Lots of good little nuggets in this post. But I like this one the most.

Good post Dan.

love this. i think i may just read this whole thing before each time i load up a session. the only thing i have a question on is why not play when you have a set stop time? almost every one of my sessions these days is before i have to go to work. if i don't play at this time i'll be losing a lot of the time i have to play.

Great points Dan, hope you pick it up.

I think this rang especially true for me. I've been having a very terrible week, can't get anything going, getting crushed by the regs and fish alike for the past 3k hands. I start every session looking at my diminishing bankroll and feel like I need to chase my (increasing) losses and basically start every session emotionally affected.

Then when I review the hand histories, a lot of pots were fancy plays on my part that caused me to end up in the red but I can't accept that it was a bad play on my part and move on.

Need to buy one of those electric zappers and zap myself everytime I do something ******ed.

cool vid.

skleezy and UHbigtexxx are lolbad dickswinging regs. i also play on everleaf, but we never bumped heads.

Great post, will def read it 3/4 more times to make sure I can memorize it while playing a session.

Just one remark. Don't you think it's a little nitty to sit out for 2 minutes when something upsets you? I mean, when a fish hit & runs me, yes I'm upset. But I definitely don't feel like I will play worse because of this.
I guess it's really individual dependent.
But going on sit out for 2 minutes everytime something upsets me is a nightmare for my table selection. As I'm working around 20-30 minutes to getting to the desired tables & am non stop closing/opening tables.
But when I leave for 2 minutes, I'm bound to play one table for 10 minutes, 2 tables for 15 minutes etc. This is kinda killing for the volume & hourly.

Great post bb

This might be wrong but I think he means that when we have a set time to play, we sub-consciously get our money in too light thinking we only have say 1 hour to win some money.

I know when Ive been on long stuck sessions and I get close to even but I have to leave soon, I have often ended up losing 2-3 BI towards the end and when I look back I have over valued my hand(obviously due to time restriction plus chasing rostucko)

I may have it wrong, but thats my interpretation of what BB said.

You said you already have videos out...link??

Google.

Dan is referring to when you've become emotionally compromised. A good quit is often extremely valuable. This doesn't mean that every time a fish rivers 2 pair on you and you value town yourself you sit out for a few minutes. You only do that when you know that your anger/frustration/sadness has crossed a line that will cause you to play badly. If you find yourself in this spot get up, talk a quick stroll around the house, throw a load of laundry in, do something to take your mind away from the game for a few minutes.

grindcore videos are well worth the price of admission

if you put grindcore poker videos in google you will find them

regarding stopping when upset, sometimes it really helps to just get away from the tables for just a quick minute or two. you won't lose your seat at the table, and you can just quickly refocus and regroup.

regarding a set stop time, if you know that you have to leave in 30min sometimes it affects your play, because you either want to preserve your win or if you are down you press to get even real quick before quitting or you might stay at crappy tables because you don't want to deal with waitlists and such with only a little time left to grind, etc. some people are fine with it, but for me it messes me up a little and i like to just leave it open ended and quit on my own terms.

if you like the posts and videos in this thread, tell your friends to subscribe and come post to juice up our post count and vote 5 stars and all that good stuff!

o ok i was just wondering if there were any free ones..which i couldn't find..thanks though

it's been a while...I can't believe krupdogg hit a 1,000 to 1 win at fallsview

I run bad and play worse so no real input but certainly an interesting thread so good luck in the quest for the crown.

Just watched your 3bet vids, and the 4tables 10nl one, feel I learned alot and look forward to watching some more.

GL with the challenge guys.

Messes me up to. Especially if I have to leave in 10 min (for example) I don't wanna leave on a losing note so I will play bad trying to go out on a breakeven/winning session.

And if its a losing session, it sometimes affects me when I am out doing whatever I need to do. I just wanna go back and grind.

Updated graph for my play so far at 10nl. Gonna try to put in at least a few hundred hands a day on the challenge through the end of the month.

Good thread.

What are your VPIP/PFR/3bet stats?

I wanted to jot down a few things I have noticed about the 4max tables at everleaf so far. Keep in mind I am specifically talking about Everleaf 10nl 4m tables, so it could be quite different at say ENET 50nl 4m.


1. The reg to fish ratio is phenomenal. I will often find tables where I am the only reg. The tables do turn over a fair bit tho. The fish don't seem to reload all that often.

