If he's getting it in turn he's calling flop and we don't want to give free equity to reg or to fish

As chelt says, doesn't matter who's the fish or reg here. A large portion of either player's range is happy to call a cbet which also means no one gets free equity in a 3way pot.

Use different hands and different adjustments because both hands are still bad.

^lol'd

I tend to go to this thread when I wanna read hands and analyze them but have none in skype chats, feel free to tell me not to post if you don't want it haha. But here goes!

AJcc - wp

KK - You said you check, to protect your range. Someone else in this thread said bet, because 'they have plenty to call with'. Though both reasons I think are fine, I'd want to look more at my own range and the relative strength of it- Then conclude that I have by far the strongest range out of the 3; My range in this spot being something like JJ+ AKo, ATs+ and some bluffs like A2s-A5s / 34s-67s both with some freq. UTG is incentivized to peel pre with most his broadway hands due to bb flatting and shouldn't be opening 33-44 all that often, so I assume a large part of his range misses. BB is shortstacking so I assume a fish and thus could have suited broadways, possibly even AJo/KQo etc in his range. Based on that info I'd just cbet my entire range for a small bet as it happened to be that on this specific board we completely crush their ranges, then take it from there. Maybe exploitatively it's more +ev to check and let them catch up though, idk. But I'd bet for reasons stated.

AA - rip

AQo - I don't think this is as bad a call as you make it look, pretty good spot for him to x/r imo both for value as bluff. I'm defo calling down on higher stakes against regs assuming I win against Ahx and some thin value hands even such as Q9 / 66 / KJ maybe. Gotta remember that even though you may/should check some FD's otf, nutstraight ott is still top of your range and I'm not folding that. I'm not sure against a 25nl shortstacker but.... We got straight let's call and move on imo.

AKo - wp imo. Could argue for check flop but I'd bet small as you did based on that we should have a huge range advantage. I guess we don't all that much based on what he showed up with, but I think wp.

95s - Like the flop raise, his turn lead is interesting and I can imagine it being good depending on what hands he does it with as well. I'm calling it as well though and check down river so wp as well imo. As a side note, idk how often you're going to bluff river if you miss, but I think I'd bet in his shoes.

glgl

You're right, make that two mistakes then lmao. Btw the other day, I didn't block your table chat, I was just trying to tilt you as I had AA when 3bing you

Yea the fish in BB is already gonna be pot committed. I agree xb is giving villain free equity, although it does allow him to catch up some of the time, too. Basically, I don't want to be in a spot where I'm loving life and cbetting all my PP's and then checking back all my marginals (A hi etc). I'd rather have a more balanced approach, for the sake of sanity and for the fact that I know I can fold x hand as I have y here instead.

Of course it matters who the reg or fish is... we can prove this by the fact that we play this hand differently if both players were fish compared to if both were regs. Yes we miss equity here, but we need to look at our range here, too. If we are betting all of our stronger holdings and xb our marginals (all Ax bar some bdnfd's and GS's plus broadways etc), we are gonna be faceup vs the reg(s). It's not gonna be a problem to xb some hands like this for the sake of balancing your AK and other such marginals.

We can agree to disagree.

Not at all bro. I love talking about hands and breaking them down. Constructive feedback and/or criticism, like you have just given me, is gold dust to me . Btw if you want to talk some hands privately then PM me your Skype.

AJcc - ty

KK - I like your feedback. In the hand I was thinking "do I just bet 1/4p with everything" but decided against it as I preferred the idea of letting villain catch up some of the time (in a vac), plus I didn't want to be betting stuff like Ax no draw into two people when I think it plays better as an xb. Like you said, both strategies are gonna be +EV, and maybe mine is slightly worse, but I don't think it's ever gonna be a real issue to bet 1/4p with everything, or xb some stronger stuff to balance, as long as you follow it through accordingly.

