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05-15-2017 , 08:38 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SalmoTrutta
5h2h was pretty amazing
Had a bit of Dwan vs Ivey - just that my opponent was fish on winners tilt.
And whos to blame him 1kbb+ stack.

==============================================

Short update.

Month is going very well. Volume is suffering. For one part because of scoops
(estimate to be about 700ish down on multiple sites on MTTs).
Luckily cash makes more than up for it.
Played some Ring games along with the MTTs on lesser known sites.
Figured I cant zoom properly with MTTs on the side.
Chased a fish even upt o 400NL (feels so huge when one is not even properly used to 200nl "numbers").
Did not manage to stack him but It was worth a shot.

Overall running well, playing well too but stil bit tilted because of my disasterous MTT run.
As for cash I dont think I did tilt at all. Hard to do so when in godmode.




A little bit of everything.




23rd im off to vacation for at least 2 weeks. Should try and put in some extra
vol now I can.

How is your month going so far?
Thanks for reading and GLGL!
05-16-2017 , 02:35 PM
Blue line surpasses redline ...

God mode activated,

Wpwp.


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05-20-2017 , 11:20 PM
One of the better hands I played this month.


    Poker Stars, $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

    SB: $233.36 (116.7 bb)
    BB: $119.58 (59.8 bb)
    UTG: $200 (100 bb)
    MP: $345.46 (172.7 bb)
    CO: $422.41 (211.2 bb)
    Hero (BTN): $490.31 (245.2 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BTN with K A
    UTG folds, MP calls $2, CO raises to $6, Hero raises to $23, 3 folds, CO calls $17

    Flop: ($51) J 3 T (2 players)
    CO checks, Hero checks

    Turn: ($51) Q (2 players)
    CO bets $35.85, Hero calls $35.85

    River: ($122.70) J (2 players)
    CO bets $88.76, Hero raises to $431.46 and is all-in, CO calls $274.80 and is all-in

    Spoiler:
    Results: $849.82 pot ($2.75 rake)
    Final Board: J 3 T Q J
    CO showed A K and won $423.54 ($1.13 net)
    Hero showed K A and won $423.53 ($1.12 net)


    Looking to fold out AK exactly. Bit tricky but I dont expect anything but his
    occasional AK to lead the turn. I may have QQ here, and some QJo combos.
    Too bad he couldnt lay it down.
    05-21-2017 , 09:22 AM
    When you are unknown to a fellow regular.


      ****, $2/$4 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      SB: $133.21 (33.3 bb)
      Hero (BB): $439 (109.8 bb)
      MP: $431.57 (107.9 bb)
      CO: $481.25 (120.3 bb)
      BTN: $388 (97 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BB with 6 A
      MP raises to $12, 3 folds, Hero calls $8

      Flop: ($26) 2 2 K (2 players)
      Hero checks, MP bets $13, Hero calls $13

      Turn: ($52) K (2 players)
      Hero checks, MP checks

      River: ($52) 3 (2 players)
      Hero checks, MP bets $39, Hero raises to $117, MP folds

      Spoiler:
      Results: $130 pot ($3 rake)
      Final Board: 2 2 K K 3
      Hero mucked 6 A and won $127 ($63 net)
      MP mucked and lost (-$64 net)
      05-22-2017 , 08:55 AM
      Hello 2p2,

      Monthly review:

      This is going to be my last update before the well deserved vacation.
      I feel like I could really use some rest. My right ellbow starting to
      hurt a couple of days now. I think thats mainly due to long MTT sessions.

      Usually I never grind longer than an hour at a time. (or I must be stuck
      real bad ). Now sessions last up to 12 hours with the short pee break -
      you know the drill. My tournament game has improved a lot working closely
      with some other balkan crushers. My cashgame skills come in handy too, but
      I dont seem to appreaciate tournement life enough.


      Not sure If/how much Ill play while in Bosnia/Serbia. Probably little to nothing.
      Dont feel like explaining stars why I go from eu to com client
      all over again. Cant go back to grinding serious sessions from my laptop
      either. Small chance Ill enter some event within the Danube Masters (25th-30)
      I was eager to participate but now got my doubts when a friend warned me about
      bad organisation.

      As for the cashgames - for a part its going to be bit of winners tilt but:
      I feel like im performing at my very peak atm. You all know the times
      when something happens within your game ands suddenly you understand
      the game better. Its hard to explain exactly but you just somehow start
      looking at the game from another, more in-depth perspective.

