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WARNING!!! Turning pro is HARD ****ING WORK!! And you will see this ITT... WARNING!!! Turning pro is HARD ****ING WORK!! And you will see this ITT...

03-19-2014 , 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by wellplayed
nice looking graph there mate, i bet you enjoyed today cause you didnt have to work and could focus on poker all day ! WP
Yh it was good in many ways! Been bit ill so was good to test the mental game especially. Results was bonus but lolsample obv. Thanks.
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Originally Posted by RuyLopezCUH
Good luck to you. subscribed.
Thanks, welcome on board, hope you don't get bored!
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Originally Posted by SackofNuts
Hey i would be interested in joining the Skype study group. You seem to be pretty organized with your schedule and motivated, and i think we can help each other. I'm a 50NL reg at ipoker (played over 100k hands at 50nl already) hoping to take shots at 100nl in the near future. Skype name alwayz_wanting
We can chat and get you on the list for sure. Have tried to Skype you.
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03-19-2014 , 05:04 PM
Wish me luck at NL50............

This was NL25 (staker wants me to play higher!)



Play same game, post hands, keep learning, long term >>> NL1K.

Glad its not my money!

Gogogogogogogogo!!!!!

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03-19-2014 , 09:41 PM
Sorry to hear about your friend, KP. Can't be easy having to deal with something like that.

Good to see you hitting 50NL though. Onwards and upwards!
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03-20-2014 , 05:00 AM
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Originally Posted by sifiasco
Sorry to hear about your friend, KP. Can't be easy having to deal with something like that.

Good to see you hitting 50NL though. Onwards and upwards!
Cheers mate, all will be fine, she has found peace I think.

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So, thought I was going back to work today but tbh I still feel crap and also my daughter is now ill so we are both at home today!!

This means I can do more poker stuff but I cannot really make a schedule as I need to be available for her all day.

I tried to play first session of NL50 last night but Stars had an update and it took 30 mins to download for some reason (tech noob btw). So I watched some life coaching stuff instead as it was late anyway.

Played my first session this morning.....



Was good! Found fishes about (yh worse than me!) and ran bad so very happy with it (lolsample).

Big hand I lost, I gii on turn with made straight (T9 on KQJx with double flush draw) against two pair and he binked boat on the river. Also I flopped a flush with 56s but river came four flush and I made what I think was a good (easy?) fold on the river.

Just going to play two tables for a while so I can focus fully and learn!!

Will do updates today just for fun
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03-20-2014 , 07:05 AM
Session 2



Spoiler:


But.....

Spoiler:
PokerStars - $0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $106.13 (VPIP: 27.87, PFR: 22.95, 3Bet Preflop: 12.50, Hands: 62)
Hero (SB): $53.24
BB: $28.50
CO: $28.48 (VPIP: 17.74, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 63)

Hero posts SB $0.25, BB posts BB $0.50

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.75) Hero has J Q

CO calls $0.50, fold, Hero raises to $2.50, BB calls $2.00, fold

Flop: ($5.50, 2 players) J 3 7
Hero bets $4.00, BB calls $4.00

Turn: ($13.50, 2 players) 8
Hero bets $9.75, BB calls $9.75

River: ($33.00, 2 players) 5
Hero bets $15.75, BB calls $12.25 and is all-in

Spoiler:
Hero shows J Q (One Pair, Jacks) (Pre 60%, Flop 82%, Turn 91%)
BB shows 6 4 (Straight, Eight High) (Pre 40%, Flop 18%, Turn 9%)
BB wins $56.00


And several other bad rivers pairing board to counterfeit me etc. So definitely a bit of levelling (like "not believing") and a bit of run bad. Also getting used to new betsizes causing me to slow up.

Going to do a jigsaw with daughter! Tilt free obv!!

Back soon............
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03-20-2014 , 08:54 AM
that last hand is typical mate, been running in to those alot lately. Do we x/f river there sometimes ? or should we x call turn ?
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03-20-2014 , 10:12 AM
Session 3...



Managed to claw a couple of BI back after going down quite a bit. So much better to look in BB rather than $ as its not that long ago was playing NL10 so makes downers look a lot worse!!

