Won a half BI today but it wasn't a good session at all (again). Flop c-bet: 28%. Nice.


Hand #1:
Villain was playing 50/24, fold to c-bet: 4/8, low postflop AFq.

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.16(BB) Replayer
SB ($13.32)
Hero ($16)
CO ($13.66)
BTN ($6.60)

Dealt to Hero K A

fold, BTN calls $0.16, SB raises to $0.64, Hero raises to $1.92, fold, SB calls $1.28

FLOP ($4) 3 2 9

SB checks, Hero checks

TURN ($4) 3 2 9 6

SB bets $1.44, Hero folds

SB wins $3.82


Hand #2:
In this hand MP was a reg, BTN was a huge loose/passive fish, and BB was another fish who was very aggro postflop. I think it's a very easy c-bet as BB has likely something (otherwise he would have donked).

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.16(BB) Replayer
SB ($16.15)
BB ($10.28)
Hero ($16)
UTG+1 ($16)
CO ($10.14)
BTN ($9.41)

Dealt to Hero A T

Hero raises to $0.48, UTG+1 calls $0.48, fold, BTN calls $0.48, fold, BB calls $0.32

FLOP ($2) A 5 4

BB checks, Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, BTN checks

TURN ($2) A 5 4 Q

BB bets $0.64, Hero calls $0.64, UTG+1 folds, BTN calls $0.64

RIVER ($3.92) A 5 4 Q K

BB bets $0.80, Hero calls $0.80, BTN raises to $2.88, BB calls $2.08, Hero folds

BTN shows K K
(Pre 67%, Flop 8.7%, Turn 4.5%)

BB shows 9 A
(Pre 33%, Flop 91.3%, Turn 95.5%)

BTN wins $10.01

These hands are so tilting... Villain was an unknown fish (38/6 over only 17 hands), fold to c-bet: 0/4 but passive postflop.

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.16(BB) Replayer
SB ($13.87)
BB ($8)
UTG ($19.09)
Hero ($16.43)
CO ($14.08)
BTN ($29.31)

Dealt to Hero A A

fold, Hero raises to $0.56, CO calls $0.56, fold, fold, BB calls $0.40

FLOP ($1.76) 3 8 T

BB checks, Hero bets $1.51, CO calls $1.51, BB folds

TURN ($4.78) 3 8 T 8

Hero bets $3.42, CO raises to $12.01 (AI), Hero folds

CO wins $11.10

Things are getting better. Over 20k hands:

I have the feeling u look too much at AFq, especially with small samples. when u have less than 100 hands AF is not that important unless it is way too high or way too low.

AKo hand I cbet otf to pick up dead money, + u have good cards to barrell ott and 6 real good outs most of the times. once u check I tend to call at least 1 ott

AT hand cbet for value ainec. especially with the fish in the pot. tons of worse hands call here

AA . I don't mind the fold esp given that his line is pretty strong. HU I am not folding this after 17 hands tbh

I think AFq is quite reliable even after a few hands (esp. as in these hands villains are either way too aggro or passive).

Yes, I should have c-bet OTF (this seems a quite big leak) but I don't know if x/c'ing OTT were really profitable.

Yes.

Although we don't know but I suppose he can do this w/ some TP hands too. I needed 30% equity but - as we know so little about him - I doubt we can give him any reliable range. I basically suppose he has way more 8x hands than Tx hands.

Thx!

In my experience AF and Afq are useful (like any info...better than not having info at all), but often redundant over decent samples (they dont tell u much more than what VPIP/PFR and the gap between them already do), or not reliable over small ones (and when they are reliable they are often redundant).
I dont use it much tbh, and I know many other players that dont at all at uNL.
If u look at ur own stats at the table after 30-50-100 hands u can see how misleading they can be.
Also AF and AFq dont really tell u the type of action V is taking and on board texture, etc. Calls-checks-folds are not the same thing, bets-raises not the same either. but these stats treat them the same.
Also U can see people with low AF otf and ott and high otr...over a small sample that means nothing, could be slowplaying, could be a bluff, could be hitting something otr...

