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11-02-2018 , 04:57 PM
It's both. Otherwise I wouldn't be coaching for the price I am still when my hourly at poker is higher.

GL in November
11-02-2018 , 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by eenvis
By saying you'd do better vs top regs than most 200z regs, ur basically saying ur a top 200z reg.
Ur argument that ur losing because u don't know how to beat whales is the most ******ed thing ever.
If u had posted this in 2006 you'd be the first to get trolled with "move up to where they respect ur raises"
Orojanivu is one of the biggest winners at 200z and he wouldn't stand a chance at 500z, possibly would lose at a 2 digit bb/100 from what I know about his game(if he played exactly like he plays at 200z)

Sowiet wings would never have a higher $/h at 500z than 200z.

Seta-beni probably would underperform vs tougher oposition but I think he can hold his own

Regs like alltoonew and clanty are obviously better than I am in every aspect of the game

All regs I posted are successfull and I'm semi-busto, obv I'm not better at poker than they are.

My argument was that I didn't play with a strategy greedy enough to beat the rake by not abusing people's weaknesses enough. I was too conservative with bluffs that were bad in theory and good in practice, or with valuebets that were good in theory and bad in practice.

Also had bad plays both in theory and practice, but then I just deserve to lose by doing that kind of ****.

Last edited by Rapidesh123; 11-02-2018 at 05:18 PM.
11-02-2018 , 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Brokenstars
It's both. Otherwise I wouldn't be coaching for the price I am still when my hourly at poker is higher.

GL in November
Thanks, teach! Will do my best!

Vaaaamooooo!
11-02-2018 , 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Rapidesh123
Orojanivu is one of the biggest winners at 200z and he wouldn't stand a chance at 500z, possibly would lose at a 2 digit bb/100 from what I know about his game(if he played exactly like he plays at 200z)

Sowiet wings would never have a higher $/h at 500z than 200z.

Seta-beni probably would underperform vs tougher oposition but I think he can hold his own

Regs like alltoonew and clanty are obviously better than I am in every aspect of the game

All regs I posted are successfull and I'm semi-busto, obv I'm not better at poker than they are.

My argument was that I didn't play with a strategy greedy enough to beat the rake by not abusing people's weaknesses enough. I was too conservative with bluffs that were bad in theory and good in practice, or with valuebets that were good in theory and bad in practice.

Also had bad plays both in theory and practice, but then I just deserve to lose by doing that kind of ****.
Oro is not one of the biggest winners at 200z. Idk where u get that from lol
11-02-2018 , 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by eenvis
Oro is not one of the biggest winners at 200z. Idk where u get that from lol
Who are the biggest winners at 200z?
11-02-2018 , 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by ZKesic
That’s actually a great idea! Let’s create a site that will have the full solution to poker!
After that we can just tag all the fish and regs, and show them how to play the perfect GTO. I’m sure that’ll be just great for the game!
You do realize those type of player's won't even look for these solutions and the few who do won't know how and when to implement the strats properly for the first couple of years at least?
11-02-2018 , 05:47 PM
How is it possible to play a style that beats regs and the rake (or close to it) and gets owned by whales/fish? Surely if you are playing such "good" baseline poker you're still going to be doing well against the whales/fish just not to the extent someone exploiting them would be?

I also don't understand what it is you are trying to accomplish with your play style, you want to lose less against better players when you move up but you'll never be able to move up as you're leaving tonnes of money on the table against worse players? When do you make the changes to start taking their money?
11-02-2018 , 05:52 PM
Why do you even care about that stuff, focus on ur own bs.
Anyone decent who's seen anything from oro's game knows he'd be lucky to be BE
11-02-2018 , 06:00 PM
The main problem of people who laugh at this is that they think that having better players will reduce there piece of the "pie". They are absolutely correct that for the *short-term* this will happen. However, they are ignoring the fact that the "pie" can and will grow exponentially, especially if poker is "legalized" once again. Like I said earlier, they aren't thinking of the long-term where a massive influx of bad recs that will basically never try to improve their game would be the ultimate result causing every "thinking" player to massively increase their profits versus the vastly increased numbers of them.

Last edited by WorldzMine; 11-02-2018 at 06:19 PM.
11-02-2018 , 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by MMSS
How is it possible to play a style that beats regs and the rake (or close to it) and gets owned by whales/fish? Surely if you are playing such "good" baseline poker you're still going to be doing well against the whales/fish just not to the extent someone exploiting them would be?

