Has the penny dropped that regs can read and posting your entire (funky) strat on here without disguising your un not the greatest idea of all time.
On another note, I asked several times in BQ (and so have plenty of others) for the best euro alternative to stars...I've yet to see a meaningful reply. I've played on Unibet and 888 and I didn't actually think them any softer, and the software (esp on 888) just totally sucks. Don't know what the best site for RB is????????? So come on stars haters, let's have a solid recommendation...I'll give it a whirl.
Rofl @telling another reg where the softest games are. What is this, 2006?
Rofl @telling another reg where the softest games are. What is this, 2006?
Maybe read before you type? Or are you just a peddle bin...someone treads on your toe and a whole load of junk spews out?
I did not ask where the softest games are...I asked (in response to a "I hate Stars" post) if anyone had a recommendation of a viable alternative (inc volume, population size, game types, hud support, softness, software & rewards/rb etc etc etc), noting that whilst it is routine for folk hereabouts to slag off stars, no one ever comes up with the alternative goods.
Or are you just a peddle bin...someone treads on your toe and a whole load of junk spews out?.
Booooooooommmm!!!!
The alternative is ofc unibet. No huds means regs don't like playing there, and fish don't lose their money as quickly. Can play more or less anonymously, no seating scripts and all that jazz. Traffic isn't great but depends what you want to play, nl50 is normally good for 6 tables, nl100 is similar and fluctuates. Have to say nl100 I have found tough but haven't really tried that hard as nl50 is pretty soft right now so a good bankroll builder.
888 yes that software is bad, so is ipoker, haven't played those for ages, don't really want to go back to playing with a hud either.
That's why you guys are silly for still playing on ps after they blatantly robbed you.
Here's a genius idea. How about you tighten up your ranges, play simple TAG poker and own them? Also why don't you go over you monthly db and work out how many bb's you have spewed off. lolz
I already do that, man, I don't choose to RFI 100% in all tables, I usually play like a 24-26 VPIP player vs people that are defending their blinds well. The thing here is that recently random nits started adjusting, and since they have a very low 3-bet, I can't defend my opens properly.
As an example, a nit with 5% 3-bet and 1 digit re-steal had K4s yesterday after 3-betting me. How am I supposed to defend properly with that lack of info?
It seems my strat is going really poorly for me, specially since I can't stand the emotional pressure. Not to say that it's bad(regs are stacking off with a waaaaaay looser range vs me), but I'm getting the hard part of variance a ton. I'll keep playing my game on 50z, next time I move to 100z I'll think of something.
The hard part is that I play so much different vs different players that my strat is very hard to apply well and it leaves me with a ton of margin to make mistakes.
As an example, vs a reg I try to be as balanced as possible, I have 2 sizings/frequencies OTF depending on the texture, vs a whale/aggro it changes, vs nits/weaktight fish, another one, and it goes all the way until the river depending on the texture/my hand/actions.
I'm playing the biggest range of strats possible in the games I play, vs some guys I stackoff lightly, vs some guys I flat AK pre, fold overpairs OTF. It's just too much weird stuff going on and it makes me easier to tilt, add some variance into the mix and boom: there's this graph
The higher you play , along with poor br managment leads to frustration-tilt-Foggy thoughts-bad play-spew.
Fix your leaks, steady build br , then move up shooting higher
H1: it seems like std(or just call the river), but it's a fold OTF, this guy had like a 17% AFq OTF, 0.53 AF overall. I kept leveling myself into calling like a ****** and fold in the best river possible(because he isn't bluffing ever).
Turn:(47.32 BB, 2 players) 9 BB checks, Hero bets 23.37 BB, BB raises to 100.5 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 54.13 BB and is all-in
River:(202.32 BB, 2 players) A Players agreed to run it twice.
River #2:(202.32 BB, 2 players) K
Spoiler:
BB shows 9 9 (Three of a Kind, Nines)
Board #1 (Pre 53%, Flop 8%, Turn 82%)
(Three of a Kind, Nines)
Board #2 (Pre 52%, Flop 8%, Turn 81%)
Hero shows T K (One Pair, Tens)
Board #1 (Pre 47%, Flop 92%, Turn 18%)
(Two Pair, Kings and Tens)
Board #2 (Pre 48%, Flop 92%, Turn 19%)
BB wins 99.91 BB BB wins 99.91 BB
H3: really thin valuebet, vs guy that stationed me a bit before. It's not that a good of a valuebet because I block 99 which could call, also he tanked a ton before calling with the best hand lol. But I couldn't be able to know how loose he could call, I usually just go for it in these spots if I think they can call me with worse. So meh, not that bad.
