I will give you nits and aggro regs, who will say oro is ******ed.
You not recognizing sowiet wings as a good player despite being tighter preflop is ur ego just obessed with certain stats and what they "should" be in ur own fantasy world where stats make winrates.

You're in the minority thinking that the pie is getting bigger. The better the winning players get the quicker the recs lose, therefore disincentivising them from playing which reduces the size of the pie.

I didn't say it's getting bigger at this moment. My point it will get bigger if all the average/beginning regs have access to all the PIO/GTO stuff. Their friends and family will see them winning and want to come back to online poker. It's a snowball effect that you wouldn't not at the beginning but as time goes on that snowball(new player pool) will grow exponentially. It wouldn't happen overnight but over the course of about 5 years.

Many recs (aka losing players) play infrequently and purely as a source of entertainment. If they saw Pio they'd much more likely not play anymore than use it to study lol. Think about how many people are against the use of HUD's and x1000 for their reaction to a solver.

No one gives a **** about their friend grinding out $10 an hour after putting in **** loads of work. Look at every popular poker story. The last time I remember seeing poker in the news was when that old british guy got to the final table of the wsop main event.

I'm a winning micro stakes player over **** tonnes of hands where I probably average far less than $2 an hour. I have people i know laugh at that even though I've won thousands of dollars. Yet listening to stories of complete idiots winning £800 in a night is interesting to them even though if you dig deeper they are thousands in the hole.

If every market in the world came back tomorrow there would be a resurgence in poker but it'd die out so quick. Rake is worse, fish lose money quicker, more regs, more info to get better etc.

No, you still have to put in the work even with the PIO/GTO stuff and the average joe in the western world does not want to waste their time grinding out 5-10 bucks an hour (if they are even able to get to that level, which is highly unlikely). They'd rather socialize, have real life hobbies and generally enjoy their free time. Poker is the last thing most people want to spend their free time on.

I'm not arguing that the rec's will ever even look at the PIO stuff. I'm arguing that there will be a much greater chance that they will see their buddy who is a good reg making money playing poker and will start playing for that reason. They will never try to improve or even know that improvement exists. All these new clueless rec's is where the money will come from. I.e., the player pool will get larger. On average there will be way more bad players than potential good players in this ever increasing pool/pie. More players for the sharks to eat.

Most of the adjustments are simple to figure out and counter after you have enough information, the hard part is being confident enough to make a huge deviation.

I always waited for at least some decent blockers to go nuts on a spot vs someone I thought was imbalanced in a certain spot, that approach is good vs competent regs that are paying attention, now vs a 4 tabling reg that doesn't even know he is getting owned, that approach is leaving money on the table.

As an example, vs turn overbluffs you could print by raising any2 and overdefending SDV, vs a decent reg he will get your adjustment and readjust, vs a bad reg he will get exploited in this spot countless times until he realizes what's going on, and when he does he will probably end up spewing like that guy that jammed tpwk vs my set in a spot jamming was way worse than calling(his only option if he thought I was abusing him).

By increasing my calls from 45% to 50% and turn raises from 5% to 7% I will defend more vs his overbluffs without getting noticed and having to play the readjusting game (which I suck).

And yeah, my plan is to focus on beating fish/weak regs for a bigger amount. I will obv end up studying some of my crazy **** from time to time because I know I love studying/making theories about those ******ed useless spots/strats. But will restrict my studies on those as much as I can.

Yes to the first part, and no to the second part. They would fix the rake problem over time if this happens. It can happen, and my whole point is an increase in better players will cause it. Like I said it would be a slow process at first but exponentially increase with time.

Imagine Stars being allowed to have American's play again and advertising on our TV again. It would be great. But what get's this ball rolling at first is an increase in good regs making real money from the game.

I've studied all the hands in my database that each of those regs played that went to showdown (all but seta-beni).

About beating fish, the strat to beat each type of fish is different and some of the strats are the worst possible strats when used vs a wrong type of fish. As an example, if you use your strat to beat a nit fish vs an aggro fish, that's losing insane for you, if you use a strat to beat a nit fish vs a station fish, the same, if you use the strat to beat the station vs a nit fish, terrible too. I had trouble identifying each fish type, which makes my life harder.

