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06-18-2016 , 09:39 PM
Your red line is attrocious

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06-18-2016 , 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Clanty
I'd rather not say, but they are all fine.
they might not all be fine
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06-18-2016 , 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by IamMrLorax
Your red line is attrocious

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Thank you for your constructive feedback.

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Originally Posted by meale
they might not all be fine
They are, I compare my stats with fellow friends/regs at the end of each month.
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06-18-2016 , 09:57 PM
okay but if your fellow friends/regs are at the same level as you are, this is -EV
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06-18-2016 , 10:47 PM
If you pm me i can look over your stats if you want help. A graph doesnt say anything

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06-18-2016 , 11:24 PM
clanty mate who gives a **** if you show your stats? you rplaying 16 & 25nl mate its not high stakes.....like me you need help and showing stats may give some insight or open other doors for people to comment. if your friends know so much you would be beating micros with ease.....

btw your 25 graph looks like mine over past 30k hands. running like complete ****. although its much better now. im back at normal tables, maybe 1 of zoom, and only 350 hands per hour.

we should be telling each other info so we can all help rather that keeping things a secret.....

not having a dig i just think thats the wrong attitude and approach

gl and always following
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06-19-2016 , 05:16 AM
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Originally Posted by max85
clanty mate who gives a **** if you show your stats? you rplaying 16 & 25nl mate its not high stakes.....like me you need help and showing stats may give some insight or open other doors for people to comment. if your friends know so much you would be beating micros with ease.....

btw your 25 graph looks like mine over past 30k hands. running like complete ****. although its much better now. im back at normal tables, maybe 1 of zoom, and only 350 hands per hour.

we should be telling each other info so we can all help rather that keeping things a secret.....

not having a dig i just think thats the wrong attitude and approach

gl and always following
Fair comment mate, ty.

I didn't decline the offer to offend anyone, it was merely me feeling confident in my own preflop game. There are definitely leaks in it, as there is every microstakes reg, but I have put a lot of work into my PF ranges and I wouldn't be willing to change them unless someone with far greater knowledge specifically told me to.

Idc about sharing info in general, hence I made the thread. But each to their own, and people can agree to disagree.
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06-19-2016 , 05:24 AM
Pre flop ranges have converged greatly these days among regs. We all know the typical lag regs stats and pre flop ranges. Even the crappy regs have a good idea on what do raise, call, 3bet these days, generally. The leaks are mainly post flop imo.
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06-19-2016 , 05:25 AM
^ That is complete bs lol. So many regs making plenty of ******ed preflop mistakes.
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06-19-2016 , 05:33 AM
good stuff bro

yeah for sure meale. i had one solid reg (6bb winner over 100k hands according to my data at 25) flat my 3b sb vs btn with 24s.....wtf
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06-19-2016 , 05:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Clanty
Hi people,

To do this best I will need to wipe my database, as since I imagine that my pre/postflop stats will change, some more significantly than others. Here are the last updates before I wipe it:
Hey man, I'm a massive pt4 noob especially when it comes to cash so thought I could just ask something. In regards to your stats changing, couldn't you simply view your play from a certain start date onwards and therefore wouldn't need to reset your database or is the only way to see what your new stats are after some studying by wiping your database.

I guess it could also be for the whole fresh mindset/start kinda thing which could be plus ev too.
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06-19-2016 , 05:49 AM
Was on your stream a while ago and seen you make a decent amount of preflop mistakes. I think posting your stats would be very beneficial for you. Also don't take the failed shot at 25nlz too badly, the last 30k hands at 25nlz for me have been quiet similar. Zoom variance is pretty brutal. Also don't wipe your database you will lose alot of info and stats on regs.