      Thats whats been happening to me lately (a lot). Partly due to playing
      with better opposition. Its safe to say that I have found my comfort zone
      within the 200z and that I dont mind shooting some 400 on minor sites.
      The way I perceive the game now comes close to madness.
      One should be very careful writing about it here .


      Result summary:


      In MTTs I came a couple of times very close to decent cashes but just couldnt
      push it all the way.
      Playing on stars and winamax alongside these i cashed about 2k net profit.



      (lost 1k less on stars for I had received a 1050$ scoop ticket for free but
      sharkscope doesnt distinguish how one enrolled)

      As for cash here is the breakdown:







      Havent won much $ but won back some EV I was owing (#feelsgood).
      There is 500e on top from a signup bonus and some untracked RB included.
      The micro sessions were played for some hud adjustments purposes.

      Should be close to an 8k month.
      So happy all the work finally starts to pay off signifficantly. And I feel like
      im just getting started now (crazy right!)
      Two years ago I was having fantasies of beating 100z.
      Now playing at 200 I feel like I have not even come close to my full potential.
      But lets not get ahead of ourselves.. time will show.

      One fun thing ive noticed: Ive been known for some time for crazy HHs,
      but unlike the times when I grinded 25z-50z one does not get burned/
      attacked that easily when playing more respectable stakes, regardless
      of how unconvetional some parts of your game may appear.
      Back in the time id get laughed on, now feedback is mostly positive.
      Its like playing 200+ means a lot for ones authority.


      Well thats it boys n girls. Until the next update. Wish u all heaps of rungood.

      Adios amigos
      05-22-2017 , 10:47 AM
      Nice work boss have a good vacation Plowing with Oro.


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      05-22-2017 , 02:53 PM
      could you please stop table camping ?
      05-22-2017 , 04:57 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by DOMINGO
      could you please stop table camping ?
      Explain me what that is pls?
      05-22-2017 , 05:42 PM
      Allright I googled it.

      I did indeed sit out once the fish busted, or remained seated while sitting
      out at a table when there were 2 positions free to my right - just to wait
      and see if a fish (very likely) will join. After all these seats arent that
      attarctive.

      I never thought about others but it is a bit of a douchy move when you think
      about it. Id not mind playing regs up to 200 all day long (only regs tables)
      if the rake wasnt at bombastic 6.5%.

      To me it was just a "business decision" and I had no idea its a bad etiquette.
      It was just a smart way of "table selection" imo. Im not used to ring-game
      environments having played zoom only for the past 4 years.

      I wont do such thing no more.
      Could u PM me your SN there?
      05-22-2017 , 06:09 PM
      raising river with A6ss and not decent d blockers imo is not good at all

      I guess your style is crazy aggro

      glgl
      05-22-2017 , 07:02 PM
      Hey max, ty

      Im not sure If I even have a style. I feel like I need to elaborate a bit what I was thinking
      at the time. Without any explanation I assume this looks horrible. It may be
      horrible with or without explanation but Ill try anyway.

      The situation

      We are unknown to the MP reg, but we assume he has seen just about
      of our game to not think of us as a fish. Our image is very clean.
      Now lets talk for a second about general tendencies and the technical
      aspect of the hand.

      Preflop:
      Pre should be a very standard defend.

      The Flop:
      K22 qualifies as one of the dryest flops we can get. It also is one of the flops
      that gives us the hardest of times when we have to find hands we want to
      be defending. A6s with overcard+backdoor should fall easily within the defending range.
      We may have more deuces here if we defend K2s, Q2s but it is a flop that normally favors the PFR.

      Few facts how these flops generally play:

      1. IP PFR cbets close to entire range and likely overbluffs
      2. OOP PFC ends up overfolding for its so hard to defend a proper amount.
      3. PFR knows PFC overfolds so his turncB drastically decreases once he gets called on such a static structure.
      4. PFR is barreling fewer turns as bluff (he already made his money OTF)
      5. With that in mind the flop may qualify as floatable to some degree.
      (with the intention to maybe bluff some rivers)


      The turn:

      1. Most regs wil sh*t on balance in such spot when they really hold the K.
      After all they are playing vs an unknown who is calling them with who
      knows what. In given scenario I expect close to zero checkbacks from
      top boats.

      2. They wil check back eventual AA, and underpairs some of which will
      valuebet the river.


      The river:

      1. Hero should not have much of a leading range here. After the turn our
      Kx combos are decimated and our mid pairs dont grant us easy value
      for PFR has overpairs to these that protect him. MP has plenty of giveups
      and vs these we have enough SDV.
      2. Facing a riverbet we may however have a checkraising range (some Kx, quads and 33
      - maybe even 2x boats are safe to xR with) Its OK to have some bluffs too.
      I however will be overbluffing the river (likely) because all the frequencies so
      twisted in this example that I think I can get away with it.