I also don't understand what it is you are trying to accomplish with your play style, you want to lose less against better players when you move up but you'll never be able to move up as you're leaving tonnes of money on the table against worse players? When do you make the changes to start taking their money?
I didn't say I beat top regs, I said I would lose less vs them. And ofc most of my money come from fish, but mostly vs those nit weaktight fish that fold happy and underbluff. Vs whales I still have an edge obviously, but wouldn't be surprised if it would be higher than mine vs a 14 vpip fish.

Also I was the king of cbetting and x and folding the best hand vs aggro whales that overbluff, so I was inducing them to play a good strat vs me, which is abysmal. I had no idea on how to exploit them until now.
11-02-2018 , 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by eenvis
Why do you even care about that stuff, focus on ur own bs.
Anyone decent who's seen anything from oro's game knows he'd be lucky to be BE
I don't agree with his plays, but he posted some very sick graphs in here, for you it might be easy to beat him, but he probably godmodes fish/whales/weaktight regs like nobody else.
11-02-2018 , 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Rapidesh123
I didn't say I beat top regs, I said I would lose less vs them. And ofc most of my money come from fish, but mostly vs those nit weaktight fish that fold happy and underbluff. Vs whales I still have an edge obviously, but wouldn't be surprised if it would be higher than mine vs a 14 vpip fish.

Also I was the king of cbetting and x and folding the best hand vs aggro whales that overbluff, so I was inducing them to play a good strat vs me, which is abysmal. I had no idea on how to exploit them until now.
I wasn't having a go, I'm just generally intrigued. I never said top regs, just good regs. (edit - I actually just said regs)

So the plan is to alter your gameplan going forward against weaker players? I generally think I like the way you go about it, the aim should be to play good poker (and you 100% play better than me) but surely as you are looking at developing your good play you are also thinking of how different reactions to what you do alter how you go about things?

Maybe I'm just on such a lower level that those adjustments are much more obvious and easy, whilst being less "correct".
11-02-2018 , 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by WorldzMine
Yeah, they falsely believe that a greater number of better regs will equal lower profits for themselves. This is extreme short-term thinking. An increase in profitable regs will be quickly followed by a huge influx of new players who will be fish as they try to replicate their friends and relatives new-found huge success. It will grow the game, slowly at first but with exponentially increasing numbers. It will even begin to eventually show government that yes poker IS a game of skill and places like the US will begin to officially allow online poker again. It will become like pre-Black Friday again and *everyone* will hugely profit from it. Giving away solid strat does NOT kill the games it eventually makes all the games massively more profitable for good theoretical players. The higher the number of those the better for everyone long-term because of the huge eventual influx on new rec's to the game.
This is the most "hilarious if trolling, ******ed if serious" thing I've read on these forums since a while.
11-02-2018 , 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Rapidesh123
Also I was the king of cbetting and x and folding the best hand vs aggro whales that overbluff, so I was inducing them to play a good strat vs me, which is abysmal. I had no idea on how to exploit them until now.
Why? Vs whales vbet them to death extremely thin if they are passive, and if they are the aggro type x to them and let them do their bluffing while you call down very thin. EZ game.
11-02-2018 , 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by tiltshove1
This is the most "hilarious if trolling, ******ed if serious" thing I've read on these forums since a while.
Then you're one of the people incapable of thinking beyond the short-term. That's okay, not every one is capable of thinking abstractly in a logical way.

Also, point out where anything I said is "wrong".
11-02-2018 , 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Rapidesh123
I don't agree with his plays, but he posted some very sick graphs in here, for you it might be easy to beat him, but he probably godmodes fish/whales/weaktight regs like nobody else.
Anyone can have crazy 200k stretches even more so players like oro who's std deviations gonna be much higher than avg.
11-02-2018 , 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by eenvis
Anyone can have crazy 200k stretches even more so players like oro who's std deviations gonna be much higher than avg.
You'ee underestimating oro in the same way I did with sowiet wings by saying he was terrible nit while he was destroying 200z.

Nits often view aggro as bad and aggros often view nits as bad.
11-02-2018 , 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Rapidesh123
You'ee underestimating oro in the same way I did with sowiet wings by saying he was terrible nit while he was destroying 200z.

