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Moving up and grinding a decent roll on Bovada.  Possibly future career? Moving up and grinding a decent roll on Bovada.  Possibly future career?

08-25-2015 , 06:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheStuntman
I got back from Vegas yesterday. Played about 15-16 hours of poker and made a bit over 100/hr. Played in some tough tables, at one point I played in a table that in my estimation had 6 regs. I also played against a 2 time WPT final table finalist/former online grinder, and Kelly Kim, one of the first original November Niners. I also saw David Benyamine at a 2/5 table. I actually ran into him earlier in the day as he was leaving the towers of the Venetian. He looked familiar, but couldn't put my finger on it. At first, I thought he was a former co-worker of mine, but someone pointed it out to me that he was David Benyamine and it hit me who he was.

Anyways, another thing I wanted to write is that after this trip and after something stupid and ******ed that happened at work before I left for Vegas, I am VERY heavily leaning towards leaving my job and going professional. I'll do it for about a year before I start student teaching/teaching, once I get my teaching credential. I still haven't fully decided it yet, but at this point, I really hate my job right now and this point I either do this now or never. Stay tuned.
i think youd do well playing full time if you went that route. if so is it gonna be online, live or a combo of both?
08-25-2015 , 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by 4GET2PWNED0
i think youd do well playing full time if you went that route. if so is it gonna be online, live or a combo of both?
My plan is to play live Thursday-Sunday afternoon/night and play online Monday and Tuesday and take Wednesday off.
08-28-2015 , 12:13 AM
Start: 5757.46
End: 5531.12
Loss: (226.34)

Played some cash, ran bad, idiots ran good against me. That is all.
08-28-2015 , 05:42 AM
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Originally Posted by TheStuntman
My plan is to play live Thursday-Sunday afternoon/night and play online Monday and Tuesday and take Wednesday off.

seems solid obv playing live those days, if you start feeling burnt out you can cut some online time
08-28-2015 , 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by 4GET2PWNED0
seems solid obv playing live those days, if you start feeling burnt out you can cut some online time
Yea, maybe I'll just play live, and some online if I didn't win enough or something like that. I'm sure I"ll think of something as I wish to maintain a balance of playing and relaxation. I would also take the opportunity to travel around. I haven't been around at all, the furthest East I've gone is Colorado.
08-29-2015 , 02:59 AM
Start: 5531.12
End: 5551.12
Profit: 20

Won 1 of 2 Triple or Nothing's while studying for my 2nd CSET test.
08-30-2015 , 05:01 AM
So I played at the bike for my first live session in LA in over a year. I was up about a 100 when this hand happened. eff stacks 1100 5/5 blinds. I have TJ ss UTG, I raise to 20 MP calls, BTN calls, blinds fold. Flop is Q 9 5 ss. I flop OESD with flush. I cbet to 30, MP calls, BTN raises to 140, I reraise to 350, BTN ships, I call. Turn is a Q. river is a blank. I probably should've just flatted the raise. BTN usually has a set there and flips over 55. Other than that, I ran pretty bad except for an AK vs AK hand where I had the ace of clubs and hit a flush after we went all in preflop so I won about 600 that way. The table was pretty solid, lots of aggression and stealing, I was very surprised. I was pretty card dead, and couldn't get going or hit. I am down about 900 after about a bit over 4 hour session. This session dented my plans of going pro, I'm going to play more sessions to gain a feeling to see if I should do it or not.

Start: 5551.12
End: 5611.12
Profit: 60

Anyways, I came home and studied and played 6 ToNs and won 3.
08-30-2015 , 06:00 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheStuntman
So I played at the bike for my first live session in LA in over a year. I was up about a 100 when this hand happened. eff stacks 1100 5/5 blinds. I have TJ ss UTG, I raise to 20 MP calls, BTN calls, blinds fold. Flop is Q 9 5 ss. I flop OESD with flush. I cbet to 30, MP calls, BTN raises to 140, I reraise to 350, BTN ships, I call. Turn is a Q. river is a blank. I probably should've just flatted the raise. BTN usually has a set there and flips over 55. Other than that, I ran pretty bad except for an AK vs AK hand where I had the ace of clubs and hit a flush after we went all in preflop so I won about 600 that way. The table was pretty solid, lots of aggression and stealing, I was very surprised. I was pretty card dead, and couldn't get going or hit. I am down about 900 after about a bit over 4 hour session. This session dented my plans of going pro, I'm going to play more sessions to gain a feeling to see if I should do it or not.