      For MP to make this call he will have to assume:
      Hero floated the flop, then did not bet the river (has SDV).
      Eventually hero turned his SDV into a bluff. He has no reason to assume
      or way to conclude that we went through this complex thought process to
      come suddenly come up with a riverbluff.


      So.. in the end is - this may be good, or bad. Name it what u want.
      One thing its not:
      Its not aggro just for the sake of aggro


      Spoiler:
      Cant sleep, have some serious flight anxiety ever since I had my first real turbulence.
      05-22-2017 , 08:19 PM
      i misread the hand, was driving when i commented.
      I think its actually ok and having a d blocker is probably not that important at all because i didnt realise the turn paired top card. We do have a decent amount of Kx in our range like K2s-K9s (3b K10s+), K7o+ perhaps, so should we have a better blocker such as a 10, Q, J that blocks hsi decent Kx hands. I do also feel most regs would bet turn with Kx here.

      Flop and turn is fine and standard imo.

      I guess if we are turning Ax into bluff here we are probably way overbluffing because we will turn all other hands into bluffs and have a much narrower value range of Kx exclusively
      05-22-2017 , 08:29 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by Oro-Ja-Njivu
      One of the better hands I played this month.


        Poker Stars, $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

        SB: $233.36 (116.7 bb)
        BB: $119.58 (59.8 bb)
        UTG: $200 (100 bb)
        MP: $345.46 (172.7 bb)
        CO: $422.41 (211.2 bb)
        Hero (BTN): $490.31 (245.2 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is BTN with K A
        UTG folds, MP calls $2, CO raises to $6, Hero raises to $23, 3 folds, CO calls $17

        Flop: ($51) J 3 T (2 players)
        CO checks, Hero checks

        Turn: ($51) Q (2 players)
        CO bets $35.85, Hero calls $35.85

        River: ($122.70) J (2 players)
        CO bets $88.76, Hero raises to $431.46 and is all-in, CO calls $274.80 and is all-in

        Spoiler:
        Results: $849.82 pot ($2.75 rake)
        Final Board: J 3 T Q J
        CO showed A K and won $423.54 ($1.13 net)
        Hero showed K A and won $423.53 ($1.12 net)


        Looking to fold out AK exactly. Bit tricky but I dont expect anything but his
        occasional AK to lead the turn. I may have QQ here, and some QJo combos.
        Too bad he couldnt lay it down.
        I've worked through this hand a little bit because it intrigued me. Villain's range here is going to consist of about 26 value combos + bluffs. In this case, calling is definitely +EV (accounting for the split with AK), even if villain isn't bluffing (ill leave you to work that one out).

        Re-raising on the other hand is more complicated, since we aren't sure what villain is willing to call a 200bb reraise with. Your assumption of him folding AK will also mean he folds hands like 89s, AJs,KJs, provided he even has those hands in his range at this point. Yes, you do have TT, JJ, QQ and QJ in your range. The problem is villain will have these combos as well (maybe not QJo). Therefore you are getting called by all the above combos. Even if he folds AK, this is a -ev play. Unless villain has a tendency to hero call with some of the previous value combos, this is a bad play imo. Let me know your thoughts.

        Edit:Its also incredibly unlikely villain plays AJs and KJs this way, so this reduces the number of hands that will hero call you and lose.
        05-22-2017 , 08:37 PM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by Maverick93
        I've worked through this hand a little bit because it intrigued me. Villain's range here is going to consist of about 26 value combos + bluffs. In this case, calling is definitely +EV (accounting for the split with AK), even if villain isn't bluffing (ill leave you to work that one out).

        Re-raising on the other hand is more complicated, since we aren't sure what villain is willing to call a 200bb reraise with. Your assumption of him folding AK will also mean he folds hands like 89s, AJs,KJs, provided he even has those hands in his range at this point. Yes, you do have TT, JJ, QQ and QJ in your range. The problem is villain will have these combos as well (maybe not QJo). Therefore you are getting called by all the above combos. Even if he folds AK, this is a -ev play. Unless villain has a tendency to hero call with some of the previous value combos, this is a bad play imo. Let me know your thoughts.
        With the pot being 50$ on the turn and 850$ on the river I frimly believe
        no sane reg wil lead their sets, 2pairs etc (OTT) risking getting raised by all 16 of
        our AK combos with so much money behind. Its just too optimistic to expect
        to get 2 streets from less whilst not getting raised by better too often. Thats
        why I think we are never beat. Although we wont get called by worse
        we can get him off occasional chop. Thats why I hold this hand very dear to me.
        Its not so easy to pull this off ingame - reversely
        freerolling yourself if you are not 100% certain of what you are doing.

