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05-20-2011 , 04:38 AM
I think stars is still a donation centre @ 10NL, not sure how it used to be because I'm not playing that long yet.
But i assume it used to be super soft hearing it from so many people. These days either you find you're typical Russian nits, who are ez to deal with ( bluff them in the right spots, and know when to fold).
The rest are just mainly small stackers who are super loose who you just have to take in the right spots. And for the regs, maybe 1-5% knows how to be a decent player @ 10NL, meaning consistently 3betting in the right spots and winning obv .. and also the guys who just give you money are there almost 24/7
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05-20-2011 , 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by furkae
Thx again!
LB for HEM: The prize is def. not a problem but I've read somewhere here it isn't that great either. Anyway, I'll think about it once more.
Not sure where you read that but, the video content (19 videos) alone, focusing on numerous aspects of your game, is worth it. It's seriously the next best thing to having a human analyze your stats and personally coach you through fixing them.
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05-20-2011 , 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by JustanAce
Not sure where you read that but, the video content (19 videos) alone, focusing on numerous aspects of your game, is worth it. It's seriously the next best thing to having a human analyze your stats and personally coach you through fixing them.
Oh OK, thx for the info. I think I'll invest in it.

I'm very tired and I don't feel like playing. Plus I was running good again (I called a 4bet shove w/ KK PF and I won which hadn't been typical in the last weeks).



Some hands where I faced a donk bet. In all of them villain was a huge fish w/ high postflop aggression (frequency). I'm not saying I played any of them correctly but again, I want to experiment as much as possible.

    Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

    BTN: $9.80 (98 bb)
    SB: $9.90 (99 bb)
    BB: $5.33 (53.3 bb)
    UTG: $8.26 (82.6 bb)
    MP: $10 (100 bb)
    Hero (CO): $10 (100 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with 6 K
    2 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, 2 folds, BB calls $0.20

    Flop: ($0.65) 2 2 9 (2 players)
    BB bets $0.20, Hero raises to $0.60, BB raises to $1, Hero folds

    Results: $1.85 pot ($0.09 rake)
    Final Board: 2 2 9
    BB mucked and won $1.76 ($0.86 net)
    Hero mucked 6 K and lost (-$0.90 net)


      Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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      UTG: $10.15 (101.5 bb)
      MP: $13.48 (134.8 bb)
      Hero (CO): $11.21 (112.1 bb)
      BTN: $7.59 (75.9 bb)
      SB: $10 (100 bb)
      BB: $3.27 (32.7 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is CO with 9 Q
      2 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, BTN folds, SB calls $0.25, BB calls $0.20

      Flop: ($0.90) 8 2 9 (3 players)
      SB checks, BB bets $0.20, Hero raises to $0.80, SB folds, BB calls $0.60

      Turn: ($2.50) K (2 players)
      BB bets $0.30, Hero calls $0.30

      River: ($3.10) 4 (2 players)
      BB bets $1.87, Hero folds

      Results: $3.10 pot ($0.14 rake)
      Final Board: 8 2 9 K 4
      Hero mucked 9 Q and lost (-$1.40 net)
      BB mucked and won $2.96 ($1.56 net)


        Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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        MP: $7.85 (78.5 bb)
        CO: $11.87 (118.7 bb)
        Hero (BTN): $10.34 (103.4 bb)
        SB: $9.75 (97.5 bb)
        BB: $11.01 (110.1 bb)
        UTG: $10.02 (100.2 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is BTN with Q A
        UTG calls $0.10, MP calls $0.10, CO folds, Hero raises to $0.40, SB calls $0.35, BB folds, UTG calls $0.30, MP calls $0.30

        Flop: ($1.70) 7 T K (4 players)
        SB checks, UTG checks, MP bets $0.30, Hero raises to $1.20, 2 folds, MP calls $0.90

        Turn: ($4.10) J (2 players)
        MP checks, Hero bets $2.92, MP folds

        Results: $4.10 pot ($0.20 rake)
        Final Board: 7 T K J
        MP mucked and lost (-$1.60 net)
        Hero mucked Q A and won $3.90 ($2.30 net)
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        05-21-2011 , 02:48 PM
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        Originally Posted by furkae
        Thx again!

