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02-04-2016 , 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Broeder Tuck
I have a question about the "net expected chips won" line on PT4 because this is often referred as your EV. But how reliable is this EV when it just shows you your all-in equity?

For example, when I'm heads up and my opponent has like 7-8 bb and I'm shoving pretty wide because he's folding quite some hands, sooner or later he calls me with probably a better hand but is down to let's say 3-4 bb. This will give me negative chipEV while in reality I've made him fold till he's only got half his stack and still i have for example a 40% chance of winning the hand. Even if I lose, he's only at his starting hu stack so that's a good thing right? But based on the chipEV line, this will probably be a losing play right?

I know there's also the "chips won without showdown" line but I don't know how that should be implemented into the expected winrate chipwise. Or is that impossible?

Because where I'm trying to get at, is that I use my "net expected chips won" line (all-in equity) to calculate my expected winrate in $$ but I'm starting to doubt that this is as accurate as I thought it would be.

Any help on this would be very welcome.

Everytime you opened and your opponent folded, those chips you gained were added in your expected chips won. This stat is the sum of your non-showdown winnings + luck adjusted showdown winnings.
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02-04-2016 , 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by RankLocally
Thanks..I'm running PT4... complete noob to the software and these forums so yeah if you could grab it that would be great.
PM ur skype or add me il flick u the stat mate GL
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02-05-2016 , 04:34 AM
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02-05-2016 , 08:21 AM




Guys i wanted to share my start of the 15s with you after my smooth 7 sample. i recreated the Himalaya range in my start of the 15s so far....Guess its gonna be drinkin beer tonight!
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02-05-2016 , 08:45 AM
Variance huh, beautiful ain't it.

Nice crushing at 7s though. You'll be just fine!
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02-09-2016 , 03:22 PM
I ask because I'm considering moving to somewhere to grind spins and live it up:

Are there particular countries/timezones where a spin grinder living there is going to face tougher competition on average if he plays in the afternoon (say noon-4pm)? Same question but at night (say 8pm-midnight)?

For a while I was thinking Thailand but I think I recall reading that SE Asia players face the toughest traffic (although I don't know at what times of the day) - can anyone confirm or deny?

Still trying to decide the best place to go for a spin grinder.

I realize this could go in one of the travel forums but I'm curious specifically regarding spins as that's all I play.
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02-09-2016 , 04:11 PM
That's an interesting question! Are you satisfied with the traffic that you face living in Canada? (I can't give an expert opinion because I'm barely playing, and it's just my irrational avoidance of fellow Russians, Belarusians and Ukrainians that makes me hate playing until European night, but the problem is that they fail to go to bed even then.)

Also, it depends on whether you're going to play at ROW sites or on WPN. I'd like to hear opinions about the best hours for both options.
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02-09-2016 , 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by coon74
That's an interesting question! Are you satisfied with the traffic that you face living in Canada? (I can't give an expert opinion because I'm barely playing, and it's just my irrational avoidance of fellow Russians, Belarusians and Ukrainians that makes me hate playing until European night, but the problem is that they fail to go to bed even then.)

Also, it depends on whether you're going to play at ROW sites or on WPN. I'd like to hear opinions about the best hours for both options.
I'm not sure what ROW is - I play on stars.com

Yes, the competition I face is quite soft. Even a lot of the 5 and 6 star players are not so impressive, either because they're playing tilted poker or are flat out donks. But I would hate to move to another country only to discover that my success in spins is due largely to the particular timezone I'm currently living in. My desire to go to another country is not because of the traffic I'm currently facing but because I'm in need of excitement (currently at the coldest part of Canadian winter) and motivation (still living with the parents and therefore have minimal expenses; plus I would like to make poker friends, which is hard to do in Ottawa).
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02-09-2016 , 04:34 PM
What times of the day do you play at? Mornings?

Yes, I'm afraid your profitability does depend on what time zone you're in. I've been semi-seriously considering switching between Fiji and (Western) Samoa to this end. That's if you don't speak Spanish at a passable level, otherwise Latin America is at your disposal.

Note that, though Belize technically has English as the official language, it's a poor option for online grinding because internet communication there is atrocious and expensive. The same probably applies to the Bahamas (which are rather expensive to live in, to make things worse).

In order to make poker friends, you don't need to emigrate, it suffices to move to Whistler (BC) where regs congregate.

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I'm not sure what ROW is
It stands for 'the rest of the world' and is a term used by Americans to refer to all the countries outside the US.

Last edited by coon74; 02-09-2016 at 04:48 PM. Reason: Whistler, Belize mentions
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02-09-2016 , 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by coon74
What times of the day do you play at? Mornings?

Yes, I'm afraid your profitability does depend on what time zone you're in. I've been semi-seriously considering switching between Fiji and (Western) Samoa to this end. That's if you don't speak Spanish at a passable level, otherwise Latin America is at your disposal.