Still levelled myself a little I think and am well below EV so its cool. Time for another jigsaw imo....
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03-20-2014 , 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by wellplayed
that last hand is typical mate, been running in to those alot lately. Do we x/f river there sometimes ? or should we x call turn ?
Ah, he was fish mate, would prolly call 22 here.
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03-20-2014 , 12:15 PM
Just getting subbed in. Almost halfway through this monstrosity and really admire your work ethic and dedication. Very inspiring for a guy who also has a busy non-poker life. GL to you!
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03-20-2014 , 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Poonz
Just getting subbed in. Almost halfway through this monstrosity and really admire your work ethic and dedication. Very inspiring for a guy who also has a busy non-poker life. GL to you!
Hi! Yeah, you got to really want it!! I see so many people got loads of time on their hands and just wasting it. Now ofc I don't mind people doing that at all but when they have the nerve to claim they have goals and dreams that require hard work and dedication then its kind of laughable.

I hope you don't get tooooo bored and find some inspiration at the very least!

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Session 4.



Well, at least I booked a winning session at NL50! Was pretty tough and had to really keep telling myself to fold fold fold!!!

This one I just could not let go of though..........

PokerStars - $0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: $66.32 (VPIP: 23.94, PFR: 19.72, 3Bet Preflop: 7.84, Hands: 151)
CO: $53.89 (VPIP: 23.08, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 8.70, Hands: 70)
BTN: $29.18 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
Hero (SB): $50.25

Hero posts SB $0.25, BB posts BB $0.50

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.75) Hero has A K

CO raises to $1.50, fold, Hero raises to $5.25, fold, CO raises to $13.00, Hero calls $7.75

Flop: ($26.50, 2 players) 8 4 5
Hero checks, CO checks

Turn: ($26.50, 2 players) K
Hero checks, CO bets $12.50, Hero calls $12.50

River: ($51.50, 2 players) Q
Hero checks, CO bets $28.39 and is all-in, Hero calls $24.75 and is all-in

Looked maybe LAG and was calling 3bets so far (tiny sample obv) so was surprised to see the 4b and called. Can't see him having any value when he does not bet on flop. I probably played this horrid but gotta learn to play 4b pots somehow!!

Might get another session (or two) in later so won't post totals just yet!!

Ah, what fun
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03-20-2014 , 01:31 PM
Why are you calling the 4b there, it's the easiest 5b jam mate. As played when we don't bet turn, we obv can't fold anywhere.

Not sure you're ready for NL50, seems a bit hasty but best of luck - if anyone deserves success it's you.
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03-20-2014 , 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by samcx
Why are you calling the 4b there, it's the easiest 5b jam mate. As played when we don't bet turn, we obv can't fold anywhere.

Not sure you're ready for NL50, seems a bit hasty but best of luck - if anyone deserves success it's you.
Yh I think I should have 5bet too mate. In game he was one of those with low RFI CO and only high in BTN and SB and I think I over thought the situation. I did 3bet to get value when he calls but when he 4bet (first time) I thought "hell I not so good now but maybe can outplay him post. More self levelling I guess.

WRT to "not ready for NL50" I think you are likely right in some respects but so what? Staker wants me to play it and he knows my work ethic etc so maybe I will learn quicker when desperate or something eh!?

Thanks for help amigo and kind words.
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03-20-2014 , 03:56 PM
I guess there's nothing wrong with shot taking if you're being stacked, see how it goes.

As for the AK, it's a spot where he might level himself to getting it in with a lot worse than AK, because of positions - you'll find a lot of non-believers, arguably more so than you would at NL10 because everyone is a lot more spewy/trying to level each other IMO - not to mention the amount of fold equity we have. Also you'll struggle to outplay him in a 4bp... most of the time, if we don't flop an A or K, he will cbet and we just have to c/fold and that will happen more times than not. Also we don't get paid all the time when we do have an A or K, because he will have hands like QQ/JJ.
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03-20-2014 , 05:03 PM
KP at nl50 is where the real poker begins, people actually think there and dont just call with ATC. With your skills and work ethics i believe you will crush it soon enough. Just play tighter than before to get used to the player pool and when you feel more confident start to open more hands.
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03-20-2014 , 06:29 PM
Ouch!!

Got my ass handed to me on a plate today to be fair!! (can't post graph as it might make me puke!!)

Positive = Gonna learn real fast playing here, some stuff is different for sure so far.

Negative = Lost 5 BI (which to be fair can be standard but let's be realistic here!)

Positive = EV loss was 3 BI (pretty weak but gotta find one!).

I am really enjoying it though - I love to be tested and the obstacles I see purely as opportunities.

