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01-19-2009 , 11:53 AM
I generally give a "have to go in 5" warning, but otherwise nothing stops you from getting up. Obviously if you leave right after a hand where you suck out on him, it'll look bad. But you don't owe anyone anything.
01-19-2009 , 04:22 PM
I just ended a crazy session against a total maniac. he 3bet 50% and was always firing at least two barrels. NEVER folded to a 4bet no matter what, either shoving with a wide range or flatting.

how do you adjust? 4bet bluffing is not an option, widening 4bet value range def is but it's hard to find hands I'm comfortable getting it in especially because as you can imagine it's kinda easy to get deep in this sort of match. same goes for trapping, it's just too hard to flop a pair and call him down as he'll just make money from the times I miss + the times he just keeps firing and the board gets ugly and you just can't call.

I ended up limp/calling decent hands trying to keep the pot size manageable, while still raise/4betting big hands as he was never ever folding. he adjusted by raising 10xbb+ my limps. thoughts?
01-19-2009 , 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by asdrubale
I just ended a crazy session against a total maniac. he 3bet 50% and was always firing at least two barrels. NEVER folded to a 4bet no matter what, either shoving with a wide range or flatting.

how do you adjust? 4bet bluffing is not an option, widening 4bet value range def is but it's hard to find hands I'm comfortable getting it in especially because as you can imagine it's kinda easy to get deep in this sort of match. same goes for trapping, it's just too hard to flop a pair and call him down as he'll just make money from the times I miss + the times he just keeps firing and the board gets ugly and you just can't call.

I ended up limp/calling decent hands trying to keep the pot size manageable, while still raise/4betting big hands as he was never ever folding. he adjusted by raising 10xbb+ my limps. thoughts?
Limp more, and open up your calling range...but most importantly, valuebet him like crazy. Also, whenever I play an aggro monkey like that, I try to trap them. They often go total ape**** if you show weakness, and will 3 or 4-bet, or do stupid all-in bluffs, to "scare you out of the pot" with weak hands or even total air. So the best course of action is to fake weakness to make 'em do stupid bluffs if you have an actual hand. It doesn't need to be a great hand, against someone who's 3 betting 50% and raising limps to 10BB...

Don't get into a 3 and 4-betting war! Too much luck involved in that, and it sucks if you run card dead at the same time.
01-19-2009 , 05:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by asdrubale
I just ended a crazy session against a total maniac. he 3bet 50% and was always firing at least two barrels. NEVER folded to a 4bet no matter what, either shoving with a wide range or flatting.

how do you adjust? 4bet bluffing is not an option, widening 4bet value range def is but it's hard to find hands I'm comfortable getting it in especially because as you can imagine it's kinda easy to get deep in this sort of match. same goes for trapping, it's just too hard to flop a pair and call him down as he'll just make money from the times I miss + the times he just keeps firing and the board gets ugly and you just can't call.

I ended up limp/calling decent hands trying to keep the pot size manageable, while still raise/4betting big hands as he was never ever folding. he adjusted by raising 10xbb+ my limps. thoughts?
If you aren't comfortable 4betting him then flat call the 3bets and let him play the huge pots OOP with his crappy hands. His 3betting should be doing most of the work for you. As far as 4betting goes, you should be much more comfortable 4betting him knowing that his 3betting range is 50% of his hands. You don't need AA/KK to do it.

I'd experiment with both against him and see which one he responds to worse.
01-19-2009 , 05:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by asdrubale
I just ended a crazy session against a total maniac. he 3bet 50% and was always firing at least two barrels. NEVER folded to a 4bet no matter what, either shoving with a wide range or flatting.

how do you adjust? 4bet bluffing is not an option, widening 4bet value range def is but it's hard to find hands I'm comfortable getting it in especially because as you can imagine it's kinda easy to get deep in this sort of match. same goes for trapping, it's just too hard to flop a pair and call him down as he'll just make money from the times I miss + the times he just keeps firing and the board gets ugly and you just can't call.

I ended up limp/calling decent hands trying to keep the pot size manageable, while still raise/4betting big hands as he was never ever folding. he adjusted by raising 10xbb+ my limps. thoughts?
1. Limp re-raise
2. Call his raises of your limps lightly. You have position through the whole hand.

