***** Beginner's Questions Thread ***** - Page 5 - Heads Up SNG and Spin and Gos -- Two Plus Two Poker Forums

1) I apparently, don't improve, I get worse.
2) I actually don't want to say too much about this because people who limp vs. me throw away a lot of money and sadly, people have been figuring out who I am.
3) If you're going to 3bet that hand with those stacks it should be after you already know some things about villain. Since it's early on, it seems like calling is better than 3betting. If you do 3bet though, I like your 3bet size. On that flop, you should probably c/f.

wow skates saying cold call 88. never ever thought i'd live to see the day

07-28-2008 , 04:11 PM

#102

TheSuperuser

journeyman

Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 283

what is your shoving/calling range in OP preflop if villain reraises you oftenly OOP, how your range changes if ?:
a) u think that he will fold a lot if you shove
b) his shove calling range is wide

Ty for answers Skates

07-28-2008 , 05:07 PM

#103

skweek

newbie

Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 34

i'm sure that super turbo hu are more profitable than just turbo...(exist on ipoker, i don't know for the others rooms)

what do you think about that?

lot of "super" fish even at high stakes.

less edge and more variance but with good strategy at 50/100 blind and your $ by hours increase.

-guaranted without regular
-fishs who tilt prefer super turbo
-they are very very fast
-disconnection problem cost a lot to a fish
-more trafic at middle stakes?

structure:

10/20 2 minutes
20/40
30/60
50/100
100/200
150/300

07-28-2008 , 05:35 PM

#104

Colm

journeyman

Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 368

just wanted to say thanks for this thread, i find these threads invaluable.

07-28-2008 , 05:37 PM

#105

ChicagoRy

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 20,589

Quote:

Originally Posted by skates

3) If you're going to 3bet that hand with those stacks it should be after you already know some things about villain. Since it's early on, it seems like calling is better than 3betting. If you do 3bet though, I like your 3bet size. On that flop, you should probably c/f.

The world is ending, you are advocating flatting 88 preflop.

07-28-2008 , 06:32 PM

#106

skates

veteran

Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 2,111

HOLD ON GUYS! It was a $22+1... I'm just guessing that players are pretty loose there and that you don't have as much folding equity as you do at higher stakes. Come on, do you think I will ever flat 88? Pshhhh...

07-28-2008 , 07:03 PM

#107

Micky08

adept

Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,002

What % of hands do you limp from the SB in HU SNG's? I was watching a few videos by someone called trujm on PokerStars and he was limping about 80%+ of hands. I thought he was a bad player at the start but then I had a look at his sharkscope graph and he's got a very consistent graph. Is there much benefit to limping or is raising the most profitable play? Obviously against different opponents different strategies should be used but generally I mean.

07-28-2008 , 07:59 PM

#108

skates

veteran

Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 2,111

He plays $55 reg speeds, no? That's prob how he gets away with it? I dunno. If you limp almost every hand vs. me you're prob gonna get eaten.

I don't limp unless a player gives me a reason to.

07-28-2008 , 08:08 PM

#109

szamvan

grinder

Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 676

you can own a lot of ppl by limping a lot tho.

07-28-2008 , 09:28 PM

#110

Godlike

grinder

Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 475

Quote:

Originally Posted by szamvan

you can own a lot of ppl by limping a lot tho.

I love playing limpers personally. Thanks for the advice pushing22, I'll probably play it safe.

07-28-2008 , 09:36 PM

#111

szamvan

grinder

Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 676

Quote:

Originally Posted by Godlike

I love playing limpers personally. Thanks for the advice pushing22, I'll probably play it safe.

lol at using the word "limper" like a synonym of "fish". If u never limp u are basically leaving a ton of money on the table imo. Yeah and most if not all really good players have limping in their arsenal.

07-28-2008 , 09:40 PM

#112

Godlike

grinder

Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 475

Quote:

Originally Posted by szamvan

I'm not saying I dont limp but it's not a part of my standard game.

07-28-2008 , 10:30 PM

#113

ChicagoRy

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 20,589

Quote:

Originally Posted by szamvan

You also leave a lot of money on the table by only limping or limping most of your hands.

It ends up being ok in the lower levels bc a lot of the edge is just ******s stacking off postflop with bottom pair or overshove bluffing an insanely high %, so if you limp, minraise or 3x raise PF in those earlier levels (especially in reg speeds) you'll still win a super high % if you're good postflop.

07-28-2008 , 10:59 PM

#114

szamvan

grinder

Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 676

Obviously its all villain-dependent, but there are a ton of players against whom not limping ever is like criminal. I think this is something that is really under-valued here.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChicagoRy

You also leave a lot of money on the table by only limping or limping most of your hands.

