to give you an idea of the softness:

dude just opened cutoff 3x (lol sizing in this format), i defended button w/Q7s

flop: KQ3r, he bets 1/2 pot and I call
turn: 7x, bets 1/2 pot and I call
river: 8, he checks, I bet $44 into $50, he jams $150 more, I snap. he shows AK. knowing this player im 99% sure it was a value shove. chinese fish are my new favorites

same fish as above. I open J10 in co, button defends

flop: KQ9, I bet 1/3, he pots it
turn: J, he bets 2/3 pot leaving about half the bet size behind, i ship and he snaps with K8

up $500 so far this session. up $700 EV

these guys love me lol. one of the 400z regs just flatted co vs button with a4s, peeled vs 1/3 on Q62 with a bdfd, then c/shoved vs 3/4 on a Kx turn that didn't give him a fd., that's another easy $500 (had KQ). im never playing no ante poker again

when i start running bad someone point me back to these posts, plz and thx

up $1100 on the session now, +$2000 on the day


anyone ever gotten AKs in all 4 suits at the same time across 4 zoom tables? very nice on the eyes

what a crazy session. was up as much as $1300 at one point, but ended completely b/e. once again ran below ev, but only $300 this time.

made one river call I really didn't like, but besides that I think I played close to A game all day. staying focused for 12 hours of 4 tabling zoom is not easy, but it's been a nice distraction from being sick.

today's results:

7600 hands
+$900 (+$3000 EV)

overall rush and cash results (yesterday's overall results were miscalculated - forgot to subtract rake from the winnings and somehow I thought I had played 3k more hands than I did - too much zoom lol):

19k hands
+$4100 (21.5 BI)
+$6400 EV (32 BI)

lmao the variance is so brutal but i love this game


I'm in 6th now in the rake race, but I'm only ~6 hours of grinding from overtaking 1st

tgigs-

your obsession with your "EV" line on a session to session basis is noobish and potentially detrimental to your mental game (particularly when you're enduring a downswing or breakeven patch).

focus on more important things for mental strength and stability

Holy ****! That's some sick volume you're putting in!

Out of curiosity, how different do you think this ante game IS and SHOULD be played? I assume we need to be a lot more loose preflop, but what about 3b ranges? So many potentially awkward SPR spots... On the other hand if everyone is spewing left and right we should play tighter

Interesting. I’ve found that it has the opposite effect for me. Although I don’t think mentioning what my aiev was compared to my actual results is obsessive lol





I think it should be played extremely differently than normal Holdem. Open sizes and ranges should be wider (I think), limping makes a lot more sense in a lot spots, and you really have to pay attention to the pool and open based on who’s to your left. There’s a decent # of shortstackers but only 1-2 are actually short stacking well

Depending on open size ppl should be defending 60-100% of range on the button. Vs my 4x pre some regs are folding 0% otb and folding to cbets 75%+ otf. Some fish are folding 50%+ otb vs a 4x. Obviously both of these approaches allow me to print




going on day 5 now of being sick. I've never been sick longer than 3 days in my entire life. this is so unbelievable brutal. woke up freezing cold with my blankets completely drenched thru with sweat. not sure if i like that feeling or the first knife-stabbing swallow more. my bf has insisted he comes over today (it's his day off) even though I told him I'm super contagious and it's not a good idea, he said he just wants to be with me and makes sure im ok. going to a hospital in the states tomorrow if I still have a fever/really bad throat pain, no excuses

technically if I follow doctors orders I wouldn't see him for 2+ more weeks because im contagious for 2 weeks after the illness is gone. but who can put their life on hold for 3+ weeks total? i already miss him a lot. it really sucks to have this happen just as im starting a new relationship

Yeah, I thought that it can be played somewhat similarly to 6+ holdem in regards to preflop action, like lots of limping, defending medium hands and so on... Sounds difficult, but fun!

Where do you play?

What is the set up of this game?

I haven't played too much 6+ but yeah you definitely have to play a lot more speculative hands like T9o in the CO. it's more difficult because ranges are way wider, but when ranges are wider i think i have a bigger advantage

everywhere lol. lately i've been on natural8, but I've also been playing on WPN, Bodog, Stars, a little on RIO for fun, and a little further in the past I played a bit on Party.

-the buyin is $60-$200
-there is no big blind or small blind, action starts to the left of the button pre and post flop
-everyone antes $1 pre, button posts an additional $1 as a blind
-$1 is taken as rake every hand, even if no flop is seen
-65% rakeback is given through splash pots, about ~5% of hands and usually just $10. slightly less often it's 15 or 20, and one time I got a $500 splash pot, which is just chopped 6 ways instead of flipping for it (rake is still 11bb/100 after rakeback so pretty brutal rake structure)



played a quick hour. lost $1200 total, broke even on EV. wanted to keep going but i just got the most insane hunger pains, so bad I want to throw up. gunna shower and see if I can get some breakfast in me

Interesting, do they have higher stakes of it?