I wouldn't get into to 3-betting/4-betting war with this guy as someone mentioned.
01-19-2009 , 05:34 PM
I've seen him shove over my 4bet with A9o and KQ. So I decided it was ok to 4bet/call AJ+, TT+ while 100BB deep. When it goes deep though 4betting sucks really bad because he would flat a lot and you have to play guessing games when you don't hit the flop against a range of basically any two.

about calling 3bets, it's not as easy as it sounds, as I'm 4betting most hands that can flop strong so most of my flatting range is going to flop stuff like second pair /weak top pair hands and just too often the board will get too ugly for me to call down my whole stack with those hands. Not to mention most of the time I simply don't flop anything and can't do anything about it, as he was always barrelling and unfloatable etc
01-19-2009 , 05:48 PM
also about limpreraising, there's no point in it because it's not like he would care. I can still very easily get my stack in with huge hands by raise/4betting and a limpreraise would simply get flatted or shoved over just like a 4bet (I tried), so a lrr bluff would be suicidal.
01-19-2009 , 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by asdrubale
I've seen him shove over my 4bet with A9o and KQ. So I decided it was ok to 4bet/call AJ+, TT+ while 100BB deep. When it goes deep though 4betting sucks really bad because he would flat a lot and you have to play guessing games when you don't hit the flop against a range of basically any two.

about calling 3bets, it's not as easy as it sounds, as I'm 4betting most hands that can flop strong so most of my flatting range is going to flop stuff like second pair /weak top pair hands and just too often the board will get too ugly for me to call down my whole stack with those hands. Not to mention most of the time I simply don't flop anything and can't do anything about it, as he was always barrelling and unfloatable etc
AJ+ TT+ is 5.9% of hands. I don't see why it is so hard to call the other ~55% you are raising when he is 3betting you 50% and you are in position. It sounds like you just aren't adjusting to his range at all. If he is stacking off on basically every 3bet pot then middle pair should be a MONSTER for you. If he isn't that crazy aggressive postflop then you should be able to just pot control it to a showdown. There is no way for him to be stacking off every hand and still have a range that is beating you when you hit the flop.
01-19-2009 , 08:29 PM
If he 3bets 50% of hands, you need to widen your calling range. Just some food for thought, his 3bet range at 50% might includes such as Q7o!! You really don't need TPTK or better to be ahead of most of his range...

01-19-2009 , 08:53 PM
If he 3bets 50% you should relish the chance to play at least 50% of your hands in a 3bet pot with position. You are going to value-cut yourself sometimes because he will obv make top pair+ sometimes, but shoving 2nd pair on a drawy board if he donks into you 100% will show a huge profit, both from the times he folds and the times he calls with a gutshot or some other crap that is way behind in this huge pot but now has the odds to call it off.
01-19-2009 , 09:15 PM
What percentage of people do you think at $50NL are on 2+2 and reading books to improve their game? Also I am not saying that you must post on 2+2 or read any books to be a good player.

Thanks for all of your responses in advance.
01-19-2009 , 09:54 PM
What's the smallest stakes hu cash games offered and on what site? I've played HU from NL50-NL1000, but never properly rolled, just taking shots. I sat yesterday on FTP at an NL50 table and ran it up to $200 then won another $100 today, but I know if I hit a bad streak I could easily lose that all and I'd rather drop down if there are any lower stakes and build up a proper roll.
01-19-2009 , 11:38 PM
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Originally Posted by ejs462
What's the smallest stakes hu cash games offered and on what site? I've played HU from NL50-NL1000, but never properly rolled, just taking shots. I sat yesterday on FTP at an NL50 table and ran it up to $200 then won another $100 today, but I know if I hit a bad streak I could easily lose that all and I'd rather drop down if there are any lower stakes and build up a proper roll.
the precise answer to your question is: 0.01$/0.02$ blinds on ipoker.
01-20-2009 , 12:43 AM
Standard daily swings? How many games per day 2 tabling? Good sample size?
HUSNGS BTW
01-20-2009 , 05:30 AM
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Originally Posted by SngStaker
Standard daily swings? How many games per day 2 tabling? Good sample size?
HUSNGS BTW
Depends how many games you are playing per day. Completely dependent on the person, probably 15-100. I believe 2200 games gives you a 95% certainty that you are within 1% of your ROI.
01-20-2009 , 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by xSCWx
Depends how many games you are playing per day. Completely dependent on the person, probably 15-100. I believe 2200 games gives you a 95% certainty that you are within 1% of your ROI.
15-100 standard swings?
01-20-2009 , 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by SngStaker
15-100 standard swings?
Sorry, 15-100 games per day 2 tabling. I should have made that a little clearer.
01-21-2009 , 12:11 AM
This is a insta snap fold right? (I'm currently really bad at folding TP)

Full Tilt Poker $6 + $0.25 Heads Up No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t15/t30 Blinds - 2 players - View hand 13565
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BTN/SB: t1410 M = 31.33
Hero (BB): t1590 M = 35.33