        Flop aggression: I c-bet only around 60-65% which is perhaps low even at NL10. Reason is my turn c-bet% is high (around 65%) because I don't like just firing OTF and giving up OTT a lot. Perhaps I should fire some more flops and give up OTT if called.

        LB for HEM: The prize is def. not a problem but I've read somewhere here it isn't that great either. Anyway, I'll think about it once more.
        Actually almost all of the feedback is positive about LB. Only detractors there have ever been are speculators - people who don't own it. At your stake level, you're seriously going to lean a lot from it.

        I'd recommend thinking for yourself and checking out this video to see if it's a good fit:
        YouTube - ‪AcePokerSolutions's Channel‬‏

        And you can always ask me if you have any questions about it. GL with your game.
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        05-21-2011 , 04:04 PM
        Have just finished the 7th week into this challenge. Overall graph and some stats:


        • Volume: 24.547 hands
        • VP$IP/PFR: 23/19
        • 3bet: 4.3 (this week: 5.5)
        • Win-rate: 6.05 bb/100 (this week: 35.57 bb/100)
        • Ww/oSD: -12.14 bb/100 (this week: -7.44 bb/100)

        Villain in the following hand was a nitty regular (15/11 over 95 hands) but he 3bet a lot (13.5%). I was completely card dead at this table: this was my first open since I had sat down around 3 orbits before. Spew?

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          BB: $9.09 (90.9 bb)
          CO: $21.45 (214.5 bb)
          Hero (BTN): $10 (100 bb)
          SB: $10.05 (100.5 bb)

          Preflop: Hero is BTN with Q T
          CO folds, Hero raises to $0.25, SB raises to $0.90, BB folds, Hero raises to $2.40


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          Originally Posted by FreakDaddy
          Actually almost all of the feedback is positive about LB. Only detractors there have ever been are speculators - people who don't own it. At your stake level, you're seriously going to lean a lot from it.

          I'd recommend thinking for yourself and checking out this video to see if it's a good fit:
          YouTube - ‪AcePokerSolutions's Channel‬‏

          And you can always ask me if you have any questions about it. GL with your game.
          Thx, I'll watch the video you have suggested.
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          05-21-2011 , 05:34 PM
          K6s hand: on a paired board donking villains are less inclined to fold imo. i'd prefer a dryer board, but i don't hate raising sometimes either.

          Q9 hand: i'd play it the same way but the river. i think we can call here. turn and river card are blanks and villain is not repping that much. also couple of busted draws out there.

          AQ hand: i think we can raise a little larger pre for value. wp otf + ott (why 2,92$?!)

          QT hand: it's not bad to 4bet vs. this guys as a bluff. but if you suspect he's 3betting wide and have some reads on his postflop game i don't mind flatting QT IP: our hand can flop well, also having some reads we can raise some cbets or float and take a stab ott. i'd prefer 4betting as a bluff with an A or K.
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          05-21-2011 , 06:13 PM
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          Originally Posted by furkae
          Thx, I'll watch the video you have suggested.
          Yeah, absolutely. That's me in the video, so like I said if you have any questions, fire away. I'll give honest answers and feedback. I don't want anyone owning Leak Buster that isn't going to get a lot of benefit from it.
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          05-21-2011 , 07:47 PM
          I don't like the raise with K6. He's going to play back with a wide range and you really don't have much equity in that hand with K high. I wouldn't 3x K6s from CO with a 50bb fish on BB. K6s doesn't play well with those stack sizes IMO. If you go for a flop raise, I would go bigger when he minibets. If you bluffraise, I'd do it on the turn on a board like 922 with 2 hearts.

          Q9: What's your plan when you raise him? You have a hand with showdown value. Don't turn it to a pure bluff against a player with 30bb. A flop raise here can be good for thin value, but you have to continue on later streets. You look super weak when you call his turn minibet. You only have to be ahead 25% of the times on river to profitably call a half pot bet.

