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01-19-2011 , 01:49 PM
would anyone link me to a standard call oop to min raises and x3 pre-flop? i know theres not one "right" answear and you have to adjust to playstyle stack sizes etc.

Last edited by YYY; 01-19-2011 at 01:57 PM.
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01-19-2011 , 03:21 PM
Start from between:

22+, A2s+, K7s+, Q8s+, J8s+, 86s+, 65s+, A8o+, K9o+, Q9o+, J9o+, T9o, 98o, 87o

to:

22+, A2s+, K2s+, Q5s+, J7s+, T7s+, 58s+, 46s+, 45s, A2o+, K6o+, Q8o+, J8o+, 79o+, 67o
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01-19-2011 , 04:49 PM
I was just curious how many husng's your average $2-$10 grinder plays per day. Does 50-100 seem like an average number? Too many? Thanks for your input.
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01-19-2011 , 04:58 PM
pretty sure the average is like 300/month, so yes, 100/day is A LOT, but gjdm, keep it up
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01-19-2011 , 05:05 PM
I used to play those until recently. I think I'd played 10-20 games a day, sometimes a bit more than that, and then moved up as I became confident that I am beating $6 and $11. Playing 50-100 games a day at these levels sounds a bit too exhausting to me, I mean it should do a good job for putting a lot of volume, but you might just wanna move up as quickly as possible and then play fewer games for similar (or more) money.

Also, playing 50-100 games a day almost certainly requires multi-tabling, which decreases your ROI, so if you're good enough to beat those stakes and move up, your ROI at new level won't necessarily be that much lower than that at old level, and you'd prolly make the same or more money by playing, say, 20 games at $22 rather than 50 games at $6.
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01-19-2011 , 05:08 PM
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pretty sure the average is like 300/month, so yes, 100/day is A LOT, but gjdm, keep it up
on microstakes 300/month is def (too) easy.
600/700 should def be doable without having to grind too much (unless bumhunting)
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01-19-2011 , 05:12 PM
50 games/day is very possible if you're multitabling turbos @ micros.
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01-19-2011 , 05:13 PM
ahh interesting. i don't actually play that many a day but i'd like to start grinding the 4 person HU sng's on FT around the 10 buck range. Is 2-tabling really going to decrease my roi at all?

in my experience they are around 20 mins each, so 50 a day 2-tabling would be around 8 hours (too much haha) so maybe 25 a day would work better.

and mela, is moving up as soon as possible really important? i mean i am kind of a gigantic nit, i like to have 500 buy ins for sit and gos haha, what would you say is a better number? 150... 250?
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01-19-2011 , 05:30 PM
Is it so standard for superturbos?



It's just 3 sessions but its not going in right direction.
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01-19-2011 , 06:16 PM
Yawn.

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01-19-2011 , 07:32 PM
Fifth hand of sng. No reads here.


Poker Stars $2.00+$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t10/t20 Blinds - 2 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

Hero (BB): t1390 69.50 BBs
BTN/SB: t1610 80.50 BBs

Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is BB with 9 9
BTN/SB raises to t40, Hero raises to t140, BTN/SB calls t100

Flop: (t280) 5 8 K (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB bets t140, Hero calls t140

Turn: (t560) A (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB bets t260

Bad check on the flop?
How would a different line taken affect the approach to this turn?
WWYD as played?
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01-19-2011 , 07:50 PM
hm,i have few questions about william hill poker? there are a lot players at husng?is there good blind structure?is there husng fast as at ftp?
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01-19-2011 , 08:15 PM
I'm pretty showdown bound in this spot. He's going to have K8 58 maybe A5 A8 or Axhh, but he doesn't donk those a very high % to begin with.
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01-19-2011 , 10:19 PM
suppose you have 2000 chips and villain 1000 , blinds 20-40.
villain is slowly bleeding chips.

you get AKs on the button , you raise to 100 , villain shoves.
he has a small pocket pair.
the question is , should you take that flip?

i mean , half of the time you finish the match, the other half you got 1k chips
and villain 2k.

if you have 0 edge on the villain , meaning that you guys have the same "skill" , is the flip a good move?

sorry for the crap english btw
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01-19-2011 , 10:53 PM
From what I understand, when you and your opponent are perfectly matched your chances of winning are a function of stack size. With a 2:1 chips lead you are a 2:1 favorite to win.

If you call, you have (lets assume a perfect flip) a 50% chance of winning and a 50% chance of being a 2:1 dog. So your chances of winning are 50% + 33.3%= 83.3%

If you fold you will have 1900 chips and your opponent will have 1100, making you a 19:11 favorite. Thus the chance of you winning if you fold is (1900/(1900+1100)) = 63.3%.

Calling increases your chance of winning 20%.

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01-20-2011 , 12:10 AM
How does pokerstars decide in HUSNGs when to show hands when you have your setting to never show--winner or loser? It's not as simple as casino rules I think.
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01-20-2011 , 02:58 AM
This is a common spot.

I have 10-2ss

Solid Villian limps and I call.

Flop is Ks 8s 2d

I have pair+flush.