His preflop stats were fine, I thought he was bad because he had 44 wwsf

I'm not gonna bother replying again cause we're never gonna agree but I will say that there's a reason stars has added all these bs games appealing to recs and it's not because they want to increase skill edge.

Orgasme! Finaly one guy with clear eyes And mind!
Cheers mzbourg
And again mega lol at rapid and his insane ego, idees and logics

Yes. You studied 15 hands and made conclusions based on a 15 hand sample. Do you not realize that by definition you can't have a big enough sample to make any of the claims you're saying?

That's why you have a hud, common sense and generalizations. Not hard to understand what the differnence is between the 31/4 and the 62/48.

Fact is, your money is always going to come from weaker players, it doesn't matter how good you think you will be 20 years from now because you think outside the box. It's all a race to the fish's money.

So their buddy makes money playing poker. They then decide to start doing the same, lose, and never ask their buddy how it is he's winning?

Are you just being ******ed for the **** of it?

How is this not a 5 star thread?

wow I thought he was trolling but it seems he's actually serious, unlucky xd

lel

I don't agree with your theory WolrdzMine. The more stronger players there are, the quicker fish lose their money. When the fish are gone the stronger players end up breaking even against each other and quit poker because it becomes boring. Then poker dries up and less people play. At even some of the 100NL games the player pool can get pretty tough and can get quite boring. I've railed 2000NL sometimes and the regs usually sit out unless a mark comes along.

I don't know about you, but none of my friends or family care about poker at all. Recreationals are not there to make money, but mostly to have fun. When their chances of winning in a session are reduced their likelihood of returning is reduced as well.

I think something that has really hurt live poker, is the condescending tone poker players have when dealing with recs. Instead of socializing with them they make snarky remarks about how they played the hand wrong. Poker is much less a leisurely game as it once was, now it is more serious and competitive.

Online, HUDs and easy access to strategy has made people better and as a result the games are drying up. I think HUDs have really hurt the game more than people realize. In my opinion they are not genuine to the true form of the game and give regs an unfair advantage over recreationals.

Tournaments are still as soft as ever. There is a lot more variance and fish have a greater chance of winning. Another bonus is nobody expects to win very often so it keeps players coming back.

Guys I just spent 3 months creating and running sims on my 2nd computer 24/h a day. I now have 180gb of sims. I will be uploading this on a public dropbox for all the 2+2 trolls and random mongoloids who are too lazy to do the work themselves to share. Im hoping this will create a new influx of rec players who will be feeding the poker ecology again.

#Makepokergreatagain.

I think WorldzMine point is that by bringing more motivated grinders we would somehow end up making poker mainstream again, and that would attract the big donators to the game. Maybe there would be more money for advertising, idk how really.

The important thing to know is that we need big fish to keep the games running in a high rake environment. Poker is a predatory game, and increasing rake just makes it more predatory.

Lol, you guys are being explo trolled by worldz like nobody was trolled before haha!

Vaaaamoooo

Lol, I don't think I saw 60 vpip guy even once this year with over 100 hands sample

Neither those 31/4, most of the fish I see are like 14/2, 33/22, or regular preflop stats but bad postflop

And I have 4k hands on sowiet wings, looked at a looot of hands from him, as well as his boom

No, they like 99.999% of people will only play poker for "fun" (whatever that means in a game that I would never remotely label that way) and will never try to improve or will only make small improvements. Also the vast majority of people in the world don't even remotely have the intellectual capacity to improve even if they wanted to.

Then you're not understanding it. This is correct only *if* the amount of players is static or decreasing. My "theory" is the opposite, that the number of players will increase exponentially. Anyone who doubts this is ignoring the history of the last boom. The main cause of the massive influx of new rec's ~~> them seeing Chris Moneymaker win the WSOP. Why wouldn't people seeing other people close to them in their lives actually making money not cause the same type of interest but in each individual's micro-environment?

You all can ***** and moan about poker supposedly "dying" or you can help be part of it's Renaissance. The choice is your's and the clock is ticking.