          QT: 95 hands is a very small sample for 3-betting frequencies. He might have had value hands everytime on such a small sample. I would check how many times he has had the possibility to 3-bet and from which position he has been 3-betting if I will start 4-bet bluffing early. I'd much rather do it with A or K blockers as well. I would rather rely on his low PFR statistics than high 3-bet statistics on such a small sample.
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          05-22-2011 , 03:56 AM
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          Originally Posted by baohoa
          K6s hand: on a paired board donking villains are less inclined to fold imo. i'd prefer a dryer board, but i don't hate raising sometimes either.
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          Originally Posted by 2Lazy2Work
          I don't like the raise with K6. He's going to play back with a wide range and you really don't have much equity in that hand with K high. I wouldn't 3x K6s from CO with a 50bb fish on BB. K6s doesn't play well with those stack sizes IMO. If you go for a flop raise, I would go bigger when he minibets. If you bluffraise, I'd do it on the turn on a board like 922 with 2 hearts.
          I don't know. I expect a lot of donk bets here as villain may think the flop hasn't hit my range (which is correct). So I'll rebluff in such cases and we'll see if it can be profitable.

          The preflop open was really to loose, I agree on this.

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          Originally Posted by baohoa
          Q9 hand: i'd play it the same way but the river. i think we can call here. turn and river card are blanks and villain is not repping that much. also couple of busted draws out there.
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          Originally Posted by 2Lazy2Work
          Q9: What's your plan when you raise him? You have a hand with showdown value. Don't turn it to a pure bluff against a player with 30bb. A flop raise here can be good for thin value, but you have to continue on later streets. You look super weak when you call his turn minibet. You only have to be ahead 25% of the times on river to profitably call a half pot bet.
          I raised for value OTF. And yes, the river is a call (I'm still folding too much OTR).

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          Originally Posted by baohoa
          AQ hand: i think we can raise a little larger pre for value. wp otf + ott (why 2,92$?!)
          Preflop I could've raised to $.50, you're right. OTT I didn't want him to fold and my line is very strong.

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          Originally Posted by baohoa
          QT hand: it's not bad to 4bet vs. this guys as a bluff. but if you suspect he's 3betting wide and have some reads on his postflop game i don't mind flatting QT IP: our hand can flop well, also having some reads we can raise some cbets or float and take a stab ott. i'd prefer 4betting as a bluff with an A or K.
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          Originally Posted by 2Lazy2Work
          QT: 95 hands is a very small sample for 3-betting frequencies. He might have had value hands everytime on such a small sample. I would check how many times he has had the possibility to 3-bet and from which position he has been 3-betting if I will start 4-bet bluffing early. I'd much rather do it with A or K blockers as well. I would rather rely on his low PFR statistics than high 3-bet statistics on such a small sample.
          The problem is I don't/won't have enough information on most of the villains (b/c small sample size) but I don't want to fold every time they're restealing. I'm not that good postflop so I don't want to call but I'd rather 4bet bluff preflop.

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          Originally Posted by FreakDaddy
          Yeah, absolutely. That's me in the video, so like I said if you have any questions, fire away. I'll give honest answers and feedback. I don't want anyone owning Leak Buster that isn't going to get a lot of benefit from it.
          I did watch the video. I'm interested in LB but I'm just not sure which version to buy.

          EDIT: Many thx for the replies!

          Last edited by furkae; 05-22-2011 at 03:57 AM. Reason: To say thank...
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          05-22-2011 , 05:23 AM
          I do have LB and i find it pretty useful. the standard version is ok for our limits. it does spot leaks basing on your stats. i use it and it actually indicates that i'm 3 barrelling too often and bluffing river too often. it's helpful also to track your strategy changes. on the other side numbers and stats don't tell the whole story, so even if everyithing seem ok you might have leaks that stats don't show (i get an overall -A- but in facts my game isn't that solid).
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          05-22-2011 , 03:58 PM
          Not a great session but it's fine given I have been running good this week.



