works fine for me right now, I assume this was a morning reset?

hey, I am getting into spin n gos and trying to improve at them but one thing ive noticed is that people often open limp in in the button or sb and I am wondering if this is really considered a good play?

Being primarily a cash game player i've always been under the impression that open limping in in the button or big blind is donkish play. Especially in the small blind since what you are essentially doing is paying for the player in the big blind to see the flop for free with any 2 cards, and then playing out of position against him.

However i've now seen a couple of videos from apparently decent players (like on the first page of this thread) where they are doing exactly that at spin n gos.

Could someone explain this? thanks

Is there any spinwiz update? Any news?

lol

baard said it is banned in any form or future version from "this company", so i guess not

"And we'll make an announcement as soon as we have concrete details.."
I guess not

Does anyone know how I can calculate my EVROI based on my chipEV but also without taking the 3 biggest multipliers (10000x, 200x and 100x) into account? For example, what's the $EVroi/game for winning 100 chips/game at 3$ spins (without 3 biggest multipliers)?

EVROI = (500+chipEV)/500 * 92.01% - 100%

For 100 chips it would be 10.42%

also has the sickest frisbee golf throw ive seen kev lives a sick life stoked for him good lad

R/f sucks and seeing flops for cheap is good. Not some spin expert but it comes down to these things afaik.

GTO will almost certainly have limping at all depths HU and 3 handed. Traditionally ppl in cash don't do it because of rake, and also how ppl played in general.

whrere is the 1M for 50c spin go ? big prize for last day ? \o

I don't think so.

Thanks! So roughly 30 cents/game?

Why 5s are still available ? It not should be end of promotion ?

50c and 5s not available anymore....instead the new 25c spins are introduced...yeah you guessed it....8% rake ftw

It was quite predictable because the rake on Spanish €0.25s was 8% too.

How are players supposed to work on building a roll and stay interested in the game when they're being raked so heavily at the micros?

Never understood that strategy, it doesn't seem to be the best way towards building a healthy ecosystem of long term players...

Nothing really else possible... 4%, 8% or 12%. So 8% is the obvious choice

Surely in this example at least most fish are going to lose their $20 deposit at 25c spins in a very similar timeframe whether the rake is 7% or 8%.

Also it's not like someone at those stakes couldn't spend a few (6-50) hours watching videos and reading forums and be beating that rake right? Though maybe I underestimate how hard is to go from new player to beating micros.

In general though I don't think spins, especially micros spins are being marketed as a game you can beat consistently and go pro in, they offer other formats for that. Spins are about punting around and hopefully hitting a jackpot while playing fast fun poker without being targeted by pros.

They're not raked that heavily on average because mission prizes generally give back a decent % of their (tiny) rake (that said, those rewards come with a lot of variance, especially all-in shootouts and scratch cards, but that's what most targeted recs like, there's nothing to do about that). Not tonight, though; tonight is the milestone hand night, but there will likely be some Spin days on the Christmas Calendar.

No one at that stakes cares or knows what rake is, let alone in well disguised raked format. And they rely on variance anyway to get you hooked with this particular format, not on someone possibly building a roll just with long grinding. And we already established that they actually don't like anyone with the ability to build a roll, so it all makes sense from their point of view. The term healthy ecosystem suggests winners. Winners are not welcome.

I remember caring a lot about rake. When I started poker I was really dissuaded from playing cash since the % rake at the micros is so huge for cash. Rake actually increases as you move up from 2nl.

So I started with SNGs. Still I never played the 1$+20c sngs as the % rake was so high.

Easy to say now- but imo it's quite hard to beat 8% rake in spin and goes for a beginner. I doubt I was good enough to beat hu hypers at 1.5s after a few months. It is true tho that there is more good info available now for a new player compared to before tho.

I cared about rake too.

But I wasn't talking about if I cared about rake, I was talking about the impact on the poker ecology, which PS has heavily marketed as their reasoning behind recent changes.

I'd imagine that a lot of players are close in skill so the rake is going to make a real difference overall on how long the average player lasts, and that has been a major focal point of the language we're hearing out of PS lately.

It's a good point that spin rake is more disguised, however, whether or not rake is disguised, it is still charged just the same, and eats into bankrolls just the same.

only 1 mega for 100s now