And yeah as usual what mirage01 said just isn't true. Maybe he is trolling again I can't tell.
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06-19-2016 , 05:55 AM
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Originally Posted by mirage01
Pre flop ranges have converged greatly these days among regs. We all know the typical lag regs stats and pre flop ranges. Even the crappy regs have a good idea on what do raise, call, 3bet these days, generally. The leaks are mainly post flop imo.
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Originally Posted by meale
^ That is complete bs lol. So many regs making plenty of ******ed preflop mistakes.
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Originally Posted by max85
good stuff bro

yeah for sure meale. i had one solid reg (6bb winner over 100k hands according to my data at 25) flat my 3b sb vs btn with 24s.....wtf
Yeah I agree with Meale tbh. Does anyone ever go through the phase of thinking "this regs seems pretty solid" then the next hand you see them less than 100bb's and flatting JTo otb vs EP open? It could just be a ZOOM trait but it does amaze me at times.



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Originally Posted by Labax
Hey man, I'm a massive pt4 noob especially when it comes to cash so thought I could just ask something. In regards to your stats changing, couldn't you simply view your play from a certain start date onwards and therefore wouldn't need to reset your database or is the only way to see what your new stats are after some studying by wiping your database.

I guess it could also be for the whole fresh mindset/start kinda thing which could be plus ev too.
Yeah I definitely could, but it just seems like a lot of effort to keep resetting the date filter to "Since date: X" each time I change the filter. Plus, as you mentioned, there is the whole fresh mindset attribute, too.
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06-19-2016 , 05:57 AM
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Originally Posted by mahsjdi
Was on your stream a while ago and seen you make a decent amount of preflop mistakes. I think posting your stats would be very beneficial for you. Also don't take the failed shot at 25nlz too badly, the last 30k hands at 25nlz for me have been quiet similar. Zoom variance is pretty brutal. Also don't wipe your database you will lose alot of info and stats on regs.

And yeah as usual what mirage01 said just isn't true. Maybe he is trolling again I can't tell.
Name some? There are a few that was spotted by someone that I have now cleared up, so curious as to which you saw, too.
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06-19-2016 , 06:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Clanty
Name some? There are a few that was spotted by someone that I have now cleared up, so curious as to which you saw, too.
I didn't see too much gameplay but here are some mistakes I saw. Not 3betting enough on BTN alot of regs make this mistake it's the best place to be 3betting. I saw you flatting weak hands BTNvsCO that play alot better when 3b. Flatting weak hands in SB and BTN that should probably be folding. 3bet more from BTN especially BTNvsCO. They might not sound like a big deal but flatting weak hands gets you in alot of spots where you have weak hands and so you end up having to folding alot and having a bad redline.
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06-19-2016 , 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted by mahsjdi
I didn't see too much gameplay but here are some mistakes I saw. Not 3betting enough on BTN alot of regs make this mistake it's the best place to be 3betting. I saw you flatting weak hands BTNvsCO that play alot better when 3b. Flatting weak hands in SB and BTN that should probably be folding. 3bet more from BTN especially BTNvsCO. They might not sound like a big deal but flatting weak hands gets you in alot of spots where you have weak hands and so you end up having to folding alot and having a bad redline.
Yep those SB flats have been cleared up and btn 3b was prob just a sample size issue as I 3b a good amount from there.
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06-19-2016 , 08:08 AM
also tho mirage has a point in that the bulk of regs' mistakes will come postflop. but it is vital to ensure your preflop game is solid af before we can work on that
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06-19-2016 , 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by meale
also tho mirage has a point in that the bulk of regs' mistakes will come postflop. but it is vital to ensure your preflop game is solid af before we can work on that
I disagree post flop is soooo much more important. I dont even have set 3b or opening ranges and i am winning strong at 25nl
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06-19-2016 , 08:49 AM
Obv it's more important but if you're making errors pre they're going to compound and **** your ass harder post
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06-19-2016 , 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by meale
Obv it's more important but if you're making errors pre they're going to compound and **** your ass harder post
Yeah but unless your being a complete **** they are super minor compared to post flop errors
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06-19-2016 , 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by mirage01
Pre flop ranges have converged greatly these days among regs. We all know the typical lag regs stats and pre flop ranges. Even the crappy regs have a good idea on what do raise, call, 3bet these days, generally. The leaks are mainly post flop imo.
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Originally Posted by meale
^ That is complete bs lol. So many regs making plenty of ******ed preflop mistakes.
Before resetting my Database I ripped my PT4 player summary into Excel and ran a few reports... I am actually shocked at how many of the regs have terrible PF stats, even the ones I have marked as a "good reg". There's probably around 10-15 players in there that seem to have a good PF setup, the rest are clearly very unbalanced and have **** ranges by the looks of things.