Nits often view aggro as bad and aggros often view nits as bad.
time spent on 2+2 couldn't be used to become 200z end boss instead?
11-02-2018 , 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by WorldzMine
Yeah, they falsely believe that a greater number of better regs will equal lower profits for themselves. This is extreme short-term thinking. An increase in profitable regs will be quickly followed by a huge influx of new players who will be fish as they try to replicate their friends and relatives new-found huge success. It will grow the game, slowly at first but with exponentially increasing numbers. It will even begin to eventually show government that yes poker IS a game of skill and places like the US will begin to officially allow online poker again. It will become like pre-Black Friday again and *everyone* will hugely profit from it. Giving away solid strat does NOT kill the games it eventually makes all the games massively more profitable for good theoretical players. The higher the number of those the better for everyone long-term because of the huge eventual influx on new rec's to the game.

Sounds like you been smoking some of Rapids magic mushrooms. You don't seem to realize that under your logic the 2018 games should the juiciest in history. No wonder you have been stuck on 5nl for 6 years. The best thing about this thread is how intelligent it makes you feel every time you read it.
11-02-2018 , 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by mirage01
Sounds like you been smoking some of Rapids magic mushrooms. You don't seem to realize that under your logic the 2018 games should the juiciest in history. No wonder you have been stuck on 5nl for 6 years. The best thing about this thread is how intelligent it makes you feel every time you read it.
how did u just get baited
11-02-2018 , 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by mirage01
Sounds like you been smoking some of Rapids magic mushrooms. You don't seem to realize that under your logic the 2018 games should the juiciest in history. No wonder you have been stuck on 5nl for 6 years. The best thing about this thread is how intelligent it makes you feel every time you read it.
Bold is not true. The ecosystem is nothing like pre-BF. It could be with a mass influx of new players again though via "legalization" of online poker again. You get that by more and more players being drawn to it because they realize the games are crushable via skill.

I play 25 and 50 NL. I already told you the 5NL thing was only temporary because I had withdrawn most on my roll and had to start over.

Also, I would never put the word intelligence and mirage in the same sentence.
11-02-2018 , 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by and lets see
how did u just get baited
Oh, it's that scammer Tastyyy.
11-02-2018 , 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Rapidesh123
Orojanivu is one of the biggest winners at 200z and he wouldn't stand a chance at 500z, possibly would lose at a 2 digit bb/100 from what I know about his game(if he played exactly like he plays at 200z)

Sowiet wings would never have a higher $/h at 500z than 200z.

Seta-beni probably would underperform vs tougher oposition but I think he can hold his own

Regs like alltoonew and clanty are obviously better than I am in every aspect of the game

All regs I posted are successfull and I'm semi-busto, obv I'm not better at poker than they are.

My argument was that I didn't play with a strategy greedy enough to beat the rake by not abusing people's weaknesses enough. I was too conservative with bluffs that were bad in theory and good in practice, or with valuebets that were good in theory and bad in practice.

Also had bad plays both in theory and practice, but then I just deserve to lose by doing that kind of ****.
This is why people hate on you. Every time you post something, there's this undertone of superiority. As if you know which reg is good enough to make it anywhere based on the 15 hands you've played with them.

The idea that you have been break-even since you started because your strategy wasn't greedy enough or it was meant to ''lose less'' vs good regs and therefore you can not beat fish is absolutely insane.

Cause how hard can it be to exploit people who don't know the rules of poker or cant fold any pair?

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Originally Posted by tiltshove1
This is the most "hilarious if trolling, ******ed if serious" thing I've read on these forums since a while.
He's not trolling. Dude is brain damaged.
11-02-2018 , 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by WorldzMine
??? I'm absolutely serious. You don't want a site that you could just go to and see what PIO recommends in most scenario's? You'd rather do it yourself when it's already been done and all the answers are already out there? WTF is wrong with you people. You all act like this is some super-secret black ops project that only some privileged few should access to. LMAO
Poker is a zero sum game. In order for one person to win, another has to lose. Why would someone go to huge effort only to give it away to their competition for free?
11-02-2018 , 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by wj294
Poker is a zero sum game. In order for one person to win, another has to lose. Why would someone go to huge effort only to give it away to their competition for free?
Yeah there's only one "pie" available at any point in time. But the size of that pie (zero sum game) can and does change as a function of time. My point is more winners bring in more recs, more new players. In other words the pie gets larger as a result. There's more money available to be had because the zero sum pie has now grown and will continue to grow at an exponential rate.

      
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