AA - haha

AQ - mehhh lol. It's just one of those spots where you know he's never bluffing (in hind sight). At the time I pressed call under the same reasons you mentioned, but immediately after, like before I even moved onto the next hand in zoom, called myself a ****ing idiot .

AK - yea agreed, I'd still play it the same way again, having QQ there is just ridiculous lol

95s - ty. Yea I think villain really fk'd up by checking that river. I don't have many bluffs in that spot tbh, when he binks such a hidden river it's a mandatory barrel - I was snapping

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thx for everyone's feedback!

Guys, what do you think about this line and call off? I'll try to give as much info on villain as possible:

19/15/10 - 239 hands
0% 4bet (0/12)
69/60/56 Flop/Turn/River AFQ
70 WWSF (14/20)
6/7 Flop cbet (2/2 IP, 4/5 OOP)
1/2 turn 2b (now 2/3 with this raise)

All feedback, no matter how brutal, is appreciated. Thanks!

Perfectly fine, but fold to the jam. He has you completely crushed with some trap or the occasional 6x the vast majority of the time (I know I know, nits don't have 6x, but then again - they do). Sure he'll rip some 30% bluff once in a blue moon, but you're almost always drawing to two outs.

Don't be discouraged by these pots btw. Flatting is often good pre. But variance will happen when you do.

Thank you, and I think I agree with you everywhere. In theory it's a no brainer call, but yea as you said, do people have bluffs here? probably not

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Day 16

Half the battle with Poker is how you perform (and cope) when running badly. Before two days ago, I would probably have said that I cope well throughout the rougher times, however these last two days have undoubtedly proven otherwise. The two main areas that throw me off my game are confidence issues after running badly, even if I review the hands and conclude that they were played fine, and secondly, getting overly paranoid in spots where there is no need to be. I think the second issue derives from the conscious weight of losing a lot recently which then burdens and/or suppresses my usual thought process whilst playing.

I am going to post all the pots where I've been stacked since yesterday (bar the standard hands like AK vs QQ pre), and hopefully some wiser folk out there can aid me in where I've ****ed up.

(I don't care how harsh or brutal anyone is with their feedback, so long it is fundamentally constructive )

Here goes:
1. Vs reg. We have a very aggressive dynamic with each other.

2. Vs 16/13/3 over 71 hands. No other info.

3. Vs 18/16/6. Needed 32% to call.

4. Vs unknown.

5. Vs unknown.

6. Vs unknown.


I don't think I'll put any hands in tomorrow and just dedicate it to reviewing my recent hands.

Thx for reading and GL

hand 2 we need to go two streets imo, not three
hand 3 dunno why we raising flop? isnt this a no brainer call otf? Really see no value in raising flop here
hand 4 shouldnt be a double barrel, we have no equity and block his folding range. Dislike river as well
hand 5 you greedy ****, i probs do the same fwiw

H1 - Really optimistic call otr imo.

H2 - I mean we lose to 66 maybe QQ and KQcc with those stats he really shouldn't have many other value hands. We also block his nutted range so this is fine imo.

H3 - I suppose if you're gona raise the flop with 66 77 33 you need to throw in some 98s so this could be fine dunno if you had right odds vs overs cba to calculate.

H4 - Give up otf

H5 - River raise is pretty greedy and thin.

TT fold to the 4bet. Nit with 0/12 is never gonna 4brt **** like J6s here. His entire range (KK+) has you poont.

I've noticed huds can be really misleading under 1000 hands. He likely is not a nit at all, and can easily really be playing +3% more.

H2 with AA, your betting 25% on the turn, which is way too small. Stop being fancy and just bet big for value in those spots. You were deservedly rivered.

Of course. 239 is a nothing sample. But vs anyone remotely close to 19/15, calling TT OOP vs a 0/12 4bet (not a nothing sample) is really not good.

