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05-08-2010 , 11:32 PM

Minesony

centurion

Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 140

anyone grind these superturbo HUsngs on ftp?

i understand the varience can be quite crazy already, but im just curious since they lowered the rake and changed the buyin levels if these things are beatable also whats and achievable roi?

thanks

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05-08-2010 , 11:36 PM

ChicagoRy

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Common consensus among the people who have the best chance of knowing (in my opinion, mind you) is something like 3% ROI in these is achievable.

Rake lowers by % as you move up, so it shouldn't be drastically different, plus a lot of people probably have no idea about them and do things like 3x or open fold 50%+, but I'm not positive.

When Spamz self ban is up, ask him. I'll ask Primo and h2olga to weigh in too, I think they play a lot of them.

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05-08-2010 , 11:51 PM

ConcreteDonkey

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don't play them at low stakes imo, it causes too much of a decrease in edge and also the rake is higher

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05-08-2010 , 11:53 PM

ajloeffl

grinder

Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 634

I just started trying them out this week. After putting in over 400, I'll tell you they are nuts. People suck but there are so many flips that you get in. Your variance can be unbearable. I'll share a pic of my sharkscope pics to illustrate.

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05-09-2010 , 12:04 AM

ajloeffl

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Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 634

Another quick note. I am certainly sure they are beatable at $10's and higher but at really low ROI's so you need to grind a ton. And if you are prone to tilting at all, THEY WILL MAKE YOU TILT HARD

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05-09-2010 , 12:10 AM

ac on

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 3,622

Also, you need a goddamn huge bankroll for these if you're not crushing, assuming I've done this correctly:

E: I did do it incorrectly. Never mind.

Last edited by ac on; 05-09-2010 at 12:18 AM.

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05-09-2010 , 12:15 AM

badboyboogie0

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Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 2,420

dollar variance is not a problem because you're supposed to move down in stakes when you play those.
unless you have an unlimited bankroll or you'd like to go busto obv.

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05-15-2010 , 03:00 AM

curveballs

grinder

Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 546

What should the bankroll for these be? I built 50$ deposit into 1k from playing these. I'm still playing 20$ ones and the occasional 35$ one. Is 40-50 buyins the correct amount for these since they have pretty big variance?

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05-15-2010 , 04:03 AM

u cnat spel

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Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 1,964

I think it's hard to give out a "correct" bankroll answer because nobody really knows what kind of winrate to expect longterm.

I'd estimate you can get 2-3% ROI, so 40-50 should bring your risk of ruin near 0%. I didn't do any math though, so it might be off.

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05-15-2010 , 10:14 AM

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JSpazz

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I'd use at least 100 for starters coz edges are pretty small and it takes a good endgame to profit with 2% rake. You should prob re-eval your results after 1-2k games, not sure how long it takes to get a glimpse of your true ROI

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05-15-2010 , 10:25 AM

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mersenneary

Food = Love

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Be comfortable dropping 50BI. Don't assume you're a winner, check EV stats closely.

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05-15-2010 , 01:50 PM

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ajloeffl

grinder

Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 634

If you haven't had at least a 20 buyin if not 30 or more buyin downswing then you haven't played enough

I'd keep at least 100 buyins around so you feel comfortable.

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05-15-2010 , 02:26 PM

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Joe Pulaski

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one day, swongz are one thing. will never touch them again.. (lol how many times have i said that right?)

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05-15-2010 , 02:38 PM

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filthyvermin

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my lifetime avg stake is about $90 a game. a few weeks ago, i lost 11k in one day playing them. they are a dangerous dangerous game.

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05-15-2010 , 02:52 PM

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curveballs

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Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 546

So should I not play them? I've had big downswings, losing 30BI but have been able to grind it back up. Would I be better off going back to playing 6max SnGs? I profit in those and it would be very hard for me to lose it all with proper brm.

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05-15-2010 , 05:03 PM

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crimsonchin

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I have 3% roi over 1700 350-1k$ games of these, don't think thats an accurate sample yet though. I hate them for not being real poker but fairly brainless grinding, (and taking all the action from the normal games) but that makes them easy to multitab and there's a lot of action in them so probably making more in it then in my normal games.

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05-15-2010 , 05:41 PM

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ajloeffl

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Originally Posted by crimsonchin

How many tables do you play at a time? and how quick is getting in a game if you sit first?

I play $20s and it's instant action and I keep 3-4 tables up. I have a 5% roi over 1000+ games but it is probably unsustainable though. I think you need at least 10,000 games played for you to even know if you are really a winner lol

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05-15-2010 , 06:11 PM

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JSpazz

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crimson you're talking w/ or w/o RB+iron man?

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05-15-2010 , 06:12 PM

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ajloeffl

grinder

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Originally Posted by JSpazz

crimson you're talking w/ or w/o RB+iron man?

What all does iron man get you? I play on FTP but haven't gone out of my way to play a ton of days each month.

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05-15-2010 , 06:13 PM

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mersenneary

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Definitely be skeptical of your results in these, I highly recommend using EV software because this is not the game to be playing too long when you think you're a winner but you're not. And that's going to happen to a ton of people.

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05-15-2010 , 06:16 PM

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crimsonchin

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Originally Posted by JSpazz

crimson you're talking w/ or w/o RB+iron man?

hardly makes a difference

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05-15-2010 , 06:17 PM

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JSpazz

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yeah I suppose it doesn't when rake=1%

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05-15-2010 , 06:17 PM

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mersenneary

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Originally Posted by crimsonchin

hardly makes a difference

rb matters a lot especially for slightly lower stakes, iron man is generally useless.

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05-15-2010 , 06:27 PM

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JSpazz

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dunno much about iron man coz I don't play at FT (yet) but there is some Iron Man Plus thing that gets you bonus points or something when you earn over 500 FTP in a day

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05-15-2010 , 07:02 PM

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SleightOfJam

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They are the devil. Pennies compared to most but I busted my 1200 ft roll on them in 5 mins. Some douche with a clown avatar that kept rematching/owning my soul at the 164s. Ak vs kq nope 99 vs a9 nope 77 vs j9 after flopping a boat nope. Will have nightmares for the rest of my life. /rant

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