        Thats what makes it so "weird". Its not a valuejam - but in a way it is.
        05-22-2017 , 08:51 PM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by Oro-Ja-Njivu
        With the pot being 50$ on the turn and 850$ on the river I frimly believe
        no sane reg wil lead their sets, 2pairs etc (OTT) risking getting raised by all 16 of
        our AK combos with so much money behind. Its just too optimistic to expect
        to get 2 streets from less whilst not getting raised by better too often. Thats
        why I think we are never beat. Although we wont get called by worse
        we can get him off occasional chop. Thats why I hold this hand very dear to me.
        Its not so easy to pull this off ingame - reversely
        freerolling yourself if you are not 100% certain of what you are doing.

        Thats what makes it so "weird". Its not a valuejam - but in a way it is.
        I am absolutely positive that most regs will be inclined lead their 2 pairs/sets/straights ott given that you have more than enough medium strength hands in your range on this board to call a turn bet. From what I understand you're convinced that he never plays TT,JJ,QJs or QQ this way, and that is where we disagree.
        05-22-2017 , 08:56 PM
        Yes!
        I appreciate the discussion though. I for sure will not have a leading range OTT
        and prolly no checkraising range either.
        05-22-2017 , 09:29 PM
        Forgot to mention another reason why I dislike the turn lead in villains shoes.
        We will have close to no bluffing range making it even much harder to get 2 streets.
        05-22-2017 , 09:44 PM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by Oro-Ja-Njivu
        Forgot to mention another reason why I dislike the turn lead in villains shoes.
        We will have close to no bluffing range making it even much harder to get 2 streets.
        I can agree with this, but with that reasoning shoving 200bb over villain's river bet would be extremely optimistic. The fact that villain has lead 2 streets where he extremely value heavy (boats+straights) makes a shove even more suicidal imo.
        05-22-2017 , 11:30 PM
        Optimist by nature
        -Committed suicide too many times. Had to know whats on the other side

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        Next hand was way too pessimistic though. Again had my reasons.

          Poker Stars, $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
          Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

          SB: $200 (100 bb)
          Hero (BB): $200 (100 bb)
          UTG: $297.50 (148.8 bb)
          MP: $769.96 (385 bb)
          CO: $240.97 (120.5 bb)
          BTN: $600.38 (300.2 bb)

          Preflop: Hero is BB with 3 A
          4 folds, SB completes, Hero raises to $6, SB calls $4

          Flop: ($12) 4 9 A (2 players)
          SB checks, Hero checks

          Turn: ($12) 9 (2 players)
          SB bets $8.55, Hero folds

          Spoiler:
          Results: $12 pot ($0.60 rake)
          Final Board: 4 9 A 9
          SB mucked and won $11.40 ($5.40 net)
          Hero mucked 3 A and lost (-$6 net)


          ======================================

          And im officially off to vacation!
          05-23-2017 , 12:33 AM
          Quote:
          Originally Posted by Oro-Ja-Njivu
          Optimist by nature
          -Committed suicide too many times. Had to know whats on the other side

          ===============================================

          Next hand was way too pessimistic though. Again had my reasons.

            Poker Stars, $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
            Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

            SB: $200 (100 bb)
            Hero (BB): $200 (100 bb)
            UTG: $297.50 (148.8 bb)
            MP: $769.96 (385 bb)
            CO: $240.97 (120.5 bb)
            BTN: $600.38 (300.2 bb)

            Preflop: Hero is BB with 3 A
            4 folds, SB completes, Hero raises to $6, SB calls $4

            Flop: ($12) 4 9 A (2 players)
            SB checks, Hero checks

            Turn: ($12) 9 (2 players)
            SB bets $8.55, Hero folds

            Spoiler:
            Results: $12 pot ($0.60 rake)
            Final Board: 4 9 A 9
            SB mucked and won $11.40 ($5.40 net)
            Hero mucked 3 A and lost (-$6 net)