          There were a lot of interesting hands. I'm posting these two where I faced a donk bet. In the first hand villain was a nitty player (17/14 over 145 hands, 1/1 donk bet). I think he almost always has a medium PP here...

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            Hero (CO): $10.15 (101.5 bb)
            BTN: $5.85 (58.5 bb)
            SB: $11.47 (114.7 bb)
            BB: $4.15 (41.5 bb)
            UTG: $9.21 (92.1 bb)
            MP: $3.87 (38.7 bb)

            Preflop: Hero is CO with 8 A
            UTG folds, MP calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.40, BTN folds, SB calls $0.35, 2 folds

            Flop: ($1) 4 7 4 (2 players)
            SB bets $0.76, Hero raises to $2, SB folds

            Results: $2.52 pot ($0.12 rake)
            Final Board: 4 7 4
            Hero mucked 8 A and won $2.40 ($1.24 net)
            SB mucked and lost (-$1.16 net)


            In the second hand villain was a fish (30/2 over 130 hands, 5/6 donk bets). He had a somehow low flop and turn aggression but a high river one.

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              CO: $9.85 (98.5 bb)
              BTN: $7.23 (72.3 bb)
              SB: $8.33 (83.3 bb)
              Hero (BB): $10 (100 bb)
              UTG: $10 (100 bb)
              MP: $11.66 (116.6 bb)

              Preflop: Hero is BB with 2 A
              4 folds, SB completes, Hero raises to $0.30, SB calls $0.20

              Flop: ($0.60) Q 3 K (2 players)
              SB bets $0.30, Hero raises to $1, SB calls $0.70

              Turn: ($2.60) A (2 players)
              SB checks, Hero bets $1.48, SB raises to $2.96, Hero folds

              Results: $5.56 pot ($0.27 rake)
              Final Board: Q 3 K A
              SB mucked and won $5.29 ($2.51 net)
              Hero mucked 2 A and lost (-$2.78 net)
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              05-22-2011 , 09:41 PM
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              Originally Posted by furkae
              I did watch the video. I'm interested in LB but I'm just not sure which version to buy.

              EDIT: Many thx for the replies!
              Standard version is fine. You can upgrade later when you're ready. It's a steal really at $50 for the amount of info you're going to get.
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              05-23-2011 , 03:49 PM
              Another not too good day.



              Raising donk bets as a bluff doesn't seem to be profitable ATM as villains simply don't fold.

              In the first hand villain was a huge aggrodonk fish (74/32 over 76 hands), donks 25% (3/12), very aggro OTT/OTR. My table image was nitty, postflop passive. I think I should've just shoved OTT.

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                BTN: $10 (100 bb)
                SB: $4.07 (40.7 bb)
                BB: $5.57 (55.7 bb)
                UTG: $12.82 (128.2 bb)
                Hero (MP): $10 (100 bb)
                CO: $8.18 (81.8 bb)

                Preflop: Hero is MP with 8 A
                UTG calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.40, 3 folds, BB calls $0.30, UTG folds

                Flop: ($0.95) K 4 4 (2 players)
                BB bets $0.60, Hero raises to $1.50, BB calls $0.90

                Turn: ($3.95) 6 (2 players)
                BB checks, Hero bets $2.25, BB calls $2.25

                River: ($8.45) 5 (2 players)
                BB bets $1.42 and is all-in, Hero folds

                Results: $8.45 pot ($0.41 rake)
                Final Board: K 4 4 6 5
                BB mucked and won $8.04 ($3.89 net)
                Hero mucked 8 A and lost (-$4.15 net)


                In the second hand villain was a 63/8 (over 172 hands), postflop aggro fish. He donks 45%. I think this was a really bad raise as villain is too short and I should have expected him to shove w/ his whole range.