Start: 5551.12
End: 5611.12
Profit: 60

Anyways, I came home and studied and played 6 ToNs and won 3.
dont let one session get ya down. youre used to six max cash online so youre gonna have to gear it down a little playing live and full ring but i think youll adjust just fine. you said the table was solid, why didnt ya request a table change and find a easier spot? live is even softer than bovada, keep your head up!
08-30-2015 , 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by 4GET2PWNED0
dont let one session get ya down. youre used to six max cash online so youre gonna have to gear it down a little playing live and full ring but i think youll adjust just fine. you said the table was solid, why didnt ya request a table change and find a easier spot? live is even softer than bovada, keep your head up!
There was only 2 tables running at the time. People were moving away from that game to play in my game. Later on there was 5. Probably should've done a table change.
08-30-2015 , 03:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheStuntman
This session dented my plans of going pro, I'm going to play more sessions to gain a feeling to see if I should do it or not.
That's part of the problem in itself. If one session going not great, not even bad, is going to be an issue it's probably not the right choice. It was just 1BI assuming you bought in deep, or 2BI, which is nothing as well, and shouldn't affect you in the slightest. Ultimately, as said before, poker in the short term is variance, and if you run bottom 20%, life will suck. You can bet that you'll run better than that, but without the security of steady income to back you up, it's likely that your play would also suffer, which means it won't take much run bad to put you in a tight spot.

Keep feeling it out though, keep trying, and if you run alright, play well, and make 10bi or whatever and are confident, give it a shot. But don't rush into it, no matter what you think, you've always got time, and you'll always have time. Mentally, we always want to rush, but it's important that we reign in those thoughts and approach things patiently, and with focus/a plan.

With that last session changing your mind about things a bit, I'd assume mentally you were getting hyped up about going pro due to the last win, probably building it up in your head, thinking you could do it, focusing on all the ****ty aspects of your job, along with the good aspects of poker, travel, etc. It's tough to try and morph your inner monologue, but it's one of the most important skills a poker player can learn, you can't let your emotions dictate your mental state or bias your personal thoughts towards looking towards the bad of one thing, or the good of another.

To close, I should say that I'm sure you could go pro and make $, your skill is definitely at that level. The only question is if your mental state is going to be rushed, and predicated on external factors, or if it's going to be slow, methodical, and approached with a solid plan. You have been taking it slow so far which is good, but it seems like mentally you're ready to go right now, which is why the last session negatively impacted you, but ultimately it's just what, 20 total hours of live play so far? Not a sample.
08-30-2015 , 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Malefiicus
That's part of the problem in itself. If one session going not great, not even bad, is going to be an issue it's probably not the right choice. It was just 1BI assuming you bought in deep, or 2BI, which is nothing as well, and shouldn't affect you in the slightest. Ultimately, as said before, poker in the short term is variance, and if you run bottom 20%, life will suck. You can bet that you'll run better than that, but without the security of steady income to back you up, it's likely that your play would also suffer, which means it won't take much run bad to put you in a tight spot.

Keep feeling it out though, keep trying, and if you run alright, play well, and make 10bi or whatever and are confident, give it a shot. But don't rush into it, no matter what you think, you've always got time, and you'll always have time. Mentally, we always want to rush, but it's important that we reign in those thoughts and approach things patiently, and with focus/a plan.

With that last session changing your mind about things a bit, I'd assume mentally you were getting hyped up about going pro due to the last win, probably building it up in your head, thinking you could do it, focusing on all the ****ty aspects of your job, along with the good aspects of poker, travel, etc. It's tough to try and morph your inner monologue, but it's one of the most important skills a poker player can learn, you can't let your emotions dictate your mental state or bias your personal thoughts towards looking towards the bad of one thing, or the good of another.

To close, I should say that I'm sure you could go pro and make $, your skill is definitely at that level. The only question is if your mental state is going to be rushed, and predicated on external factors, or if it's going to be slow, methodical, and approached with a solid plan. You have been taking it slow so far which is good, but it seems like mentally you're ready to go right now, which is why the last session negatively impacted you, but ultimately it's just what, 20 total hours of live play so far? Not a sample.
Very well said bro, mental game is def a big factor when going full time
08-30-2015 , 04:36 PM
just subbed OP, glgl man, I wish you well on your journey and tyty for letting us join the ride
08-30-2015 , 07:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Malefiicus
That's part of the problem in itself. If one session going not great, not even bad, is going to be an issue it's probably not the right choice. It was just 1BI assuming you bought in deep, or 2BI, which is nothing as well, and shouldn't affect you in the slightest. Ultimately, as said before, poker in the short term is variance, and if you run bottom 20%, life will suck. You can bet that you'll run better than that, but without the security of steady income to back you up, it's likely that your play would also suffer, which means it won't take much run bad to put you in a tight spot.