I never advocated anything like that, and I don't think there is anybody against whom a 100/0 (or any 0% PFR) strategy would be optimal.

edit: lol at "Beginner's Questions" slowly transitioning into a hardcore theory thread

07-28-2008 , 11:51 PM

#115

jay_shark

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 3,655

Quote:

Originally Posted by szamvan

Obviously its all villain-dependent, but there are a ton of players against whom not limping ever is like criminal. I think this is something that is really under-valued here.

I agree with you.

There are several world class limit hold em bots that have a perfect balance between limping, raising, check-raising and there is nothing you can do to exploit it. The same type of strategy can be extended and applied to NL. If used correctly, it can be very difficult for your opponent to gain an advantage over you.

07-29-2008 , 01:49 AM

#116

Panaphonic

journeyman

Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 282

Quote:

Originally Posted by skweek

been there, tried that, went back to turbo's. 2-table them and you'll have a fine hourly rate without your sanity suffering. and fyi, the regs only start getting worth avoiding at $210, and the occasional one at the $105's

07-29-2008 , 02:25 AM

#117

Godlike

grinder

Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 475

Quote:

Originally Posted by Panaphonic

the 100s and 200s have been the easiest for me. I had the most trouble in the 50s and 80s. I almost always open new games though and avoid most regs unless I can destroy their style.

07-29-2008 , 02:36 AM

#118

Panaphonic

journeyman

Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 282

Quote:

Originally Posted by Godlike

the 100s and 200s have been the easiest for me. I had the most trouble in the 50s and 80s. I almost always open new games though and avoid most regs unless I can destroy their style.

i got through that part of BR management in about 2 days, so i wouldnt know

i have problems with regs @$200+, but double digit roi in the $100's - for me there is quite a difference between the 2 levels

07-29-2008 , 02:39 AM

#119

Trankuility

His name was Lola

Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,885

After reading all the articles here, posting HH's, watching videos and such...I'm still breakeven after about 150 games at the $10 HUSNG's.

Any tips on how to finally start beating these stakes? I feel like I should be beating this level already but apparently that's not happening! hah.

07-29-2008 , 02:41 AM

#120

Godlike

grinder

Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 475

Quote:

Originally Posted by Panaphonic

i got through that part of BR management in about 2 days, so i wouldnt know

i have problems with regs @$200+, but double digit roi in the $100's - for me there is quite a difference between the 2 levels

I have 15% roi at the 100s over a decent sample. I won the only 5 games I played at the 200s but I'm probably going to stay at the 100s since I'm not rly rolled for 200s right now. I rly rly want to keep playing the 200s though.

07-29-2008 , 03:01 AM

#121

Panaphonic

journeyman

Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 282

Quote:

Originally Posted by Godlike

you will meet semi decent ppl there. i have banned myself from the $200's till my roll hits $10k again (vegas took its toll). Also, be prepared for your roi to half itsself, so take your time to build your roll up to when you can 2-table them easily

07-29-2008 , 03:03 AM

#122

pushing22

old hand

Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,716

Quote:

Originally Posted by szamvan

i went through a phase where I limped but I stopped. I just open 80-100% of my buttons. i do think optimal play includes some limping, but its a lot easier to play well by just raising. however, i was watching genius28 play last night and he limps so maybe i should rethink

07-29-2008 , 10:23 AM

#123

LordMushroom2

adept

Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 852

Quote:

Originally Posted by skweek

i'm sure that super turbo hu are more profitable than just turbo...(exist on ipoker, i don't know for the others rooms)

I thind these interesting too, but I haven´t played them. Can you provide ROI and sample-sizes for all the HU SNG buy-ins you have played there?

07-29-2008 , 12:13 PM

#124

skweek

newbie

Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 34

panaphonic what do you think of level on ipoker?

@lord

i have played super turbo when i started husng at 10$ with just 120$(rest of rakeback cash game), upp quickly and broke quickly.

they are very funny.

actually, i don't want to play sng turbo, because i don't know the rules of bankeroll management for this type of husng, i think i have i must learn a lot at high level blind,and finally i think otpimal strategy and skills to win superturbo are different from turbo husng, but i don't know which strategy adopt.

07-29-2008 , 12:25 PM

#125

skates

veteran

Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 2,111

omg, super turbo on stars would make me so so so so so so so so so so so so so happy. I'd be back to being a $115 grinder, 40 games/hr would be so hotttttttt.

Page 5 of 213

First

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 15 25 55 105 205

Last

Closed Thread Subscribe

...

Page 5 of 213

First

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 15 25 55 105 205

Last