There’s a $120-$400 buyin, $2 ante. Only runs a couple hours a day and it’s way tougher, usually just one or two fish with a 7-10 regs

So far it’s my favorite version of poker Ive played. I think it would be such a dope live format if the buyin was raised to like $250-$500, $2 ante.

can you show me the math how you come to this conclusion?

not sure if accurate but

they take $1/hand or $100/100 hands = 100bb/100

100bb/100 divided by 6 players is 16.67bb/100 rake per player pre rakeback (no rake on 5 handed or shorter games)

but there's 65% rakeback, so we're only paying 35% of that on average (maybe slightly less if people are playing splash pots worse than us, maybe slightly more if there's a lot of shortstackers playing well in the splash pots because they have an advantage - im assuming it likely evens out)

16.67 x 0.35 = 5.83bb/100 rake

must have done the math wrong before lol. not that bad actually. the rb is subject to insane variance, but people are playing splashes so bad. i dont understand why every single chinese player (except the 2-3 regs) iso to 3x regardless of position, limpers, size of the splash etc. it can limp around for $1 to the button with $30-40 in the pot. the button can have anywhere from $30-80 behind and he will make it $3 to go every single time and almost always fold to a shove. **** like that has been blowing my mind. it's almost like a ******ed bot, except every single player from china (and some other asian players) do it.

hehe, now we have the same results on rake

did you realise that once you close a table and reopen another one, you always sit on bb. So you always post ante + bb but the "sitout next bb" function is not working properly. Which makes it really hard to sitout correctly. maybe this is why all the shortstackers busto

i did this mistake too on first 3 days, not sure how much money i lost rejoining randomly

If you haven't bean eating/have gone into ketosis your body tends to stop retaining water and you can drop up to 5kg pretty automatically (will come back when system is normal again)

Might have done my calculations backwards the first time lol

Yeah I noticed that, but I don’t ever rat hole so it isn’t an issue. I just make sure not to sit out next hand directly after being the blind (although being the button in this game is so advantageous that it might be worth the extra $1 to want more buttons than any other position. Would be curious to know if that’s true)

That makes a lot of sense. I feel like I knew this already but forgot haha

Splash pots don’t directly translate to rakeback. 65% cash back is the most you could possibly win, not the fixed amount you’ll win. The only direct rakeback you earn is when the table splits 500... but you said that happens rarely. The splash pots you still have to play and win in order to recoup cash back. Using 20-25% “rb” instead of 65% in your rake calc is far more realistic. In other words the rake is 9-11bb/100 playing 50bb stacks.

Irt to the amount of hands you’ve played etc. I don’t think the best in the world could win 20bb/100 w/50bb stack playing nl or any other high winrates you’ve thrown around. The only game you might be able to sustain a winrate like that would be 2-7sd. It’s not a personal attack on you or your skill as a poker player, but a take on what’s theoretically possible within the contruct of the game itself.

For example, if everyone was 200bb deep instead of <100 then you’d have a higher prob of crushing the games despite the high rake. At 50bb stacks and raking pots w/no flop makes it more of a casino game than a poker game. The rake race still makes it lucrative but it involves out grinding eastern bloc and Chinese players which is a feat of its own

Which room is it?!

Don't trust in the RB %s advertised by GG, they give much less than that (at least to "winning" players)

Wherever he is currently on a heater over 10k hands with a 15bb wr which he decides is sustainable before getting smacked in the face by reality and tries another site/lower limit

jeez upswinging. im gunna you the benefit of the doubt that this is not a troll and try to reply.

I don't need to win 100% of the 65% that they splash in order to get 65% rb. I'm not paying 100% of the rake.

no, using 20-25% rb is not realistic. can you show your work?

I agree. it's a good thing tons of bad players play 100-300bb deep.

have you ever played chinese players? they're 10x worse than americans (on average). like, raising top pair no kicker otf and stacking off for 100+ bb to a shove

you've never played these games upswinging, but you have a lot of opinions about them lol

GG network

I know what you're talking about. the normal rb is subject to a score they assign to you based on a lot of factors (being a winning player is a big one) so you end with 10-70% depending on your score.

the rb for their zoom game is different. there is no direct rb, it's added to the game in the form of splash pots. they have the odds of each splash and a way to look up every hand/every splash pot and how much $ is in the splash pot pool, so it's fairly transparent.


@sb, no idea what you said but I'm assuming this is relevant:

Who’s Trolling who here? I’ve probably made over a dozen well thought out posts in your thread and you’ve done nothing but make troll/ half ass comments in return. I can’t tell if you’re trolling or if your 400/month weed habit has turned you into a paranoid ******. Either way it’s kinda sad bro.

How often are you splitting 500 6 ways? What is the average size of splash pots? What is your ev in each hand of splash pots played? How often are you winning splash pots? How often are you dealt a playable hand in a splash pot? How much does your ev in splash pots fluctuate based on stack sizes and positions? Are you factoring the rake paid in the splash pots themselves in your “ev” calcs? Those are just a few of the questions that need to be answered. However, this is incomplete data that requires a huge hand sample (which you don’t have) in order to come to a definitive % of “rakeback”.

If you took a prob and statistics crash course or database analysis, or better yet a formal education (but wait, you dropped out of college to play this game lol), you’d most definitely come to the same conclusions as other posters and myself irt rake, winrates and even the specific format you’re playing. If you actually ran a business it’s pretty obvious that overestimating profits can lead to bankruptcy / insolvency. That’s why it’s standard business practice to err on the conservative side when analyzing and hypothesizing using incomplete information.

Where is your real analysis of rake, rakeback, and your winrate in these games? Besides you quoting what the lol poker site says and your tiny hand samples i don’t see data or any critical thoughts placed into your estimates. Just a degenerate using best case scenarios and ignoring facts staring at you in the face.