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11-13-2023 , 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Rahm93
Yeah, only his graphs his green line dont brrr
11-13-2023 , 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by swerbs22
How can you win long term with -20bb/100 redline? Seems like pretty much any downswing is going to be crazy volatile



Idk about omaha but the redline seems like it could be concerning. That's a lot of BBs not staying in your stacks.

Oh I'm not saying a -20/bb redline is sustainable over a larger sample. But the general tendency (not saying that's what you are doing) to default to hurr durr your redline sucks every time someone post a graph of 20k hands with a bleeding redline is getting old.
11-13-2023 , 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by lol47
Oh I'm not saying a -20/bb redline is sustainable over a larger sample. But the general tendency (not saying that's what you are doing) to default to hurr durr your redline sucks every time someone post a graph of 20k hands with a bleeding redline is getting old.



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Idk about omaha but the redline seems like it could be concerning. That's a lot of BBs not staying in your stacks.
In bold I thought I was clear about not knowing omaha, and if redline affecting wr and variance in omaha is enough to crush winning chances.

Did I put something offensive in here that is "hurr durr your redline sucks"?

Last edited by swerbs22; 11-13-2023 at 12:00 PM.
11-13-2023 , 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by swerbs22




In bold I thought I was clear about not knowing omaha, and if redline affecting wr and variance in omaha is enough to crush winning chances.

Did I put something offensive in here that is "hurr durr your redline sucks"?
Again, my post was not directed at you it was more of a general comment. You certainly have done nothing to offend me

I have yet to see someone be a winner with a -20bb/100 redline over a large sample of hands, so I def think it's something to look out for. That said, I myself have had 10k+ hands runs where i post a -20bb/100 redline, it happens.
11-13-2023 , 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by lol47
Again, my post was not directed at you it was more of a general comment. You certainly have done nothing to offend me

I have yet to see someone be a winner with a -20bb/100 redline over a large sample of hands, so I def think it's something to look out for. That said, I myself have had 10k+ hands runs where i post a -20bb/100 redline, it happens.
I did do some quick searching and found that quite a bit of winning omaha players in fact have redlines that were -10bb/100 or worse but still brrr-ing green line. Interesting stuff!
11-13-2023 , 01:00 PM
he has a nice blue line though
11-13-2023 , 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by lol47
Oh I'm not saying a -20/bb redline is sustainable over a larger sample. But the general tendency (not saying that's what you are doing) to default to hurr durr your redline sucks every time someone post a graph of 20k hands with a bleeding redline is getting old.
yet this 20k hands is the largest graph he has shown in this thread. the other graphs are like 2-5k hands of him winning lmao, so what else are ppl going to judge by then? plus the fact that he's gone from stake to stake and getting dropped deep in MU bc the backer has lost all hope should tell you all you need to know. no one in the other B&G PLO threads ever brings up red line so no idea what you're talking about. how do you get offended by other ppl comments thats not even your graph while running a 150 BI's over EV lol47? relax and enjoy the sun run.
11-13-2023 , 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Blubbb
he has a nice blue line though
lol
11-13-2023 , 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Crim7007
yet this 20k hands is the largest graph he has shown in this thread. the other graphs are like 2-5k hands of him winning lmao, so what else are ppl going to judge by then? plus the fact that he's gone from stake to stake and getting dropped deep in MU bc the backer has lost all hope should tell you all you need to know. no one in the other B&G PLO threads ever brings up red line so no idea what you're talking about. how do you get offended by other ppl comments thats not even your graph while running a 150 BI's over EV lol47? relax and enjoy the sun run.
Im not defending OP. I haven't followed this thread, so don't really know what's going on. And I wasn't taking a stab at swerbs22. Also I'm not offended, I don't care. I'm just saying that I would look at other things before defaulting to redline = bad – although I admit that -20bb/100 is definitely not sustainable. It's a pretty well known fact that people love to go on and on about redline. That's where my comment was directed. Didn't know you held a grudge against me, but it's good to get the frustrations out and vent a bit. Good for you. I am enjoying the sun run, thank you very much! <3 Am I supposed to be embarrassed or what are you hinting at? Am I not allowed to participate in discussions in other threads because I run good? lol

Also, if you want to use it against me you can do a bit better. It's 210 BI's above EV since the start off my challenge. xo