It stands for 'the rest of the world' and is a term used by Americans to refer to all the countries outside the US.
I typically play somewhere in noon-4pm or 8pm-midnight/
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02-09-2016 , 04:55 PM
Yeah, that's also when a big part of my volume has been; I haven't really tried to play much before ET noon, partly because the traffic is poor at euro sites at those times, and on those rare occasions when I did try it (mainly when I was playing PLO), I didn't like the reg-to-fish ratio.

I also didn't like the ratio after ET midnight because that's when Latin fish go to bed but the Whistler, Rosarito, Playa del Carmen, Jacó and Escazú reg 'mafias' stay awake and continue putting volume in, whereas Russians have already woken up. Maybe it has changed now that there's no SNE carrot.

Last edited by coon74; 02-09-2016 at 05:07 PM.
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02-10-2016 , 02:36 AM
Nanonoko said he needed to win the game. Can you tell I'm still kind of raw about the VIP changes?

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PokerStars Hand #148544055463: Tournament #1473449472, $95+$5 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level III (20/40) - 2016/02/09 22:23:15 PT [2016/02/10 1:23:15 ET]
Table '1473449472 1' 3-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: currrr14 (765 in chips)
Seat 2: nanonoko (413 in chips)
Seat 3: abarone68 (322 in chips)
abarone68: posts small blind 20
currrr14: posts big blind 40
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to abarone68 [3c 5d]
nanonoko: folds
abarone68 said, "I need to win it more than you"
abarone68 said, "Need to recoup the $40k RB that was stolen from me"

abarone68: folds
Uncalled bet (20) returned to currrr14
currrr14 collected 40 from pot
currrr14: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 40 | Rake 0
Seat 1: currrr14 (big blind) collected (40)
Seat 2: nanonoko (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: abarone68 (small blind) folded before Flop
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02-10-2016 , 03:59 AM
I'm here purely to whine.

I've lost 16 straight 10x spin n gos now in 3s/7s. I need a hug. Why is life so cruel.
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02-10-2016 , 06:42 AM
*hug*
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02-10-2016 , 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by acbarone
PokerStars Hand #148544055463: Tournament #1473449472, $95+$5 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level III (20/40) - 2016/02/09 22:23:15 PT [2016/02/10 1:23:15 ET]
Table '1473449472 1' 3-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: currrr14 (765 in chips)
Seat 2: nanonoko (413 in chips)
Seat 3: abarone68 (322 in chips)
abarone68: posts small blind 20
currrr14: posts big blind 40
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to abarone68 [3c 5d]
nanonoko: folds
abarone68 said, "I need to win it more than you"
abarone68 said, "Need to recoup the $40k RB that was stolen from me"

abarone68: folds
Uncalled bet (20) returned to currrr14
currrr14 collected 40 from pot
currrr14: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 40 | Rake 0
Seat 1: currrr14 (big blind) collected (40)
Seat 2: nanonoko (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: abarone68 (small blind) folded before Flop
http://www.twitch.tv/nanonoko/v/43014728 ( 1:35:30)

Lol he didn't saw the "Need to recoup the $40k RB that was stolen from me" part ..at least you got a friend of the stream tag
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02-10-2016 , 08:40 AM
Is 3,500 sample at 3,5s with 55chip per game enough to move up to 7s? What sample is good? How tough is 7s for my level of play?
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02-10-2016 , 09:42 AM
Yes, seems good. Although your ITM quote would be interesting to know as well. You should have no problems transitioning to 7s though. Play is still quite atrocious there.


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02-10-2016 , 10:13 AM
I would have never thought that, at stakes as low as $100, nanonoko would be regarded the fish of the table, for lack of better options
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02-10-2016 , 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by coon74
I would have never thought that, at stakes as low as $100, nanonoko would be regarded the fish of the table, for lack of better options
<25bb HU/3 handed play is much different from 100bb 6max+ play
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02-10-2016 , 11:28 AM
I know, but I assume that a pro will never enter an unfamiliar format without learning at least its basics, especially if streaming. He must be less spewy than an average recreational (I've never bothered to watch his stream, though).

It's the reg-infestation that I was whining about.
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02-10-2016 , 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by coon74
I know, but I assume that a pro will never sit down without learning at least the basics of a format. He must be less spewy than an average fish (I've never bothered to watch his stream, though).
He's less spewey than the fish, he's less solid fundamentally than even the worse regs and doesn't understand some pretty well established things about the format/doesn't seem to know what ranges people play from each spot etc.

Not dissing him because it's obviously not his main game, but he's probably -EV in 100s and games with another 'reg' at 60s.
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02-10-2016 , 11:33 AM
Well, if Stars pay him to promote Spins on the stream, then he doesn't have to be good to be +EV.
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02-10-2016 , 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by FRITTE
Yes, seems good. Although your ITM quote would be interesting to know as well. You should have no problems transitioning to 7s though. Play is still quite atrocious there.


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Thanks
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02-10-2016 , 04:07 PM
Hello,

Is there a free script around for handling the registration pop up on stars or free program? None of the older ones I am aware of seem to work.

Thanks
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02-10-2016 , 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by sheeprustler
Hello,

Is there a free script around for handling the registration pop up on stars or free program? None of the older ones I am aware of seem to work.

Thanks
ctrl+s
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