2 Tons of shortstacks. Sometimes VERY short. Luckily they are all just fish who buy in short and not pro-shorties. I have to be careful sometimes when I am playing a bunch of tables to not set mine vs these guys as I don't have the implied odds.

3. I expected these tables to be extremely loose-aggro preflop. I was wrong. Most of the regs end up something like 28/24 which is only a little more aggro than the regs at 6m. The fish also lean towards the passive side preflop (tho you will occasionally find the crazy aggro-tards). (I'm currently at 32/18 and feel as though I am playing a bit too nitty)

4. I have been 3betting super wide for value and almost never as a bluff. This is partially because there are so many fish that are likely to cold call my 3b, and partially because the regs themselves don't fold pre very often. (Currently 3betting about 9% and its nearly 100% value)

5. I have been reacting very tightly to 3bets from regs. Most of the regs are only 3betting at 5% or so. The fish vary quite a bit in this area, there are many fish who never 3b at all and some who 3bet like 20%. (My fold to 3bet is 60%, but I imagine vs the regs its higher).

6. Flop cbets are working rather well. Getting folds roughly 45% of the time both IP and OOP (which is a bit odd). I am only cbetting 65% right now and will need to up that quite a bit.

7. Turns cbets are not getting any folds. Turn cbet success drops nearly to 30%. This is probably because once a fish calls flop with a pair or draw they will always want to see a river as well to either bink their draw or 2pr.

8. River cbet success jumps back up to over 45%. 1 or 3 barrels is the way to go. This is generally the case in most games, but it appears to be especially true here.


A quick note on why those success percentages matter. If you bet 2/3pot you need 40% folds to break even (assuming you are bluffing and can never ever win the pot when called).

at 4m its 32/28/9

at 6m its 21/18/7.5

Awesome thread guys.

Question for Benjamin Barker: I notice your redline started by going up and then went back down after a few thousand hands. Is this due to you running really good at the beginning of the challenge (60 bb/100 is not sustainable even for you I'm afraid) and running like crap after, or is it due to an adjustment to micro stakes players not folding enough and you reverting to a weak tight kind of strategy?

I have difficulty to interpret VPIP/PFR/3bet stats.

for example:
If villain have stats: 20/15/2, I will interpret it as he will raise 20% his range, 3bet his 2% premium hands. Of course it depend on his style, position, and opponents range. But what his calling range? My understanding, it between 2% - 7% his range.

It mean his calling range is very tight, no?
99-JJ, AJ+, KQ. Am I right?

I just want to say, I'm really enjoying the thread. Only watched some of the video (been super busy) but have some free time tonight and can't wait to finish it.
Already great stuff for myself and others to remember.
Big thumbs up! And can't wait for more.

I'll answer for Dan since he doesn't seem to be around right now.

Redline winnings are heavily influenced by variance in the short term. If you flop TPTK way more than you "should" in a few thousand hand sample, your redline is going to skyrocket because you will have a hand that is capable of betting 3 streets way more often than you normally would. The same goes for turning well. If you are turning flush draws or scare cards more often than you "should" your redline will go up bc you are able to barrel so much more often.

On the other side of the coin, if you continually get bad turns or rivers that force you to c/f in relatively large pots, your redline will plummet.

Game style also matters. Dan generally has a breakeven-ish redline. When he runs hot it will be positive and when he runs poorly it will be negative.

I have a losing redline. When i run hot it will usually be breakeven or sometimes winning. When I run poorly it will drop at a steeper angle.

There are stats in your HUD for cold call by position. This is helpful once you have some history with villain. I wouldnt pay much attention to these stats until we have about 1k hands on him.

In general you will find that most TAG type players have a cold calling range of something like 22-TT(JJ/QQ), KQ/AJ/AQ(AK), JT/QJ/KQs (89/9Ts) vs EP or MP opens (hands in parentheses will be 3b by some villains and not by others). When they are facing raises from later positions they will generally 3bet a wider value range, and flat some more of the suited connectors/gappers and some offsuit broadways.

Glad you are enjoying it so far.

updated garf

Got to page 6 and subbed. Wow. Can't believe I missed this. SO much great stuff in here. Good luck to both.

I know this is a late entry, this is pretty much up there for THREAD OF THE YEAR on twoplustwo for me.