Pre Flop: (t45) Hero is BB with Q T
BTN/SB raises to t90, Hero calls t60

Flop: (t180) 4 8 T (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB checks

Turn: (t180) 2 (2 players)
Hero bets t120, BTN/SB calls t120

River: (t420) 3 (2 players)
Hero bets t240, BTN/SB raises to t1200 all in
01-21-2009 , 12:49 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SngStaker
Standard daily swings? How many games per day 2 tabling? Good sample size?
HUSNGS BTW
ASHDFASDASDFAETHSFG not a big downswing but have to purge my ****ing angerrRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR. Today I got out outdrawn like I dunno how many times. Monkeys 2 outed me 2 times. Bad beat like 10 times when they dominated, I thought like AT vs A5 I was always underdog and few times lost full house vs straight vs flush, me on the bad side of course Anyway I had a straight flush today. That still doesn't compensate for all of those above!!!!!!!
01-21-2009 , 12:55 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by theycallhimtom
This is a insta snap fold right? (I'm currently really bad at folding TP)

Full Tilt Poker $6 + $0.25 Heads Up No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t15/t30 Blinds - 2 players - View hand 13565
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BTN/SB: t1410 M = 31.33
Hero (BB): t1590 M = 35.33

Pre Flop: (t45) Hero is BB with Q T
BTN/SB raises to t90, Hero calls t60

Flop: (t180) 4 8 T (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB checks

Turn: (t180) 2 (2 players)
Hero bets t120, BTN/SB calls t120

River: (t420) 3 (2 players)
Hero bets t240, BTN/SB raises to t1200 all in
Tough. Don't get yourself in that trouble too often by simply CBetting the flop. You had the top pair. Don't slowplay it. There are times, but this time it is very vulnerable. I dunno, I almost always call without reads, but at the same time I don't get myself into troubles like this very often, so I have no problems with that . But as you can see I sucked today a lot and can't help myself for now
01-22-2009 , 12:06 AM
how can he cbet when he's the one defending oop? I'd probably end up folding if I wasn't tilting and find a better spot. Depends alot on the player also..

btw, what is a degen???

actually I just noticed how small you bet on the river.. makes it more likely he's bluffing especially if he's an aggressive player
01-22-2009 , 01:42 AM
I play 6-max but every once in a while the table is reduced to hu. My opponents are usually loose passive pf and limps a lot of buttons. Oop I often feel that simply raising with any two cards and betting the flop doesn´t really generate much FE. You can make adjustments post flop of course but I am looking for level 1 abc play.

So I usually just raise with cards that flop well like KTo and simply check behind a lot of good hands, even such pretty hands as small pairs, scs and Axo. And I really don´t mix it up much, if a hand relies on FE like 67s I basically never raise with it. My thinking is that I am excercising pot control keeping the pot small with marginal holdings oop. Is my thinking way off here?

Obv I play totally different from the button. Also if I happen to end up oop in 6max it is a totally different dynamic and all kinds of holdings play reasonably well, it seems like hu breeds paranoia in my opponents. Is it me who hasn´t adjusted or is it ok to play more passive pf oop when hu?
01-22-2009 , 02:42 AM
Cheers guys just finished reading this thread, start to finish. Somewhere along the way I read some great tips which solved some massive leaks in my game and I saw some great results pretty quickly. Hope its not just running hot.
I play 5$ HU speed and moving slowly onto all 10$ games. I'll see if this winrate continues over a larger sample.

(ps. the crossed out spike is just sharkscope misinterpretting some phase ladder style game that i was messing around on)

01-22-2009 , 05:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Knifey
Cheers guys just finished reading this thread, start to finish. Somewhere along the way I read some great tips which solved some massive leaks in my game and I saw some great results pretty quickly. Hope its not just running hot.
I play 5$ HU speed and moving slowly onto all 10$ games. I'll see if this winrate continues over a larger sample.

(ps. the crossed out spike is just sharkscope misinterpretting some phase ladder style game that i was messing around on)

Sick graph, obv insane improvement man. Congrats, keep up the hard/good work!
01-22-2009 , 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by SngStaker
Standard daily swings? How many games per day 2 tabling? Good sample size?
HUSNGS BTW
That completely depends on the person. LAG player will have probably pretty decent downswings, i usually go for a more passive line and my downswings are very small (can't say for sure because over 1000 games 70% are PLO8, not holdem. But overall i never had more than 5 buy-in downswings).

I would say maybe 10 buy-in's can happen on a decent sample for decent players. Very good players probably don't lose more than 6-7 buy-in on a decent sample. Of course that on larger samples (>1000 or >2000 something like that) it will happen 10 buy-in's downswings to good players also and maybe 15-20 or even 30 to decent players.

      
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