Keep feeling it out though, keep trying, and if you run alright, play well, and make 10bi or whatever and are confident, give it a shot. But don't rush into it, no matter what you think, you've always got time, and you'll always have time. Mentally, we always want to rush, but it's important that we reign in those thoughts and approach things patiently, and with focus/a plan.

With that last session changing your mind about things a bit, I'd assume mentally you were getting hyped up about going pro due to the last win, probably building it up in your head, thinking you could do it, focusing on all the ****ty aspects of your job, along with the good aspects of poker, travel, etc. It's tough to try and morph your inner monologue, but it's one of the most important skills a poker player can learn, you can't let your emotions dictate your mental state or bias your personal thoughts towards looking towards the bad of one thing, or the good of another.

To close, I should say that I'm sure you could go pro and make $, your skill is definitely at that level. The only question is if your mental state is going to be rushed, and predicated on external factors, or if it's going to be slow, methodical, and approached with a solid plan. You have been taking it slow so far which is good, but it seems like mentally you're ready to go right now, which is why the last session negatively impacted you, but ultimately it's just what, 20 total hours of live play so far? Not a sample.
Wow man, this is so insightful. I am very thankful. You basically situated my life situation to a tee. You are right, I really want to leave my job ASAP, yes you are right about 21 hours of live in the past 2 weeks is not enough of a sample size. The last session did negatively impact me, because I spent 16 hours making 1800 in profit only to lose half of it in one session. I am not sure what to do as of yet, but I am leaning towards one way. I won't be making any hasty decisions. Hopefully as I play more, I'll get a better feel on what decision to make.
08-30-2015 , 07:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheStuntman
So I played at the bike for my first live session in LA in over a year. I was up about a 100 when this hand happened. eff stacks 1100 5/5 blinds. I have TJ ss UTG, I raise to 20 MP calls, BTN calls, blinds fold. Flop is Q 9 5 ss. I flop OESD with flush. I cbet to 30, MP calls, BTN raises to 140, I reraise to 350, BTN ships, I call. Turn is a Q. river is a blank. I probably should've just flatted the raise. BTN usually has a set there and flips over 55. Other than that, I ran pretty bad except for an AK vs AK hand where I had the ace of clubs and hit a flush after we went all in preflop so I won about 600 that way. The table was pretty solid, lots of aggression and stealing, I was very surprised. I was pretty card dead, and couldn't get going or hit. I am down about 900 after about a bit over 4 hour session. This session dented my plans of going pro, I'm going to play more sessions to gain a feeling to see if I should do it or not.

Start: 5551.12
End: 5611.12
Profit: 60

Anyways, I came home and studied and played 6 ToNs and won 3.
Lol 1 bad session and now you're not gonna go "pro"
Do yourself a favor, work fulltime and play poker part time.
09-07-2015 , 03:27 AM
Start: 5611.12
End: 6019.20
Profit: 408.08

Played almost 3 and a half hours of zone at 50 and 100 NL and got some premiums and got paid off. Unfortunately, ran bad in some key spots where the mid pair got paired up or an Ace hit when I had Kings.
09-08-2015 , 01:34 AM
Start: 6019.20
End: 6257.45
Profit: 238.25

Played for almost an hour and a half 2 tabling 100 NL zone. Been running real hot again. I butchered a hand so bad, otherwise I would've been up A LOT more. We're ~245 bbs effective. I have AQ off. MP 2.75x raise. I flat, as I'm anticipating a squeeze. BTN squeezes to 12.50. Original raiser calls, I 4 bet to 39. BTN tank calls, Original raiser folds. Flop is 9 7 3 rainbow. I cbet to 48. BTN flats. Now I'm thinking villain might be slow playing KK/AA but TT, JJ and AK is in range as well. Turn is a Q. I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA WHY I DIDN'T PUT HIM ALL IN!!!! In my mind again, I'm thinking villain is slow playing KK/AA at this point. River is a J. Absolute worst card for me as JJ got there. I check, BTN bets out like 68 and I make a crying call and sure enough villain had JJ. UGHHHH lost 155 bucks! BLEH. I get super duper paranoid about someone slow playing Aces when I get super deep like that, but I need to realize I'll win the money back and it's an unfortunate cooler if I do run into Aces.

