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Ok ...

unvote

Bob Ross

heheh i guess that's me. I just really don't buy him being a wolf, i just think he's a bit confused/confusing and is now frustrated with the constant accusations. I'm willing to risk intense scrutiny if he is indeed a wolf, just as I was willing to with Filthy.

You said to focus on Filthy's voters. Can you rank them for me? right now you said Jack and Bob were at the top, what about the other three.

unvote

jack's posts make me laugh, i wanna keep him around

in all seriousness i rly dnt think he's a wolf. there is some logic to him being a serial killer but there's only one of them so i dnt feel like that's enough of a reason to vote.

i'm gona jump on the Bob Ross wagon butbut im waiting to here more opinions from the experianced players =/

By vote counts there has to be at least one double voter that voted for filthy since the votes were
Jack-6
Filthy-5
Others (me, kurru)-4

obv it could be the serial killer.

I'd be far more careful of moteutsch (sp?), he just made one post today saying practically nothing, I think he stands a better chance of not being a vanilla villager. if someone spotted him earlier that would be a hell of a tell. otoh donjonnie's story makes some sense. I'm not lying around the werewolf thread all day either and he could def be genuinely inexperienced and busy

Any more experienced WW players have an opinion on what the "sigh ok kill me then /selfvote" (done by an inexperience player) could mean?

yes but moteutsch didn't vote for filthy.

stop distracting away from the wagons!

and where are spamz and mers anyways?

sure, i'd say the bottom 3 are about even, but:
jack
bob
lolsteamroller - so it seems like he was really active early yesterday and helpful to the village, then people got suspicious about him, then he made some excuses or shifted the light to someone else and disappeared. dont think ive seen him at all today. could be a wolf who started out thinking he should lead the village but then it started to backfire so he backed out. i think he'd be a good wagon if he doesnt show back up soonish.

jonnie - seems likely someone who just wasnt that into the game early and then his more recent analysis seemed pretty villagery altho he did seem to show up with it right when people were starting to suspect him so thats a bit fishy.

joeblows - his opening "im a wolf" joke seems like something a double levelling wolf would say a lot more than a villa. altho being a villa who just isnt taking the game seriously matches up w/ his scant/shallow posting history too.

This seems solid and the end of your last paragraph is basically why I voted you. Iheardjoe's post definitely could be a poorly thought out double level -- I don't really see a villa making this play in his earliest posts. I also agree with you on Bob Ross...he seems very accusatory while not really making decent points and seems to be trying to shift the blame as opposed to defending himself. He's also a very strong wolf lean of mine,

The way Jack has played this game is a bit perplexing -- I can't really make any sense of his thought processes or post chains. The way I see it, though, there's not much to be gained by lynching him at this point. There are better wolf leans available and I think once we've exhausted our better leans we can look deeper into him then. If he's a wolf, I really can't see him contributing much to their strat so short term it's pretty irrelevant (unless he's the serial killer, which is possible). Imo we should go after a better lean and in a few days if jack is still around (pending posts til then) he'd be looking a lot more like someone worth lynching.

On another note I'm pretty frustrated at myself...if my post had been in one minute earlier maybe this whole disaster would have been diverted. I apologize for this...losing filthy is horrible for us.

Sorry, forgot this...vote Bob Ross for now at least, I'll be in and out of thread throughout the day (poker time obv!)

anyway F this I am off to get some stuff done, will be back in time before night though to possibly change my vote if I see it to be fit.

also, Mers is online but not posting :/

Thanks and you're absolutely right about that. I've stayed up extremely late last night, got some trouble with my boss for oversleeping and now I'm under constant accusations

Very frustrating and I'm about done for tonight. I'll get a beer or two then go to bed, not sure whether I'll still check back here before night.

wp

to be fair there's a lot to read....

think we should really be going after ppl who voted for filthy for the chance of killing the double voter

this is not adding up for me.

u r claiming u were appologising for killing flthy but u also thought u were going to be lynched?

i dont think a villager would need to appologise for this? if u knew you were a villager surely the right thing to do is save yourself
jackoneill

not true. better would have been to let himself die or vote for me or kurru rather than the helpful and experienced filthy. it was a selfish vote.

Let's just analyse this a bit.
At least one doublevoter voted for Filthy. This could be:

1) Because Jack is a doublevoter and did not want to get eliminated (serial killer or wolf)
2) Because Jack is a wolf and the wolves wanted to save him so one of them used his double vote
3) Because Jack is a normal villager, and the wolves hope by using this double vote for Filthy, we might suspect Jack and hang him (would be a smart move)
4) Because the serial killer, who is neither Jack nor Filthy, preferred for some reason Filthy to die over Jack

Please correct or annex if you see other possible scenarios.

If we now look at this in a purely statistical point of view, than we know Jack is more likely to be a villager than a wolf or SK. (Don't take any behavior into account). In that case, above scenario 3 would be the most likely to have happened, no?
Also: If Jack is a wolf, than we managed to spot a wolf the very first day (which is no so likely), and the wolves did not manage to divert our attention (enough) towards another suspect. (which is a bit weak)

So we should reread the behavior and the posts that make Jack suspicious, but purely the fact that he was "saved" by the double-vote is no reason for me to hang him today. It would merely be a reason to keep him alive.
I'm interested in your thoughts on this one.

This was the "other stuff". Sry dude, gotta go with my feeling here =/

I stepped out of an appointment so far to check these posts quick on my phone and I'll be back later to look more.

I'm still wondering what other suspicions znark had against me, I'm wondering why hookt's contradictory statements mean nothing to anyone, and I'd like to know WHY YOU PEOPLE THINK I'M A WOLF. I've defended myself very clearly and have been accusing otres (namely hookt) because it's just as important as defending myself.

As a villager I have to find wolves and provide good reasoning. WOLVES NEED TO DEFEND THEMSELVES.

I can't answer for a while because I have to get back to work, but please feel free to post some kind of good reason why I'm a wolf and should be lynched and I will be MORE than happy to answer. And for those of you who agreed that filthy was wolfish but decided to keep him around because he was giving out so much information, then maybe you might want to keep me around because I'm yapping so much as well. I can promise you that if you do, I'll continue to be very active.

znark, I went right after filthy because he fit exactly what I read in the wolf strategy at first, which was to stir things up and he was an experienced player. I didn't want to listen to his "helpful" advice and be trapped.

my problem with you is that you didn't take my advice either but went on to vote out an active villager

Has nobody thought about this? We can only use the seer-read strategy if we streamline it. If just some of us will be posting "if I was the seer I think player X is an Y", they will just draw wolf attention to themselves if they are right. So strategy?

And about Yaqh: To me all of his post seem like logical and helpfull. They make sense, and they sound villagery. Just the one where he proposed for the seer to post his reads, sounded a bit double to me. And a couple of posts later, where he stated that it's only positive for the the villagers if the seer (and others) posts clear reads, sounded couterproductive to me. There's definitely a benefit to it, but also the risk the seer gets killed too quickly. Yaqh should be aware of this and the fact that he left it out, raises my doubt about him.
I hope for some more feedback on what people think about Yaqh. Not to point all fingers towards him, but remember that clearing somebody as a villager is as important as spotting somebody as a wolf.