Has nobody mentioned we can check turn to slowplay? According to OP's analysis, he thinks AA and KK were part of villain's range. We can easily rep a 10 8 type hand turning into a bluff on the river when we check back turn. And yes it is good for pot control as well because what type of hands are going to proceed this turn that we have beat? A straight will, but probably will fold the river so we'll get one more street of value regardless.

it depends? once OP calls the 5k turn, with his image, villain knows what OP has, and villain will never try to fold out a full house on river. If villain bets river after OP calls turn, can we agree that there is 0.0% chance villain is bluffing? easy turn call river fold imo. The better question is what you would do if you were villain and hit quads? you lead or check turn?

never

best post about this hand yet.

effective stack sizes are $16,700 left going to the river if we call the 5k check raise. There will be $12,600 in the pot going to the river. he definetly during his 2 minute time thinking figure out how much to check raise as he would have definetly raised more than 5k going into the river to make a pot size bet all in on the river.

$6500 check raise would have made the pot $15,600 with $15,200 behind.

Seems like an all in is not going to occur with the pot size and stack sizes here, and if it did, i have no clue how to justify calling $16,200 here without some kind of soul read. Definetly poor line to get all the money in.

can we get results? or did i miss them?

he called turn c/r and folded to riverbet, guess he doesnt know villians hand

fwiw i would never ever be folding turn when villian takes this line

and where do u get this shenanigan information from?

i assume hes guessing since the guy hasnt said anything about the river play

Might as well post results here. I tanked and called the turn.

The river was an offs Queen and after little pause he shoved. I thought about it for several minutes and decided I couldn't fold against this opponent. After putting the chips in he sheepishly turned over A10hh. Kindda sick move by him which didn't work out this time.

kinda obv

gg.

sheeeeit. nice call OTR, friggin crazy scandis.

**** norwegians

i think this was a very good read of the villians thoughts about the heros hand except the hero didnt fold.

WP OP!

RBK and BW surely boiled this down to the absolute essence with regards to the turn play, but I do think that the river play is only for OP to answer; hence you had to be at the table.

I dont think it was a good read at all. How do you put someone on "the underest of underboats"? Euros never cease to amaze me.

i was quoting quAAdzillAA as the villian's thinking. I didnt say the villian made a good read. I said quAAdzillAA made a good read as to why villian did what he did before the results were posted.

Also this was a 400bb shove on the river and a 46k pot at $20/$40. Hero only beats a bluff with the underboat

I really wish you hadn't posted results yet. The discussion was getting v good. V sick hand , wp played by both. I really do like his bluff though. I think your call is a very difficult one. Reasons for calling river have to be determined based on many factors that you can't really explain that happen throughout the hand. Like when he 3 balled you on the flop how quickly did he do it. Someone mentioned something about the chips that he used on the turn when he raised, body language, etc.