Must go back to work tomorrow so all back to normal.
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03-20-2014 , 08:22 PM
Nothing wrong with AKcc, calling the 4b and 5b jamming are both valid options. Shoving is the more standard option but calling obviously can't be bad. Postflop looks well played

You'll be fine at 50nl, just wait for the heat
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03-20-2014 , 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by KP24
Yh I think I should have 5bet too mate. In game he was one of those with low RFI CO and only high in BTN and SB and I think I over thought the situation. I did 3bet to get value when he calls but when he 4bet (first time) I thought "hell I not so good now but maybe can outplay him post. More self levelling I guess.

WRT to "not ready for NL50" I think you are likely right in some respects but so what? Staker wants me to play it and he knows my work ethic etc so maybe I will learn quicker when desperate or something eh!?

Thanks for help amigo and kind words.

If you'r ''not good'' with AK, that means he has KK or AA.. not a good idea to try and outplay those hands in a 4bet pot ? Or other hands you 'not so good' against would be TT-QQ, again not a good idea to try and outplay those on a small cards board, in a 4bet pot (I'm saying a small cards board because you talk about outplaying, which implied no A or K on board I'm guessing).

Lot of the stats you talked about and assumptions you made (on that hand) were pretty bad indeed, mainly because you have 70 hands on villain. But if you have a soulread that he has [QQ+, AK], you should just fold to the 4bet (even though that kind of read is fairly awful in the spot you were). It's not nl10, it's nl50 4 handed.. people will 4bet wider than KK+

Last edited by valee; 03-20-2014 at 09:02 PM. Reason: btw, just jam
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03-21-2014 , 03:30 AM
Co vs sb oop with AKs.
Come one, ez ship
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03-21-2014 , 04:27 AM
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Originally Posted by dg4
Nothing wrong with AKcc, calling the 4b and 5b jamming are both valid options. Shoving is the more standard option but calling obviously can't be bad. Postflop looks well played

You'll be fine at 50nl, just wait for the heat
Thanks dg!
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Originally Posted by valee
If you'r ''not good'' with AK, that means he has KK or AA.. not a good idea to try and outplay those hands in a 4bet pot ? Or other hands you 'not so good' against would be TT-QQ, again not a good idea to try and outplay those on a small cards board, in a 4bet pot (I'm saying a small cards board because you talk about outplaying, which implied no A or K on board I'm guessing).

Lot of the stats you talked about and assumptions you made (on that hand) were pretty bad indeed, mainly because you have 70 hands on villain. But if you have a soulread that he has [QQ+, AK], you should just fold to the 4bet (even though that kind of read is fairly awful in the spot you were). It's not nl10, it's nl50 4 handed.. people will 4bet wider than KK+
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Originally Posted by Deeepz
Co vs sb oop with AKs.
Come one, ez ship
Thanks guys, seriously I am listening to you so thank you very much.

Can I just ask you to dissect part of my thought process please? Because I am 3 betting someone with a widish range who has called most 3bets IP I am using a non polarized range from SB. When he suddenly 4bets me (ignore sample size) I expect him to polarize - is that incorrect thinking? It is because I expect his range to be polarized I think it can be ok to call here and play that complete range rather than 5b and narrow his range to the top of his range.

Please note, I am not arguing with you. Only two people have said 4betting is "ok". I just would like you to "take apart" my thought process there please.
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03-21-2014 , 10:11 AM
Hey guys, was so ill in the night last night - did not sleep longer than ten minutes with stomach cramps and acid reflux. No work today again, really bad eh!?

Have managed to play for one hour but got no energy to focus too well so going to try to sleep again now and maybe come back again later.





Don't know what all the fuss is about LMAO!!!!

PokerStars - $0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $57.14 (VPIP: 25.44, PFR: 16.57, 3Bet Preflop: 7.04, Hands: 175)
SB: $72.90 (VPIP: 22.17, PFR: 14.78, 3Bet Preflop: 5.56, Hands: 213)
Hero (BB): $50.00
UTG: $18.82 (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 40.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
CO: $50.00 (VPIP: 13.04, PFR: 9.78, 3Bet Preflop: 2.63, Hands: 93)

SB posts SB $0.25, Hero posts BB $0.50

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.75) Hero has Q A

UTG raises to $1.75, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls $1.25

Flop: ($3.75, 2 players) 6 T A
Hero checks, UTG bets $2.00, Hero calls $2.00

Turn: ($7.75, 2 players) 2
Hero checks, UTG bets $4.50, Hero calls $4.50

River: ($16.75, 2 players) 9
Hero checks, UTG bets $10.57 and is all-in, Hero calls $10.57

Standard to call down here for 40bb? Maybe 3b pre?