            ======================================

            And im officially off to vacation!
            Fairly disciplined fold to say the least have fun on vacation!
            05-23-2017 , 07:34 AM
            I'm all for exploitative poker but I have trouble coming up with assumptions that would somehow salvage the AK hand from being very expensive indeed. If your opponent is on the theory/solveresque side and plays and hand reads accordingly you're doing some quite serious self wreckage here.
            05-23-2017 , 07:42 AM
            Subbed and gl man. Dat redline is outta control
            05-24-2017 , 05:14 AM
            Gl. One of the few regs I hate seeing at the tables

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            05-24-2017 , 03:32 PM
            Quote:
            Originally Posted by SalmoTrutta
            I'm all for exploitative poker but I have trouble coming up with assumptions that would somehow salvage the AK hand from being very expensive indeed. If your opponent is on the theory/solveresque side and plays and hand reads accordingly you're doing some quite serious self wreckage here.
            Hey
            I dont really have much to add in regard to the hand.
            Most of my decisions are situational. Once I come back Ill put the hand into
            pio with some proper ranges and see if it comes up with a leading range
            OTT for villain and what that range is going to look like.
            If someone else feels like checking it id appreciate it.
            In my experience and what I think to remember your avg regs doesnt
            lead the turn with their made hands that much but that may end up to
            be a very expensive assumption indeed.


            Quote:
            Originally Posted by BenaBadBeat
            Subbed and gl man. Dat redline is outta control
            Its an honor to have you on board!




            Quote:
            Originally Posted by garyk5846
            Gl. One of the few regs I hate seeing at the tables

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            Now, thats music in my ears
            Welcome!

            ===============================================

            Arrived at my destination just today. Yesterdays flight was awful.
            Due to poor weather conditions we had to land in Zagreb/Croatia.
            Circling for an hour over and within a storm area was no fun at all.
            Ive had some flying anxiety before, and been nervous for about 10 days
            prior to the flight. Its almost as I had called it upon myself
            Had to fight tears of relief once we landed (managed even!) but seemingly
            came out stronger. I know that at no point in time we were in real danger,
            its just the discomfort I need to learn coping with. Its good in a way
            I lived to experience this too, Id just rather experience it without
            my wife and daughter - but thats something one can not choose.

            Staying a couple of days at my inlaws place then going to Serbia to visit
            some fellow grinders and hopefully party hard.
            06-10-2017 , 01:02 PM
            Hello 2p2,

            Been back for a couple of days now. Had not had the time to update.
            Vacation was great. Only the flight was no fun at all (again!).
            We needed two attempts to land. (first time barely touched ground we had
            to take off again due to wind sheers - NOT FUN!!)
            Been on a 3/3 streak of bad flights now but you did not come here to read about that.

            For the few last days I've been trying to get back into grind mode.
            Its so easy to become lazy. I feel like this is my time to make some big dollar
            but I just cant set my mind to grinding nearly as much as I should be.
            Wont force matters - luckily I got some nice cushion now - otherwise
            I may get a burnout or even start tilting.

            Speaking of tilt - one of what seemd to be a decent reg gave me a nice
            welcome back gift. Stomach did turn for a brief moment but whatever.

              Poker Stars, $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
              Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

              SB: $200 (100 bb)
              Hero (BB): $200 (100 bb)
              UTG: $435.35 (217.7 bb)
              MP: $151.55 (75.8 bb)
              CO: $200 (100 bb)
              BTN: $225.82 (112.9 bb)

              Preflop: Hero is BB with 6 2
              4 folds, SB raises to $6, Hero calls $4

              Flop: ($12) 2 5 7 (2 players)
              SB bets $11.40, Hero calls $11.40

              Turn: ($34.80) 2 (2 players)
              SB bets $33.06, Hero calls $33.06

              River: ($100.92) 4 (2 players)
              SB checks, Hero bets $67.74, SB raises to $149.54 and is all-in, Hero calls $81.80 and is all-in

              Spoiler:
              Results: $400 pot ($2.75 rake)
              Final Board: 2 5 7 2 4
              SB showed A J and lost (-$200 net)
              Hero showed 6 2 and won $397.25 ($197.25 net)


              Kinda funny how much work we use to put into poker and what tilt does to us. This was awful on so many levels but most of us have these blackout moments. That explains some weak old school regs stil being around - they just dont tilt (as much).

              Will play some cash tonight (saturday) and mainly MTTs tomorrow.
              Prolly going to play tourneys on sundays only in future.

              Saying good bye with a pic. This was one of the best days of my life.
              Thanks to SSG who hired a raft to take us far up the Danube.
              Booze, bbq, live music and no chicks - Thats how 30+ balkan ballers party.
              Im the guy with the hat sitting in the background.



              Thanks for stopping bye,
              Salute

                    
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