Last edited by lol47; 11-13-2023 at 03:20 PM.
11-13-2023 , 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by lol47
Im not defending OP. I haven't followed this thread, so don't really know what's going on. And I wasn't taking a stab at swerbs22. Also I'm not offended, I don't care. I'm just saying that I would look at other things before defaulting to redline = bad – although I admit that -20bb/100 is definitely not sustainable. It's a pretty well known fact that people love to go on and on about redline. That's where my comment was directed. Didn't know you held a grudge against me, but it's good to get the frustrations out and vent a bit. Good for you. I am enjoying the sun run, thank you very much! <3 Am I supposed to be embarrassed or what are you hinting at? Am I not allowed to participate in discussions in other threads because I run good? lol

Also, if you want to use it against me you can do a bit better. It's 210 BI's above EV since the start off my challenge. xo
No, it seemed as though you were taking a stab at me for my comment and that's unacceptable. No one comments about red line in the other PLO threads either and I was simply giving an opinion on the largest sample size he has shown in this thread.

Youre allowed to participate in this public forum, Ill even allow it. But I don't need the smart ass hurr durr comments or but it's good to get the frustrations out and vent comments either. I don't hold grudges against **** stains so no worries there, sugartits.
11-13-2023 , 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by lol47

Also, if you want to use it against me you can do a bit better. It's 210 BI's above EV since the start off my challenge. xo
Phenomenal, imagine sun running and being such a **** boy lmao.
11-13-2023 , 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Crim7007
No, it seemed as though you were taking a stab at me for my comment and that's unacceptable. No one comments about red line in the other PLO threads either and I was simply giving an opinion on the largest sample size he has shown in this thread.

Youre allowed to participate in this public forum, Ill even allow it. But I don't need the smart ass hurr durr comments or but it's good to get the frustrations out and vent comments either. I don't hold grudges against **** stains so no worries there, sugartits.
On the contrary I actually agree with what you said about KT. I wasn't taking a stab at you either buddy. I don't think I need to comment on your last paragraph; just a bunch of contradictions and childish insults.
11-13-2023 , 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by lol47
On the contrary I actually agree with what you said about KT. I wasn't taking a stab at you either buddy. I don't think I need to comment on your last paragraph; just a bunch of contradictions and childish insults.
Kind of like me venting my frustrations and it's actually 210 BI's xo childish insults? Lmao, gfy you ****.
11-13-2023 , 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Crim7007
Kind of like me venting my frustrations and it's actually 210 BI's xo childish insults? Lmao, gfy you ****.
How the fk does that constitute insults? Haha. I'm done derailing this thread mate. Take care
11-13-2023 , 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by lol47
How the fk does that constitute insults? Haha. I'm done derailing this thread mate. Take care
You being a smartass **** is insulting in itself, mate. You're right, let's not derail this thread any longer. Doesn't matter if it's red line or green line, it's all going to the gutter anyways. Ttyl ****boy, don't be such a smartass next time if you can't take it.
11-13-2023 , 06:58 PM
Wtf is going on? Crim7007 has dumped to lol47 on party and is salty haha.

Had a big conclusion drawn from meeting with coach. Extremely easy to implement, will have a massive effect if we are correct with the assumption. Will post when I get home today.

Spoiler - it is somewhat in line with my feeling of being cheated.
11-13-2023 , 10:28 PM
So what's the plan?

No more HU and short handed play.

HU results lifetime -



3 handed results lifetime -



4 handed results lifetime -



6+ handed results lifetime -



Now for more recent results

4+ handed results -



2-3 handed results -



The difference in these results is honestly staggering. IMO likely a result of having leaks in BVB play, maybe leaks in looser positions preflop who knows. For now we are going to stick to 4+ handed and go for it. Additionally, somebody getting colluded is going to get way more annihilated 3 handed than at 6max. And considering I've had these collusion concerns a lot in my career, this honestly could explain it a bit. And definitely used to suck way more than I understood.

But for now, going to continue grinding 4-6h and annihilate ppl.
11-14-2023 , 04:14 AM
Someone get crim a tampon.

Man those are some ugly hu/sh graphs. Should work on hu/3handed imo. Lotta value to be had.
11-14-2023 , 04:50 AM
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Originally Posted by KnoxKnoxJoke
So what's the plan?

No more HU and short handed play.