Exploitatively folding is not terrible, I used to do it often, but lately I have really noticed that regs do a lot of stupid things with the bu blinds dynamics even these stakes, so looking them up with a jam is probably the best option, and better than a flat imo. The fact this ****** was 4betting with that hand proves this point.

Yeah fold > jam > flat for sure. Would be jamming vs most but prob folding vs this guy.

I think the problem was the flop bet, we aren't getting away from this hand so shoulda went for the whole stack on flop and turn.

Thanks a lot for everyone's comments. Going to read through them now and reply.

h2 - I think we are missing too much value by checking river tbh, plus when he bets river we are probably meant to xf
h3 - it depends if you want to raise your 66 77 67-type hands, if you do, then you gotta raise this for balance, right?
h4 - interesting, I didn't think about blocking his folding range... I hate the idea of betting once and giving up though :/. maybe I just xb flop?
h5 - lol. yea I don't think I can just call vs a superfish

h1 - it is yeh, and I time banked. I ended up calling down because of the dynamic we have with eachother. I don't think it's losing given the hand he chose to xr flop and OB turn with, which prob means he has a lotta bluffs otr

h2 - i agree

h3 - agreed. and yeah we have enough equity w/ the sd outs alone (8 outsx2 for the 2 streets = 16 = 34%)

h4 - yea I think giving up flop is probably the best here

h5 - thin yes, but cannot be too bad vs a limper tbh

I don't think I can ever 3b-fold, if that was the case then I should just flat pre tbh, no point wasting such a good hand

they can be yeh, esp with 12 hand scenario's, he could be 0/12 but in reality be 4betting a completely reasonable range

h2 - I am not being "fancy" lol, that's just my default sizing. That'd be like me saying your 60% size is "fancy", when it's not, it's just your strategy. As long as I am balanced with my sizings, then it is going to work fine. I got him to call getting 4:1 w/ only 8:1 odds, that's a good result, not a "deservedly" bad one

19/15 holds a truer stance on him as a player than the 0/12 4b I agree, but he did have 10% 3b. He could easily be something like 20/18/9 or something, not that inconceivable given the relatively small sample size right?

I think exploit folding vs a 14/9 guy is the best, but I probably wouldn't even 3b them pre to begin with as I wouldn't want to be 3b-folding.

Well In the actual hand I RNG'd it and said I jam 2/3 times and flat the remaining 1/3.

I think folding is the worst option here.

Do you mean that I should be leading flop?

Thx again for everyone's feedback. Much appreciated. .

Just got back from my 3 mile jog and exercises, feeling better about the recent results. Gonna study/chill for the remainder of today and get back on it tomorrow. GL

AA you were the aggressor.

Using that logic 10% bet sizings are fine as long as they are balanced. I guess it works well if you want to give villains amazing odds for their draws, and lose value when your ahead.

Ah sorry I was thinking about the wrong hand.

In the hand I put villain on lots of middling-strength hands, more-so PP's, so I wanted to force him to call 2 streets. Also villain has a very limited number of hands he can have that get it in worse ott since we block the A for nfd's and AQ etc. He needs to have KQ by that point.

We also get to see our draws for cheaper, force villain to call worse (which happened) and check less to villain in a vacuum. If betting 1/4p was so bad, you wouldn't see lots of the HSNL players doing it (they bet even smaller some of the time). Obviously they are light years ahead of me, but I think your reasoning is a bit shortsighted in regards to the pro's/cons.

And 20x-ing pre is totally fine as well.

Then your sizings don't make sense since a two street stacking attempt still makes more money if we assume he calls F and f T (with the potential of him spewing).

Not a clue why we have a raising range in the 89s hand. Easiest call ever with everything.....

What hands do you think he calls worse OTT for his stack? I can only see KQ and AQ which we block pretty heavily/he 3b's them pre at some frequency, too

But why? If I should be calling everything, can you tell me why that is better than having a raising range? I'm not trying to come across as contentious, I am honestly curious.

I honestly don't understand why you should ever ever have a raisng range tbh.