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                  MP: $10 (100 bb)
                  CO: $2 (20 bb)
                  Hero (BTN): $10 (100 bb)
                  SB: $5.46 (54.6 bb)
                  BB: $10 (100 bb)
                  UTG: $14.31 (143.1 bb)

                  Preflop: Hero is BTN with A T
                  2 folds, CO calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.40, 2 folds, CO calls $0.30

                  Flop: ($0.95) 5 Q 7 (2 players)
                  CO bets $0.10, Hero raises to $0.76, CO raises to $1.42, Hero raises to $9.40, CO calls $0.18 and is all-in

                  Turn: ($4.15) 5 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
                  River: ($4.15) J (2 players, 1 is all-in)

                  Results: $4.15 pot ($0.20 rake)
                  Final Board: 5 Q 7 5 J
                  CO showed 6 6 and won $3.95 ($1.95 net)
                  Hero showed A T and lost (-$2.00 net)
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                  05-25-2011 , 03:49 PM
                  A 4-tabling winning session.



                  The first hand proves why bluff raising donk bets doesn't work vs shortstacked huge fish (and why raising for thin value is profitable).

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                    BTN: $5.80 (58 bb)
                    SB: $3.20 (32 bb)
                    BB: $10 (100 bb)
                    Hero (UTG): $10 (100 bb)
                    MP: $10.64 (106.4 bb)
                    CO: $9.85 (98.5 bb)

                    Preflop: Hero is UTG with 6 6
                    Hero raises to $0.40, 3 folds, SB calls $0.35, BB folds

                    Flop: ($0.90) 3 J 5 (2 players)
                    SB bets $0.40, Hero raises to $1.39, SB calls $0.99

                    Turn: ($3.68) 2 (2 players)
                    SB bets $1.41 and is all-in, Hero calls $1.41

                    River: ($6.50) 6 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

                    Results: $6.50 pot ($0.31 rake)
                    Final Board: 3 J 5 2 6
                    SB showed T 3 and lost (-$3.20 net)
                    Hero showed 6 6 and won $6.19 ($2.99 net)


                    In the second hand villain was a fishy passive player (26/6 over 242 hands). He has a postflop aggression of 26% and a very high F2Bet (no F2Raise) stat. Given how deep we were should I have raised anywhere in this hand?

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                      BB: $2.13 (21.3 bb)
                      UTG: $10.10 (101 bb)
                      MP: $4.20 (42 bb)
                      CO: $21.12 (211.2 bb)
                      Hero (BTN): $20.33 (203.3 bb)
                      SB: $10 (100 bb)

                      Preflop: Hero is BTN with 5 5
                      2 folds, CO raises to $0.50, Hero calls $0.50, 2 folds

                      Flop: ($1.15) 5 4 K (2 players)
                      CO bets $0.70, Hero calls $0.70

                      Turn: ($2.55) 7 (2 players)
                      CO bets $2, Hero calls $2

                      River: ($6.55) 2 (2 players)
                      CO checks, Hero checks
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                      05-25-2011 , 03:59 PM
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                      Originally Posted by furkae
                      A 4-tabling winning session.



                      The first hand proves why bluff raising donk bets doesn't work vs shortstacked huge fish (and why raising for thin value is profitable).

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                        BTN: $5.80 (58 bb)
                        SB: $3.20 (32 bb)
                        BB: $10 (100 bb)
                        Hero (UTG): $10 (100 bb)
                        MP: $10.64 (106.4 bb)
                        CO: $9.85 (98.5 bb)

                        Preflop: Hero is UTG with 6 6
                        Hero raises to $0.40, 3 folds, SB calls $0.35, BB folds

                        Flop: ($0.90) 3 J 5 (2 players)
                        SB bets $0.40, Hero raises to $1.39, SB calls $0.99

                        Turn: ($3.68) 2 (2 players)
                        SB bets $1.41 and is all-in, Hero calls $1.41

                        River: ($6.50) 6 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

                        Results: $6.50 pot ($0.31 rake)
                        Final Board: 3 J 5 2 6
                        SB showed T 3 and lost (-$3.20 net)
                        Hero showed 6 6 and won $6.19 ($2.99 net)


                        In the second hand villain was a fishy passive player (26/6 over 242 hands). He has a postflop aggression of 26% and a very high F2Bet (no F2Raise stats). Given how deep we were should I have raised anywhere in this hand?