I had 5.7k hands on someone playing 14/9/1. lol
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06-21-2016 , 07:55 PM
Hey Clanity, when you talk about using excel how do you use it?
Also is your study group taking up members at the moment?
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06-22-2016 , 01:18 AM
this is vs reg who i have the most hands on out of anyone in the zoom pool. tell me more about how people are solid pre lol

    Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37360082

    BTN: $20.06 (200.6 bb)
    Hero (SB): $10.10 (101 bb)
    BB: $10.01 (100.1 bb)
    UTG: $12.02 (120.2 bb)
    MP: $11.67 (116.7 bb)
    CO: $10.17 (101.7 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with Q Q
    3 folds, BTN raises to $0.30, Hero raises to $1, BB folds, BTN calls $0.70

    Flop: ($2.10) T 2 6 (2 players)
    Hero bets $1.15, BTN calls $1.15

    Turn: ($4.40) 9 (2 players)
    Hero checks, BTN checks

    River: ($4.40) 2 (2 players)
    Hero bets $3.35, BTN calls $3.35

    Spoiler:
    Results: $11.10 pot ($0.50 rake)
    Final Board: T 2 6 9 2
    BTN mucked 7 9 and lost (-$5.50 net)
    Hero showed Q Q and won $10.60 ($5.10 net)



    Get the Flash Player to use the Hold'em Manager Replayer.
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    06-22-2016 , 06:53 AM
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    Originally Posted by IamMrLorax
    Hey Clanity, when you talk about using excel how do you use it?
    Also is your study group taking up members at the moment?
    Depends if you have any excel knowledge. If you do then use the 'export' function in your HUD software and rip it into a CSV

    I left a study group recently that I made as people forgot the fact that it was a study group... if you have good English (respectfully) then shoot me a PM with your Skype details

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    Originally Posted by meale
    this is vs reg who i have the most hands on out of anyone in the zoom pool. tell me more about how people are solid pre lol

      Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37360082

      BTN: $20.06 (200.6 bb)
      Hero (SB): $10.10 (101 bb)
      BB: $10.01 (100.1 bb)
      UTG: $12.02 (120.2 bb)
      MP: $11.67 (116.7 bb)
      CO: $10.17 (101.7 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is SB with Q Q
      3 folds, BTN raises to $0.30, Hero raises to $1, BB folds, BTN calls $0.70

      Flop: ($2.10) T 2 6 (2 players)
      Hero bets $1.15, BTN calls $1.15

      Turn: ($4.40) 9 (2 players)
      Hero checks, BTN checks

      River: ($4.40) 2 (2 players)
      Hero bets $3.35, BTN calls $3.35

      Spoiler:
      Results: $11.10 pot ($0.50 rake)
      Final Board: T 2 6 9 2
      BTN mucked 7 9 and lost (-$5.50 net)
      Hero showed Q Q and won $10.60 ($5.10 net)



      Get the Flash Player to use the Hold'em Manager Replayer.
      Yep lmao great example of a micro's reg getting 'out of line' when they think they have some sick read on you, or that they are desperate to outplay you. Happens a lot
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      06-22-2016 , 07:17 AM
      I'm interested in the study group pal? Moving up to 50z any days now
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