River:(88.08 BB, 2 players) Q BB bets 64.19 BB, Hero calls 58.55 BB and is all-in
Spoiler:
BB shows 9 T (Three of a Kind, Nines)
(Pre 39%, Flop 87%, Turn 95%) Hero shows Q K (Two Pair, Kings and Queens)
(Pre 61%, Flop 13%, Turn 5%) BB wins 202.68 BB
Now get ready for the spew, boys
H5: couldn't believe he would make it with a value hand, it makes sense only with draws if I'm bet-folding worse always(am I bet-folding always? lol). Really ******ed move by villain, but mine is 1000x more ******ed because I fell for that lol, leveled myself into calling.
Turn:(37.64 BB, 2 players) 2 BB checks, Hero bets 11.84 BB, BB raises to 81.43 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 69.59 BB and is all-in
River:(200.5 BB, 2 players) 4 Players agreed to run it twice.
River #2:(200.5 BB, 2 players) J
Spoiler:
BB shows A Q (Two Pair, Queens and Twos)
Board #1 Main Pot [200.5 BB]: (Pre 61%, Flop 81%, Turn 95%) (Two Pair, Queens and Twos)
Board #2 Main Pot [200.5 BB]: (Pre 61%, Flop 81%, Turn 95%)
Hero shows 8 T (Two Pair, Eights and Twos)
Board #1 Main Pot [200.5 BB]: (Pre 39%, Flop 19%, Turn 5%) (Two Pair, Eights and Twos)
Board #2 Main Pot [200.5 BB]: (Pre 39%, Flop 19%, Turn 5%)
BB wins 99 BB BB wins 99 BB
H6: Now I understand why people are raising TP OTF lol. I think villain's play on this board wasn't really good, since this board is good for my range, but against a tilted rapidesh, always the best move.
H7: Not a tilt hand, vs the same guy, right after H6 we ended up in the same spot lol!!! Guy went really greedy and made the same x/r, trying to run me over. What would you guys do in this spot? I went for the same play I did, but maybe calling could be better.
fold, fold, CO raises to 2.5 BB, fold, Hero raises to 10 BB, fold, CO calls 7.5 BB
Flop:(21 BB, 2 players) K 8 7 Hero bets 6.6 BB, CO raises to 23.18 BB, Hero raises to 90 BB and is all-in, fold
Hero wins 64.86 BB
H8: vs fish, it's a fold OTF, such a big sizing, no backdoors, he always has overpairs there. So it's probably a fold pre-flop too, but his sizing was so small. Meh, terrible call OTR. It doesn't look as ugly as the AQ hand or the 86 hand, but I think this spew OTR is way worse than those 2, at least in those 2 I have a chance of winning the pot if he is tilted or something, OTR here we're always burning 25bb.
The higher you play , along with poor br managment leads to frustration-tilt-Foggy thoughts-bad play-spew.
Fix your leaks, steady build br , then move up shooting higher
Yeah, I think I'll stay on 50z for a while.
But small BRM don't usually tilt me, I played a ton of sessions with 14-17 BI on 50z and I wasn't tilting because of that. I usually tilt when someone make like some really bull**** calldown when I'm bluffing lol.
H1, H4, H5 and H8 are all fine in theory, but yet I'm rambling about them being really terrible, why do you think I have that opinion in those hands?
he is only getting called by KQ and some people even fold that in the pool. His only hope of getting called by worse is when playing vs a tilted villain(me) or a fish. Just because a play is fine in theory, it doesn't mean it's a good move in practice
just as an example, this is bad according to theory, but would you say it's bad in practice or an excellent fold?
You're not opening your mind. Just try and open your mind. Too many counters to (I'm trying to be nice) what is mostly standard stuff.
If I had to quote your leaks in one sentence, it would be that you overthink too much.
A+ post, man, thanks for taking the time to write it
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as villain I would be 100% checking this turn. That means my flop x/r are still my turn x/r. My JT is still a check. I know it looks like I'm being results oriented here but I'm not. I used to hate hate hate checking back like a 789 flop then betting an A turn and getting x/r. Then I thought about what was happening and was like ohhhhhhhh
Instead of thinking about what bluffs you have ott, think about what air you are still x/giving up. That makes single pairs great double-check candidates
You convinced me on the AK hand, really good stuff, K is good for our range but overall we're really crushed on this texture and there isn't much we can get value from, most of the stuff villain have are no equity hands, monsters and strong draws(pair + draw, pair + FD).