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                          BB: $2.13 (21.3 bb)
                          UTG: $10.10 (101 bb)
                          MP: $4.20 (42 bb)
                          CO: $21.12 (211.2 bb)
                          Hero (BTN): $20.33 (203.3 bb)
                          SB: $10 (100 bb)

                          Preflop: Hero is BTN with 5 5
                          2 folds, CO raises to $0.50, Hero calls $0.50, 2 folds

                          Flop: ($1.15) 5 4 K (2 players)
                          CO bets $0.70, Hero calls $0.70

                          Turn: ($2.55) 7 (2 players)
                          CO bets $2, Hero calls $2

                          River: ($6.55) 2 (2 players)
                          CO checks, Hero checks

                          Hey,

                          55 hand probably raise flop to 1,50 - 1,90. we're very deep, but at this level i'd feel pretty confident even with medium set and i'd try to play a pot for around 70-100bbs. if pot gets bigger then that vs. passive fish then we're probably not good.
                          as played i'd bet/fold the river for thin value anyway, something around 2,50$ - 3,00$ to get calls from Kx and possibly 88-QQ . being so passive i doubt villain is going to bluff raise us with worse, but he's sometimes calling with worse.
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                          05-25-2011 , 04:23 PM
                          Strategy threads concerning red line improvements (updated)

                          General strategy threads:
                          3bet strategy threads:
                          Donk bet strategy threads:
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                          05-25-2011 , 04:30 PM
                          Quote:
                          Originally Posted by baohoa
                          Hey,

                          55 hand probably raise flop to 1,50 - 1,90. we're very deep, but at this level i'd feel pretty confident even with medium set and i'd try to play a pot for around 70-100bbs. if pot gets bigger then that vs. passive fish then we're probably not good.
                          as played i'd bet/fold the river for thin value anyway, something around 2,50$ - 3,00$ to get calls from Kx and possibly 88-QQ . being so passive i doubt villain is going to bluff raise us with worse, but he's sometimes calling with worse.
                          Thx. I know it's stupid but I was really afraid of being reraised by KK and folding out a lot of hands OTF which would call a bet on a later street. OTT his double barrel showed he had a big hand. OTR I could've bet really.
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                          05-26-2011 , 06:46 AM
                          Quote:
                          Originally Posted by furkae
                          Thx. I know it's stupid but I was really afraid of being reraised by KK and folding out a lot of hands OTF which would call a bet on a later street. OTT his double barrel showed he had a big hand. OTR I could've bet really.
                          the thing is that this board is not so dry, and there are many action killers for both players (especially a spade, but also any card completing a straight). plus a villain with AA or AK could put you on a draw and you get some action. i think this kind of villain will let you know if he has KK, because he'll try to go for stacks. until he doesn't i'd assume we're ahead.
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                          05-26-2011 , 03:55 PM
                          Another small losing day...

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                          05-27-2011 , 03:29 PM
                          A good day.



                          Is the river a(n easy) fold against an unknown (fishy) player?

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                            Hero (BTN): $10.80 (108 bb)
                            SB: $10 (100 bb)
                            BB: $13.58 (135.8 bb)
                            UTG: $7.90 (79 bb)
                            MP: $3.45 (34.5 bb)
                            CO: $9.60 (96 bb)

                            Preflop: Hero is BTN with K Q
                            UTG calls $0.10, MP folds, CO calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.40, SB folds, BB calls $0.30, UTG calls $0.30, CO calls $0.30

                            Flop: ($1.65) 7 Q A (4 players)
                            BB bets $0.15, UTG calls $0.15, CO folds, Hero calls $0.15

                            Turn: ($2.10) Q (3 players)
                            BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $1.20, BB folds, UTG calls $1.20

                            River: ($4.50) 8 (2 players)
                            UTG bets $6.15 and is all-in, Hero ???


                            Do we barrel that turn agains an unknown (possibly loose/passive) fish?