I'm trying to play a lot to see if being a pro by playing online through Bovada is viable. I don't want to leave too early without a significant sample size. I'm trying to get 100k hands ASAP to determine if I'm able to leave my job and play for a living for a year while I attend school. I think 2 tabling zone I can get about 400-450 hands an hour. I should start 4 tabling but I feel it may bring down my concentration level. Anyways, will keep you guys updated as I continue to decide if I leave my job or not.
09-08-2015 , 04:02 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by worried
Lol 1 bad session and now you're not gonna go "pro"
Do yourself a favor, work fulltime and play poker part time.
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheStuntman
Start: 6019.20
End: 6257.45
Profit: 238.25

Played for almost an hour and a half 2 tabling 100 NL zone. Been running real hot again. I butchered a hand so bad, otherwise I would've been up A LOT more. We're ~245 bbs effective. I have AQ off. MP 2.75x raise. I flat, as I'm anticipating a squeeze. BTN squeezes to 12.50. Original raiser calls, I 4 bet to 39. BTN tank calls, Original raiser folds. Flop is 9 7 3 rainbow. I cbet to 48. BTN flats. Now I'm thinking villain might be slow playing KK/AA but TT, JJ and AK is in range as well. Turn is a Q. I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA WHY I DIDN'T PUT HIM ALL IN!!!! In my mind again, I'm thinking villain is slow playing KK/AA at this point. River is a J. Absolute worst card for me as JJ got there. I check, BTN bets out like 68 and I make a crying call and sure enough villain had JJ. UGHHHH lost 155 bucks! BLEH. I get super duper paranoid about someone slow playing Aces when I get super deep like that, but I need to realize I'll win the money back and it's an unfortunate cooler if I do run into Aces.

I'm trying to play a lot to see if being a pro by playing online through Bovada is viable. I don't want to leave too early without a significant sample size. I'm trying to get 100k hands ASAP to determine if I'm able to leave my job and play for a living for a year while I attend school. I think 2 tabling zone I can get about 400-450 hands an hour. I should start 4 tabling but I feel it may bring down my concentration level. Anyways, will keep you guys updated as I continue to decide if I leave my job or not.
When I played on bovada zone i was averaging 180 hands/hour per table, but if you play tighter than me i guess its possible that you could average more.
09-08-2015 , 01:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by rtd353
When I played on bovada zone i was averaging 180 hands/hour per table, but if you play tighter than me i guess its possible that you could average more.
Yea, it really depends on how many hands you play if you decide to wait around on your blinds or what not.
09-08-2015 , 02:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheStuntman
Yea, it really depends on how many hands you play if you decide to wait around on your blinds or what not.
Never fast fold your big blind... ever... without seeing action first.
09-08-2015 , 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Brokenstars
Never fast fold your big blind... ever... without seeing action first.
I fast fold very often on the bb, especially if it's something trashy. In my opinion, it isn't worth it to wait around, only to be raised by the CO or BTN.
09-08-2015 , 02:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheStuntman
I fast fold very often on the bb, especially if it's something trashy. In my opinion, it isn't worth it to wait around, only to be raised by the CO or BTN.
That is so bad imo. If it only ever folds to you ONCE per 100 hands that adds 1.5bb to your win rate.... Then add in the fact people can limp in.... wow.
09-08-2015 , 04:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brokenstars
That is so bad imo. If it only ever folds to you ONCE per 100 hands that adds 1.5bb to your win rate.... Then add in the fact people can limp in.... wow.
If everyone folds to you even though you already fast folded on the BB, you win the hand. I'm sure it's not great for my winrate, but for my hourly win rate, might be better to fast fold my bb with junk holdings.
09-08-2015 , 04:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheStuntman
If everyone folds to you even though you already fast folded on the BB, you win the hand. I'm sure it's not great for my winrate, but for my hourly win rate, might be better to fast fold my bb with junk holdings.
Do you get the 1.5bb added to your stack or your bankroll and do you know this for a fact? I don't know if that's correct.

Anyways, watching any competent player who plays zoom/zone/rush, and none of them do this. None.
09-08-2015 , 04:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brokenstars
Do you get the 1.5bb added to your stack or your bankroll and do you know this for a fact? I don't know if that's correct.

Anyways, watching any competent player who plays zoom/zone/rush, and none of them do this. None.
Yes, you get the money added to your table balance the next hand.

You could make an argument for being table capped at 2 and thus folding 38o is -EV when the alternative is to play X amount of more hands.

I still don't think quick folding is a good idea but it can't be that bad with total air.
09-08-2015 , 05:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brokenstars
Do you get the 1.5bb added to your stack or your bankroll and do you know this for a fact? I don't know if that's correct.
Yes, it is correct. I see it asked relatively often, so I took a screenshot from it happening so people can see what it looks like... you can see in the chat that it tells me I won the blinds from a previous hand:


      
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