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PokerStars - $0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $69.05 (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 23)
SB: $70.64 (VPIP: 18.75, PFR: 18.75, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 17)
BB: $41.96 (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 20.83, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 24)
Hero (UTG): $51.11
MP: $50.00 (VPIP: 29.03, PFR: 25.81, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 32)
CO: $104.89 (VPIP: 22.83, PFR: 14.96, 3Bet Preflop: 11.48, Hands: 129)

SB posts SB $0.25, BB posts BB $0.50

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.75) Hero has T T

Hero raises to $1.50, fold, CO raises to $5.25, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls $3.75

Flop: ($11.25, 2 players) 9 4 8
Hero checks, CO bets $8.05, Hero calls $8.05

Turn: ($27.35, 2 players) T
Hero checks, CO checks

River: ($27.35, 2 players) 7
Hero checks, CO bets $14.36, ???

This is a straight forward fold I think but sets tough to fold eh!? What do you think from his bet size?
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03-21-2014 , 12:48 PM
3b/call pre that AQo all day, your gonna be well ahead of a 35bb fish's stacking off range there.
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03-21-2014 , 12:58 PM
TT fold ye
His betsizing is fine, bit too big tho
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03-21-2014 , 06:28 PM
Well, did not get much poker in today overall, just felt too weak.

Results.



Got lucky with bad call with TT set (see above post) and lost a big pot where I flopped a set w T9s but villain flopped one too!

PokerStars - $0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $53.00 (VPIP: 26.32, PFR: 26.32, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 22)
SB: $51.58 (VPIP: 12.00, PFR: 8.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 26)
BB: $110.11 (VPIP: 25.72, PFR: 19.99, 3Bet Preflop: 6.98, Hands: 1,474)
UTG: $48.50 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 24)
MP: $38.04 (VPIP: 13.64, PFR: 9.09, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 25)
Hero (CO): $54.49

SB posts SB $0.25, BB posts BB $0.50

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.75) Hero has J J

fold, MP raises to $1.00, Hero raises to $3.00, BTN calls $3.00, fold, fold, fold

Flop: ($7.75, 2 players) T 3 5
Hero bets $4.50, BTN calls $4.50

Turn: ($16.75, 2 players) K
Should I bet the turn here and if so why? (My thoughts are "yes, because K does not hit his floats much and I will sometimes bluff this card so can value bet here too").
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03-24-2014 , 12:22 PM
Hi everyone!!

Right, I am back into work today and ready to start working my butt off again!!

I posted 10 hands to Skype group today just to get me going and will probably get back into making schedules etc tomorrow (i.e not today) as catching up at work atm.

Been playing whenever I got the chance and did watch some videos as warm up etc but not doing any other off the table work just while was ill.

Been getting my butt kicked at NL50 but I did go through a load of hands now and I have run pretty bad. As I said I levelled myself and made bad plays too of course but also had lots of bad outcomes. I looked at overall graphs and looked at redline and blueline (which I don't look at very often) and blueline was losing so then looked at showdown to see if calling down too light and/or running bad and its both for sure.

So, hope to make full update of results/goals/schedule etc tomorrow! Good to be back!!!
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03-24-2014 , 01:06 PM
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PokerStars - $0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $53.00 (VPIP: 26.32, PFR: 26.32, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 22)
SB: $51.58 (VPIP: 12.00, PFR: 8.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 26)
BB: $110.11 (VPIP: 25.72, PFR: 19.99, 3Bet Preflop: 6.98, Hands: 1,474)
UTG: $48.50 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 24)
MP: $38.04 (VPIP: 13.64, PFR: 9.09, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 25)
Hero (CO): $54.49

SB posts SB $0.25, BB posts BB $0.50

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.75) Hero has J J

fold, MP raises to $1.00, Hero raises to $3.00, BTN calls $3.00, fold, fold, fold

Flop: ($7.75, 2 players) T 3 5
Hero bets $4.50, BTN calls $4.50

Turn: ($16.75, 2 players) K
Should I bet the turn here and if so why? (My thoughts are "yes, because K does not hit his floats much and I will sometimes bluff this card so can value bet here too").
I like your reasoning but i have a couple questions.

1.When you say the K does not hit his floats much do you mean because KQ, KQs and KJs combos are just a small percentage of his total opening range from middle position? Those are definitely in it his float range right? I see he only raises 9% A king has to be in big percentage of his range pre. Obv he would play AK KK differently most of the time.

2. What would your turn bet sizing be? If he raises are just always folding?
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