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                              UTG: $5.46 (54.6 bb)
                              MP: $4.10 (41 bb)
                              CO: $10 (100 bb)
                              Hero (BTN): $14.07 (140.7 bb)
                              SB: $8.32 (83.2 bb)
                              BB: $5.92 (59.2 bb)

                              Preflop: Hero is BTN with A J
                              UTG folds, MP calls $0.10, CO folds, Hero raises to $0.40, 2 folds, MP calls $0.30

                              Flop: ($0.95) 4 9 5 (2 players)
                              MP bets $0.20, Hero raises to $0.70, MP calls $0.50

                              Turn: ($2.35) 6 (2 players)
                              MP checks, Hero ???
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                              05-27-2011 , 06:24 PM
                              Quote:
                              Originally Posted by furkae
                              A good day.



                              Is the river a(n easy) fold against an unknown (fishy) player?

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                                Hero (BTN): $10.80 (108 bb)
                                SB: $10 (100 bb)
                                BB: $13.58 (135.8 bb)
                                UTG: $7.90 (79 bb)
                                MP: $3.45 (34.5 bb)
                                CO: $9.60 (96 bb)

                                Preflop: Hero is BTN with K Q
                                UTG calls $0.10, MP folds, CO calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.40, SB folds, BB calls $0.30, UTG calls $0.30, CO calls $0.30

                                Flop: ($1.65) 7 Q A (4 players)
                                BB bets $0.15, UTG calls $0.15, CO folds, Hero calls $0.15

                                Turn: ($2.10) Q (3 players)
                                BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $1.20, BB folds, UTG calls $1.20

                                River: ($4.50) 8 (2 players)
                                UTG bets $6.15 and is all-in, Hero ???


                                Do we barrel that turn agains an unknown (possibly loose/passive) fish?

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                                  UTG: $5.46 (54.6 bb)
                                  MP: $4.10 (41 bb)
                                  CO: $10 (100 bb)
                                  Hero (BTN): $14.07 (140.7 bb)
                                  SB: $8.32 (83.2 bb)
                                  BB: $5.92 (59.2 bb)

                                  Preflop: Hero is BTN with A J
                                  UTG folds, MP calls $0.10, CO folds, Hero raises to $0.40, 2 folds, MP calls $0.30

                                  Flop: ($0.95) 4 9 5 (2 players)
                                  MP bets $0.20, Hero raises to $0.70, MP calls $0.50

                                  Turn: ($2.35) 6 (2 players)
                                  MP checks, Hero ???
                                  hand 1 is tough to' say, it really depends on villain. If he can overvalue qj, qt...but i think we'll see a set most of the times.
                                  AJ hand i prefer flatting otf and try to' realize our equity with likely six outs and fold turn unimproved if villain bets again. His donking range is prolly pairs and draws. On this particular turn i wouldnt bet: it's an undercard to the flop+ some sd like 67 now catched a pair. If you fire now you should probably
                                  shove blank rivers as well if villain flats again
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                                  05-28-2011 , 01:24 AM
                                  Thx baohoa! In the first hand I almost snap called although I should have realized a river donk overbet shove is the nuts at this limit. In the second hand I don't like just flatting OTF as I have to give up on most turn. On the other hand I can fire a double barrel on lots of turns if I have raised OTF. As played I checked back and we went to SD and he showed A5.
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                                  05-28-2011 , 11:44 AM
                                  It has been a fish fest today which made my red line down but my green line up even more.



                                  In the next two hands villain was the same. He was a tight reggish player (17/13, normal (not too high) postflop aggression over 72 hands). Is his river bet a blocking bet? Is shoving OTR spew?

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                                    MP: $8.50 (85 bb)
                                    Hero (CO): $10 (100 bb)
                                    BTN: $7.59 (75.9 bb)
                                    SB: $10 (100 bb)
                                    BB: $14.05 (140.5 bb)
                                    UTG: $3.75 (37.5 bb)

                                    Preflop: Hero is CO with Q K
                                    UTG folds, MP calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.40, BTN folds, SB calls $0.35, BB folds, MP calls $0.30

                                    Flop: ($1.30) Q 5 A (3 players)
                                    SB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $0.93, SB calls $0.93, MP folds

                                    Turn: ($3.16) 6 (2 players)
                                    SB checks, Hero bets $1.80, SB calls $1.80

                                    River: ($6.76) T (2 players)
                                    SB bets $2.80, Hero folds


                                    It was his first (and only) 3bet. Is my line profitable?