I check and villian leads for pot.

I 3bet to 140. Villian minraises to 300.

I know I have immediate odds to call.

But once an x falls that doesn't help me at all, I lose alot of equity in the hand.

I think I have 40% equity here vs k8.

Maybe a bit more vs a lone k. 50%.

I probably have very little fold equity, as solid villian almost always has a k here.

How many of you jam just because it is +ev, though you are flipping almost always?

Does hero sometimes jam to protect his equity here?

Is a call/f ok if a dreaded x falls?
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01-20-2011 , 09:16 AM
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This is a common spot.

I have 10-2ss

Solid Villian limps and I call.

Flop is Ks 8s 2d

I have pair+flush.

I check and villian leads for pot.

I 3bet to 140. Villian minraises to 300.

I know I have immediate odds to call.

But once an x falls that doesn't help me at all, I lose alot of equity in the hand.

I think I have 40% equity here vs k8.

Maybe a bit more vs a lone k. 50%.

I probably have very little fold equity, as solid villian almost always has a k here.

How many of you jam just because it is +ev, though you are flipping almost always?

Does hero sometimes jam to protect his equity here?

Is a call/f ok if a dreaded x falls?
Firstly get pokerstove, your estimations are very inaccurate to the actual strengths of those hands. Second if this hand history is real, I don't think this villain is solid, given the way he played this hand. So your read is off there. That hand I would probably think flatting flop in almost all cases is better than 3 betting however if you have some wild dynamic with this guy I can see that and in that case 5 bet jamming could be good against the right opponent given he could firstly fold or also show up with hands we are ahead of like lower flush draws and random air a small percentage of the time. Also a lot depends on what his pot sized c-bet and min-raise has meant in the past. Read-less I prefer flat flop, check fold turn on a blank depending on his bet size.

Last edited by c-trizzle; 01-20-2011 at 09:22 AM. Reason: You never told us stack sizes for this. I assumed around 75 big blinds.
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01-20-2011 , 09:55 AM
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I was just curious how many husng's your average $2-$10 grinder plays per day. Does 50-100 seem like an average number? Too many? Thanks for your input.
I'm currently on an average around 100 a day.
If you multitable pretty easy to reach!
I play them in blocks of 8 and sometimes 4 and just keep starting new ones up when one is ended. I don't have a very ROI high doing this, but with rakeback (10buyins a weak) and leaderboard (20 buyins a month) give my bankroll a good boost!
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01-20-2011 , 03:43 PM
After a bet is placed how does pokerstars determine what number of chips a preset bet button places when its configured to a percentage of the pot? So if the pot is 40 and villain bets 20, where is the pot bet button coming up with its value (it's not 60)? I don't know if FTP works the same as stars, but it also wouldn't be 60.
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01-20-2011 , 05:08 PM
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Firstly get pokerstove, your estimations are very inaccurate to the actual strengths of those hands. Second if this hand history is real, I don't think this villain is solid, given the way he played this hand. So your read is off there. That hand I would probably think flatting flop in almost all cases is better than 3 betting however if you have some wild dynamic with this guy I can see that and in that case 5 bet jamming could be good against the right opponent given he could firstly fold or also show up with hands we are ahead of like lower flush draws and random air a small percentage of the time. Also a lot depends on what his pot sized c-bet and min-raise has meant in the past. Read-less I prefer flat flop, check fold turn on a blank depending on his bet size.
ext results appended to pokerstove.txt

990 games 0.005 secs 198,000 games/sec

Board: Ks 8s 2c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 39.192% 39.19% 00.00% 388 0.00 { Ts2s }
Hand 1: 60.808% 60.81% 00.00% 602 0.00 { Kh8h }


990 games 0.005 secs 198,000 games/sec

Board: Ks 8s 2c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 50.101% 50.10% 00.00% 496 0.00 { Ts2s }
Hand 1: 49.899% 49.90% 00.00% 494 0.00 { Kh5h }


By solid, I mean, opp bets it when he has it.

Point is, I can put him on a k here almost always.

Stacks are at 75bb.

Assuming that, how do we proceed?
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01-20-2011 , 06:20 PM
First hand vs rando.

Opp raises to 3x.

You have a2o.

I usually call.

Is it standard?
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01-20-2011 , 06:45 PM
You should never be calling oop with A2o vs a 3x raise.
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01-20-2011 , 06:48 PM
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How does pokerstars decide in HUSNGs when to show hands when you have your setting to never show--winner or loser? It's not as simple as casino rules I think.
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After a bet is placed how does pokerstars determine what number of chips a preset bet button places when its configured to a percentage of the pot? So if the pot is 40 and villain bets 20, where is the pot bet button coming up with its value (it's not 60)? I don't know if FTP works the same as stars, but it also wouldn't be 60.
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01-20-2011 , 10:07 PM
when you bet pot , you match your opponent bet before betting the whole pot
if i min raise you 40 into your 20 bb you have to match my 40 making the pot 80 and then bet 80 wich is 100 more than you previously had(that s how it works on ftp)
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