Skraper vs Benjamin Barker, 10nl to 100nl: Who will be KING of the Micros?
10-28-2011
, 03:06 AM
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I wanted to jot down a few things I have noticed about the 4max tables at everleaf so far. Keep in mind I am specifically talking about Everleaf 10nl 4m tables, so it could be quite different at say ENET 50nl 4m.
1. The reg to fish ratio is phenomenal. I will often find tables where I am the only reg. The tables do turn over a fair bit tho. The fish don't seem to reload all that often.
2 Tons of shortstacks. Sometimes VERY short. Luckily they are all just fish who buy in short and not pro-shorties. I have to be careful sometimes when I am playing a bunch of tables to not set mine vs these guys as I don't have the implied odds.
3. I expected these tables to be extremely loose-aggro preflop. I was wrong. Most of the regs end up something like 28/24 which is only a little more aggro than the regs at 6m. The fish also lean towards the passive side preflop (tho you will occasionally find the crazy aggro-tards). (I'm currently at 32/18 and feel as though I am playing a bit too nitty)
4. I have been 3betting super wide for value and almost never as a bluff. This is partially because there are so many fish that are likely to cold call my 3b, and partially because the regs themselves don't fold pre very often. (Currently 3betting about 9% and its nearly 100% value)
5. I have been reacting very tightly to 3bets from regs. Most of the regs are only 3betting at 5% or so. The fish vary quite a bit in this area, there are many fish who never 3b at all and some who 3bet like 20%. (My fold to 3bet is 60%, but I imagine vs the regs its higher).
6. Flop cbets are working rather well. Getting folds roughly 45% of the time both IP and OOP (which is a bit odd). I am only cbetting 65% right now and will need to up that quite a bit.
7. Turns cbets are not getting any folds. Turn cbet success drops nearly to 30%. This is probably because once a fish calls flop with a pair or draw they will always want to see a river as well to either bink their draw or 2pr.
8. River cbet success jumps back up to over 45%. 1 or 3 barrels is the way to go. This is generally the case in most games, but it appears to be especially true here.
A quick note on why those success percentages matter. If you bet 2/3pot you need 40% folds to break even (assuming you are bluffing and can never ever win the pot when called).
1. The reg to fish ratio is phenomenal. I will often find tables where I am the only reg. The tables do turn over a fair bit tho. The fish don't seem to reload all that often.
2 Tons of shortstacks. Sometimes VERY short. Luckily they are all just fish who buy in short and not pro-shorties. I have to be careful sometimes when I am playing a bunch of tables to not set mine vs these guys as I don't have the implied odds.
3. I expected these tables to be extremely loose-aggro preflop. I was wrong. Most of the regs end up something like 28/24 which is only a little more aggro than the regs at 6m. The fish also lean towards the passive side preflop (tho you will occasionally find the crazy aggro-tards). (I'm currently at 32/18 and feel as though I am playing a bit too nitty)
4. I have been 3betting super wide for value and almost never as a bluff. This is partially because there are so many fish that are likely to cold call my 3b, and partially because the regs themselves don't fold pre very often. (Currently 3betting about 9% and its nearly 100% value)
5. I have been reacting very tightly to 3bets from regs. Most of the regs are only 3betting at 5% or so. The fish vary quite a bit in this area, there are many fish who never 3b at all and some who 3bet like 20%. (My fold to 3bet is 60%, but I imagine vs the regs its higher).
6. Flop cbets are working rather well. Getting folds roughly 45% of the time both IP and OOP (which is a bit odd). I am only cbetting 65% right now and will need to up that quite a bit.
7. Turns cbets are not getting any folds. Turn cbet success drops nearly to 30%. This is probably because once a fish calls flop with a pair or draw they will always want to see a river as well to either bink their draw or 2pr.
8. River cbet success jumps back up to over 45%. 1 or 3 barrels is the way to go. This is generally the case in most games, but it appears to be especially true here.
A quick note on why those success percentages matter. If you bet 2/3pot you need 40% folds to break even (assuming you are bluffing and can never ever win the pot when called).
working like a charm so far. inb4 lolvolume.
10-28-2011
, 01:55 PM
10-28-2011
, 01:56 PM
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this pretty much hits the spot. u have 2 70/5 fish with 30-50bb stacks, and 1 aggro 90/50 min-raising ****** that will just spew money away within a couple of minutes. can't believe how soft these tables are. cbets work well at these tables because of fit or fold passive fish. 3 barreling works also as you get them off 2nd/3rd pair type hands that picked up a draw on turn, but can't call you on river w/o nuts. have u ever 2barreled fish and they just open fold river oop? happens all the time lol
working like a charm so far. inb4 lolvolume.
working like a charm so far. inb4 lolvolume.
