and may perceive it as a net negative to your bottom line. But at least now the majority of people are reasonable enough to disagree without name-calling, and mature enough to see there's not logical reason to attempt to ban something when it's the behavior that is the problem, it won't come even remotely close to working, and it will cause more abuse (as you suggested multi-accounting would probably happen as a random consequence of a ban though I hadn't even though of that one yet).

Or people are reasonable enough to change their mind/adapt to changing times. I'd like to think I'm moving forward in my life and with our project and not trying to live in the past generally.

2) The rational decision is to try to work with people like us, not against us (in life). Having hired a lot of people in the past, I can tell you that someone as smart as you will find few people to work at your standards or intellect. Hell, I probably can't in a lot of ways. In your own case, TwoShae, that's probably not going to happen of course. But that's the rational thing you were probably considering when you were talking about using our services months ago and being a general douche to me on Skype for no reason / completely unsolicited.

More people over time have done (2) than (1) but keep at it I suppose - you're entitled, of course.

Random (related) Tip: Everyone should watch the movie "Floored" - you'll learn a thing or two. Should be on Netflix.

Don't confuse how you feel about someone with whether or not they know what they are talking about.

You win. Your non-script is a true accomplishment and merits praise.

i am talking about plo not nl

its also not fair that i know more about poker than most other people. thats also an unfair advantage. i dont see why huds should be banned as its super easy to use and everyone can buy it and implemet it easiely

My last post was not sarcastic fwiw

Most seating software possesses these qualities for the user as well.

dont think so you can not get the seating scripts that easy. i am myself never used one and i also dont know where to get it. and seating scripts are another story...

Lol you can talk

Just because you don't know where to get one doesn't mean they are hard to get (you likely never tried very hard). A quick Google search found me results, and at least 2 are advertised in the Software section of 2+2.

<3 Some Reality

Thanks. I appreciate it man.

The arguments have all basically been taken apart re: seating "scripts." Even the most virulent and loud opponents of them have either publicly or privately admitted they were wrong in the things they said personally about me, or about the ethics etc. of seating software. Several of the worst offenders have become good clients of ours which is ironic but cool for us beyond just making money. Turns out they're actually pretty cool people as well who just had a difference of opinion on one thing.

In the end, life goes on. Technology moves on. We all hate zoom. Not sure there's much else to say. Fighting technology is a losing battle. If you think otherwise, I guess you'll just have to learn the hard way.

You're the one that tried stealing a rec from me on 2 ****ing 4 headsup. One to talk mate.

the problem for poker in general nowadays is that the edge of the top players to mediocre ones is maybe 1bigblind/100 in a 6 max game while a real fish is donating 10-30bigblinds/100 for each player, combine that with 5 bigblinds/100 rake per player at lower stakes and you can see why people try to bumhunt.
still 2/3 of omaha tables are probably unprofitable for any player at lower limits.

the games at higher limits are often better as rake is lower in bb and professional players shy away from gambling big sums without an edge.

Lol good one u dirty hoe, don't derail the thread, forced play coming soon mate hope u got a backup plan

Who are you on ps?