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dude its a J84 two tone (in our suit) lol, its not a JT9. Sometimes you gotta play your specific hand to a specific texture, but I mean, this isn't even a range check texture. you have a ton of value you want to be betting here and honestly I get a boner when I can bet AK nfd and get x/r.
Yeah, I'm quite more careful than I should, board is still annoying and our range will get raised there a ton, but population don't do it enough, so meh, betting is better. It was almost the only x back I've made in the last 30k hands in that spot, so as a low frequency play it's fine.
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I don't know how to say this in technical terms, but oftentimes 3 betting a hand bc it makes it easier to play is best. If you vomit on this and say but doug says this or rio says that, I dunno, you may be too far gone. But you are just rarely making a mistake 3betting strong value hands. If people have razor thin 4bet ranges then fold to 4bet. If they don't then gii. If they fold too much to 3bet then 3bet more. If they fold to A/K high flops too much then bluff them more. Size down. Print money. Bet 1/7th pot if you have too. There are so many counters to nits and flatting premiums isn't really one of them. The way to combat nits is not to start calling the top of your range. Its to tighten your range. But still play it with aggression.
neither RIO nor doug say we should flat AK pre, it's one stuff that I've implemented in my game because I played almost 700k hands of 9-max, so I used to deal a ton with nits there. Today I saw one of those nits and I had QQ vs his CO open, quite annoying lol. But I saw that he had an insane 4-bet stat(even for a nit), he had 66 there on his range too, so went for a 3-bet-jam vs that. Only in those specific positions vs that specific guy.
And nits overfold even to 1/7th of pot, if they're not folding, they're calling with the mentality of hitting their set, like post-flop setmining.
AK is a good hand, but do you know that for a while, I was making more with AQ than with AK? Variance mostly, but depending on the environment and our approach to it, I can see that happening in the long run.
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disagree with range cbet but w/e. As for river bluff, there are times, esp at the lower stakes, where it doesn't matter what we are representing. we need to bet a size that makes them fold (and achieves a fold at a high enough frequency that makes the bet size profitable) In many cases, like this one, the profitable bluff size is likely >1.5x pot.
Yeah, will try to see spots to explo overbet bluff. Even those stations don't call me light when I 2x pot.
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4bet folding. just bc people are 3bet happy does not mean they are stuffing 96o. I mean maybe they are but you find that out over time. this is a mistake people make live a lot though. Some very good players will do spew stuff like open 5x blind or 3bet like 15% of hands. Then 400bbs goes in post flop vs some "wizard" that called them down with 3rd pair and asks "how they had it that time"
I'm not calling 3rd pair until the river, idea was to flop a FD, let him barrel a bit and jam with equity, getting value from his bluffs. I don't usually 4-bet-fold these guys, will test it later and see how it works. From my experience, people just 5-bet a ton or call and make our life even worse.
Btw, ended up playing some today, couldn't hold myself lol.
Played A game, really good!
Here are 2 interesting hands, it's quite an inverted scenario for me and for both different villains. Basically we're in a scenario where the turn card is very good for the pre-flop caller's range, now see how each one of those players(me included) approach that certain card. In the end, it was just a cooler with the AA hand, but this is a turn that we would check a ton, KQ got there, we block AK also. In the AT hand he is just coolering himself and not getting value from my bluffs, the only benefit he has is that he denies equity from my draws.
Btw, is my float with AT/bet turn ok? Villain was 3-betting quite light and cbetting a ton, he wasn't double barreling much, so his checking range had probably some slowplays, but imo he should have tons of give ups too.
cheers mate for the helpful reply, I've been thinking of giving unibet another shot, busy with a zoom challenge right now, but defo gonna try other sites maybe March April?
cheers mate for the helpful reply, I've been thinking of giving unibet another shot, busy with a zoom challenge right now, but defo gonna try other sites maybe March April?
Heard a rumour they may be getting a shared pool with Stan James players who are merging so that will be great for traffic
Going to take a small vacation from poker, will come back on monday. I shouldn't have played yesterday and today, still kinda tilted, even with that managed to pull really good sessions, when things started going spewy I snap called it a session. 16 BI below EV this month, also got coolered a ton/terrible runouts, bluffs got called and valuebets got folds.