HU results lifetime -



3 handed results lifetime -



4 handed results lifetime -



6+ handed results lifetime -



Now for more recent results

4+ handed results -



2-3 handed results -



The difference in these results is honestly staggering. IMO likely a result of having leaks in BVB play, maybe leaks in looser positions preflop who knows. For now we are going to stick to 4+ handed and go for it. Additionally, somebody getting colluded is going to get way more annihilated 3 handed than at 6max. And considering I've had these collusion concerns a lot in my career, this honestly could explain it a bit. And definitely used to suck way more than I understood.

But for now, going to continue grinding 4-6h and annihilate ppl.
Getting crushed the most when playing heads up confirms that you are not getting colluded against to any real extent and just that you have big leaks when short handed. For example my HU sample produces my highest win rate, followed by 3 handed play, 4 handed and so on. And i play on public app clubs where I'm sure you'd agree the risk for being cheated is the absolute highest.
I am not sure how you can possibly see that you are losing the most in HU and conclude that you are still being cheated.

I would guess with like 90%+ certainty that you are just not aggressive enough in all spots and this is exposed more and more the less players there are at the table, just my 2c.
11-14-2023 , 06:10 AM
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Originally Posted by LeeFaeBlue
Getting crushed the most when playing heads up confirms that you are not getting colluded against to any real extent and just that you have big leaks when short handed. For example my HU sample produces my highest win rate, followed by 3 handed play, 4 handed and so on. And i play on public app clubs where I'm sure you'd agree the risk for being cheated is the absolute highest.
I am not sure how you can possibly see that you are losing the most in HU and conclude that you are still being cheated.

I would guess with like 90%+ certainty that you are just not aggressive enough in all spots and this is exposed more and more the less players there are at the table, just my 2c.
Yeah we are going to be studying stuff to get me better at short handed and HU while I print at 6m in the meantime. Not knowing HU ranges at all and just winging it is probably significant. For 3m it’s surprising, because BB BTN srp and 3bet pot are my strongest nodes. Admittedly SB BB could use work.
11-14-2023 , 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by LeeFaeBlue
Getting crushed the most when playing heads up confirms that you are not getting colluded against to any real extent and just that you have big leaks when short handed
lol
11-14-2023 , 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by LeeFaeBlue
Getting crushed the most when playing heads up confirms that you are not getting colluded against to any real extent and just that you have big leaks when short handed. For example my HU sample produces my highest win rate, followed by 3 handed play, 4 handed and so on. And i play on public app clubs where I'm sure you'd agree the risk for being cheated is the absolute highest.
I am not sure how you can possibly see that you are losing the most in HU and conclude that you are still being cheated.

I would guess with like 90%+ certainty that you are just not aggressive enough in all spots and this is exposed more and more the less players there are at the table, just my 2c.


This makes sense as most pots are going to be HU, then 3 way, etc
11-14-2023 , 08:51 PM
Had some good looking games today but couldn't reload bc moving money around is hard and lost the 2.5bi I could deposit ;-;
11-17-2023 , 10:35 PM
Realized that people generally over-estimate me and my abilities. I believe this is because I present myself as a reasonably smart and competent individual.

I think that this has caused me to value my intelligence and being a smart person in the past.

Was helping gf with some English assignments, and stumbled on some essay by Gladwell related to the ten-thousand hour idea, and his book “outliers”. Basically natural talent and dedication are required to reach an elite level in cognitively challenging activities.

In the past in chess and mtg I’ve been able to easily reach a solid, but not impressive level of skill. Never reached that level in chess, was at the lower level of impressive in magic.

However I was able to catch the attention of coaches in chess, and teammates in magic. I think because of how I presented myself, people overestimated my abilities.

In poker it’s been tougher, and I wouldn’t be surprised if previous backers overestimated my abilities - thinking about how poorly I used to play relative to the limit. I kind of just assumed because I was smart; and other people thought I was ok at the game, that would be enough to carry me.

Part of ensuring my long term success in this career of poker is reframing what I value in myself. Intelligence isn’t enough to be proud of, and can lead to me to avoid difficult situations I believe.

I do think that perseverance is a quality I should be proud of myself for though. Many hours, years, spent with very little improvement on paper. However, I feel that my game is greatly improving at an increasing rate, and the results will come soon.

I might not have picked up this game super quickly and been crushing right off the bat, but I will continue to improve and not give up, and make my way to the top.
11-18-2023 , 06:56 PM
PartyPoker hand export is not working for me currently - uploading only like 200 hands from the last couples days. Anyone know what’s going on?

      
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