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                                      MP: $14.57 (145.7 bb)
                                      CO: $8.40 (84 bb)
                                      Hero (BTN): $13.65 (136.5 bb)
                                      SB: $4 (40 bb)
                                      BB: $14.79 (147.9 bb)
                                      UTG: $12.26 (122.6 bb)

                                      Preflop: Hero is BTN with Q Q
                                      3 folds, Hero raises to $0.25, SB folds, BB raises to $0.90, Hero calls $0.65

                                      Flop: ($1.85) 2 7 8 (2 players)
                                      BB bets $1.20, Hero calls $1.20

                                      Turn: ($4.25) 7 (2 players)
                                      BB bets $2.70, Hero calls $2.70

                                      River: ($9.65) 4 (2 players)
                                      BB checks, Hero checks
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                                      05-28-2011 , 12:44 PM
                                      Quote:
                                      Originally Posted by furkae
                                      It has been a fish fest today which made my red line down but my green line up even more.



                                      In the next two hands villain was the same. He was a tight reggish player (17/13, normal (not too high) postflop aggression over 72 hands). Is his river bet a blocking bet? Is shoving OTR spew?

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                                        MP: $8.50 (85 bb)
                                        Hero (CO): $10 (100 bb)
                                        BTN: $7.59 (75.9 bb)
                                        SB: $10 (100 bb)
                                        BB: $14.05 (140.5 bb)
                                        UTG: $3.75 (37.5 bb)

                                        Preflop: Hero is CO with Q K
                                        UTG folds, MP calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.40, BTN folds, SB calls $0.35, BB folds, MP calls $0.30

                                        Flop: ($1.30) Q 5 A (3 players)
                                        SB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $0.93, SB calls $0.93, MP folds

                                        Turn: ($3.16) 6 (2 players)
                                        SB checks, Hero bets $1.80, SB calls $1.80

                                        River: ($6.76) T (2 players)
                                        SB bets $2.80, Hero folds


                                        It was his first (and only) 3bet. Is my line profitable?

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                                          MP: $14.57 (145.7 bb)
                                          CO: $8.40 (84 bb)
                                          Hero (BTN): $13.65 (136.5 bb)
                                          SB: $4 (40 bb)
                                          BB: $14.79 (147.9 bb)
                                          UTG: $12.26 (122.6 bb)

                                          Preflop: Hero is BTN with Q Q
                                          3 folds, Hero raises to $0.25, SB folds, BB raises to $0.90, Hero calls $0.65

                                          Flop: ($1.85) 2 7 8 (2 players)
                                          BB bets $1.20, Hero calls $1.20

                                          Turn: ($4.25) 7 (2 players)
                                          BB bets $2.70, Hero calls $2.70

                                          River: ($9.65) 4 (2 players)
                                          BB checks, Hero checks
                                          KQ hand: what's villain WTSD? 3bet %? foldvcbet otf and ott?
                                          betting flop mw is pretty thin imo and as played i'd probably check turn and check back river as well or call a small bet for info. you don't get calls from worse ott so no point in betting.
                                          otr it seems a blocking bet but... villain's range here is probably ATs, AJs, and sometimes AQ+. by shoving we're not repping anything but AA, QQ and he probably has blockers for them. if we we switched the A otf with the T otr i'd like it better. it's probably -EV

                                          QQ hand: i think you played it ok.
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                                          05-28-2011 , 12:48 PM
                                          Quote:
                                          Originally Posted by baohoa
                                          KQ hand: what's villain WTSD? 3bet %? foldvcbet otf and ott?
                                          betting flop mw is pretty thin imo
                                          otf when we bet we want to get value from the fish (if the limper is a fish), but when SB calls i think we're done with the hand
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