So annoying to have a +EV month but lose 2x of the EV. Meh. Even with these terrible results, I'm happy with how I improved in the game, making really sick plays, spewing less overall and getting really good at recognizing how ranges interact with different textures/runouts.
Will just try to chill out and refresh my mind so I can come back next week and play some good sessions.
Here are the refreshed graphs of the month:
BB
$
Some hands
H1: Guy tanked for almost his entire time bank and called in the last 4 seconds lol. TBH I couldn't even imagine that he had top set there lol, was trying to fold something like A2o lol. It's amazing to see how some guys in the pool give me so much credit and other ones just call me with any crap
H3: vs weaktight fish, OTT it's quite close if it's a jam or not, these guys usually overfold when the A hits, but I took so much time thinking about the jam that he probably thought I was bluffing and snapped me off lol. It's a good value jam, nothing good will come from checking and giving this guy some cards, he isn't bluffing me anyways. Vs a station it's a snap jam ofc.
River:(42.7 BB, 2 players) 9 Hero bets 21.08 BB, CO raises to 87.66 BB and is all-in, fold
CO wins 80.86 BB
H5: vs nit, almost folded the river, but he could be doing it with another set, right? I hate to have valuebets vs nits, so annoying. Should I raise-fold the river? Or do you guys think the nit could have lower sets?
H6. The only thing worse than that brazil reg barreling JJ on that board is you opening 46s in CO and then calling a 3bet, and then calling turn.You were rightfully owned.'Brazilian regs' = lolz
H7. pretty bad overplay. Good jam with AK I'd say but not with that.
H9. No idea what you are doing here. 3bet pre is bad. Then you bomb flop and jam turn. He probably folded AKo. wp.
64s was kinda loose pre, should have folded, this guy was a nit, but I thought he was 3-betting me lighter to punish my opens. Vs normal 3-bets it's ok, like 12%+, but vs a guy 3-betting 9%, it's better to fold, specially since he is going super aggro post-flop(and he can do it, given his tightness).
Since I'm not playing, I'll take these days analysing my database and trying to build some plans in the areas I'm not sure of.
Those areas are:
Calling in the big blind vs nit opens(10% opens) and how to play post-flop properly.
X/r frequencies OTF/OTT, overall strategy as the pre-flop caller
3-betting vs nits(I think I'm 3-betting way too tight)
Calling 3-bets
Why am I losing when I open SCs
First I'll start with
Calling in the big blind vs nit opens(10% opens) and how to play post-flop properly.
I'm really not sure about what I can profitably call pre vs these guys in the BB, I usually take into account their open size, if it's like 3x, I'm only flatting PPs, AQo+, JTs+, folding even KQo and AJo, is it ok? Now vs 2x-2.5x I get more liberal, call 46s, maybe I should call hands like 6Ts? I'm talking about guys that open really tight here, like even 77+ AQ+ from UTG.
But what really makes me confused is how to deal with them post-flop. Since their range is very strong, they won't fold a ton, my normal approach is to try to get some decent equity, like gutshot + BDFD and go for a check-raise and put some pressure on them(since they cbet at a high frequency). Is it any good? Or should I be playing more defensive, trying to realize my equity rather than try to deny his? I usually go for stabs OTT with equity too, which seems to be a good play, but I can't get too crazy since those guys love to slowplay some pairs and bluff catch me.
Here are my graphs from the BB(150k hands sample):
Called 2-bet
Called 2-bet IP(b vs b)
Called 2-bet OOP
Is that winrate any good for the pre-flop actions? Take into consideration I'm calling a very tight range OOP, while loose vs SB opens.
Here are my winrates per position, are them normal?
Last edited by Rapidesh123; 02-01-2018 at 10:30 AM.
I think we can overfold vs EP opens from true nits and be happy that we’re exploiting them far more than they are us. It also depends lots on their postflop tendencies, if they’re consistently betting multiple streets I think overfolding pre becomes a better option as we avoid playing bloated pots with a weaker range oop. Lots of nits tend to be even more straightforward post flop than they are pre and only put money in with high equity so we can call wider and stab more turns when flop checks through and expect better fold equity. Generally though imo just fold more given we have less equity vs their range than normal, more difficulty realising our equity and likely to have difficulty getting value when we do make a hand.