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10-28-2011
, 08:33 PM
played some today
got stuck in a bad stretch here for the last little while but hey at least i'm playng lots of big pots and thus generating a ton of rakeback
a river call in spoiler
got stuck in a bad stretch here for the last little while but hey at least i'm playng lots of big pots and thus generating a ton of rakeback
a river call in spoiler
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10-29-2011
, 08:03 PM
phase one complete! kinda sick how much rakeback you generate at the 4max tables.
10-29-2011
, 08:08 PM
here are some stats from the sample is anyone is curious
i think i ran kinda meh in a lot of spots, which is why i think why W$SD and W$WSF are so low - but then again sean thinks i ran hot so who knows what is actually the truth
i think i ran kinda meh in a lot of spots, which is why i think why W$SD and W$WSF are so low - but then again sean thinks i ran hot so who knows what is actually the truth
10-30-2011
, 01:09 AM
Thanks Dan for suggesting Grindcore's videos during our last session and thanks Grindcore for making the videos!
Incoming brag post:
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Cassava Poker $0.15/$0.30 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 1497245
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter
UTG: $62.00
Hero (MP): $47.73
CO: $33.35
BTN: $30.00
SB: $31.08
BB: $89.96
Pre Flop: ($0.45) Hero is MP with Q
K
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.90, 2 folds, SB raises to $3, 1 fold, Hero calls $2.10
Flop: ($6.30) 6 2 
9 
(2 players)
SB bets $4.72, Hero calls $4.72
Turn: ($15.74) 3
(2 players)
SB bets $15.74, Hero raises to $40.01, SB calls $7.62 all in
River: ($62.46) J (2 players - 1 is all in)
This play was kinda bad versus the Fish, just sat down after watching some of Grindcore videos and too excited to jump into the action. But it sets the stage for a bigger hand later...
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Cassava Poker $0.15/$0.30 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 1497247
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter
CO: $85.27
Hero (BTN): $36.60
SB: $35.94
BB: $32.23
UTG: $82.46
Pre Flop: ($0.45) Hero is BTN with 9 T
UTG calls $0.30, CO calls $0.30, Hero raises to $1.65, 2 folds, UTG calls $1.35, 1 fold
Flop: ($4.05) 6 J 4 (2 players)
UTG bets $3.03, Hero calls $3.03
Turn: ($10.11) 9 (2 players)
UTG bets $7.58, Hero calls $7.58
River: ($25.27) 6 (2 players)
UTG bets $25.27, Hero calls $24.34 all in
YEAAA BUOY!
/endbrag
Incoming brag post:
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Cassava Poker $0.15/$0.30 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 1497245
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter
UTG: $62.00
Hero (MP): $47.73
CO: $33.35
BTN: $30.00
SB: $31.08
BB: $89.96
Pre Flop: ($0.45) Hero is MP with Q
K 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.90, 2 folds, SB raises to $3, 1 fold, Hero calls $2.10
Flop: ($6.30) 6
2 9 (2 players)SB bets $4.72, Hero calls $4.72
Turn: ($15.74) 3
(2 players)SB bets $15.74, Hero raises to $40.01, SB calls $7.62 all in
River: ($62.46) J
(2 players - 1 is all in)Spoiler:
This play was kinda bad versus the Fish, just sat down after watching some of Grindcore videos and too excited to jump into the action. But it sets the stage for a bigger hand later...
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Cassava Poker $0.15/$0.30 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 1497247
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter
CO: $85.27
Hero (BTN): $36.60
SB: $35.94
BB: $32.23
UTG: $82.46
Pre Flop: ($0.45) Hero is BTN with 9
T UTG calls $0.30, CO calls $0.30, Hero raises to $1.65, 2 folds, UTG calls $1.35, 1 fold
Flop: ($4.05) 6
J 4 (2 players)UTG bets $3.03, Hero calls $3.03
Turn: ($10.11) 9
(2 players)UTG bets $7.58, Hero calls $7.58
River: ($25.27) 6
(2 players)UTG bets $25.27, Hero calls $24.34 all in
Spoiler:
YEAAA BUOY!
/endbrag
10-30-2011
, 03:37 PM
gj
10-30-2011
, 03:43 PM
again
I said you were running hot when you were up 12 buy in 1k hands (when you claimed you were running bad) we havent really talked about it since then
10-30-2011
, 05:19 PM
10-30-2011
, 05:57 PM
10-31-2011
, 06:39 AM
Can you explain your thinking process, why you bet on the river? I 100% check it for safety. I guess this is a leak of me
10-31-2011
, 10:43 AM
11-02-2011
, 02:26 PM
Spoiler:
11-02-2011
, 06:27 PM
11-02-2011
, 06:57 PM