I just tend to look at the pop up stats (raice cbet, donk and stuff like that) when the occasion arises, but since they mostly call or fold, it is just a matter of evaluating their ranges and decide if we are betting for value or not. So most of the times I look at vpip/pfr and that's it. With small samples I just keep it simple. Over small sample sizes most of the times a passive player pf will be passive postflop, regardless of what AF or AFq say imho.
Sometimes u will find the 'special type'. If their range is wide and I see them raising a bit too often or betting too much then I will adjust. But that read comes more from a note that I would take at the table rather than AFq. That single note could tell much more than all other stats. And notes on fishes are pretty easy to get.

Playing uNL and having low volume I would suggest to keep your HUD very simple (as extreme as vpip/pfr/3b/wtsd and maybe foldvcbet).

hand 1: id definitely cbet and probably barrel off on that board.having the As helps a lot as we block nut fd's and we ofc can make it. any spade is going to be a scare card to villain and gives us equity.

hand 2: im cbetting in this spot, boards jsut too dry.

AA hand: i wouldnt cbet flop so big, i guess its fine due to board being so dry but we're multiway so idk id go slightly smaller perhaps.

whats you wr at 16nl btw?

I understand why you suggest ignoring AFq (BTW I don't use AF at all) until I have a decent sample on villain but I use it mainly in connection with (very) loose players who see a lot of flops and I do think it's quite reliable (although of course villain can always hit over let's say 40 hands but I take that risk). On the other hand there are quite a few fish with stats like 40/5 but with high AFq.

I also extensively use the pop-up stats (e.g. fold to c-bet%). Unfortunately it's often impossible to have reads on somebody after 40 hands so you only have those stats to make the decision.

Yeah, I should c-bet way more. This is a big leak of mine.

Well, against a station who can't fold OTF it's fine IMO.

I'm practically BE (around 6BI under EV), s. the latest graph a few posts earlier.

Thx guys!

yeah i do agree vs a station is good, idk i jst find it much easier to b/f when i havent bet so big but yeah i like your play anyway.

glgl!

Yes, that's why I said it's so tilting , but I still think we should bet big on both streets against such a player.

Thx.

Booked a winning session again.


Hand #1:
Against a quite good reg (despite his stack size) who had standard stats. SB was a loose/passive fish. The reg tanked long before shoving. I think he thinks I know that his shove looks like AK. Too much thinking/leveling?

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.16(BB) Replayer
SB ($15.47)
BB ($9.14)
Hero ($16.74)
UTG+1 ($4.14)
CO ($11.91)
BTN ($20.78)

Dealt to Hero Q Q

Hero raises to $0.56, fold, fold, fold, SB calls $0.48, BB raises to $9.14 (AI), fold, fold

BB wins $1.68


Hand #2:
Against a completely unknown player (just posted). x/c flop and x/f turn?

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.16(BB) Replayer
SB ($15.43)
BB ($5.75)
Hero ($32.47)
UTG+1 ($5.02)
CO ($12.80)
BTN ($22.30)

CO posts $0.16

Dealt to Hero K K

Hero raises to $0.80, fold, CO calls $0.64, fold, fold, fold

FLOP ($1.60) A 2 3

Hero checks, CO bets $0.80, Hero folds

CO wins $1.76


Hand #3:
Villain is an aggrodonk (52/22 over 93 hands, fold to 3bet: 0/5, fold to c-bet: 3/9, 45% AFq). I think c-betting is fine if you have a plan for the turn. Do we have one?

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.16(BB) Replayer
Hero ($18.14)
BB ($16)
UTG ($17.54)
CO ($22.18)
BTN ($16.50)

Dealt to Hero K A

UTG raises to $0.48, CO calls $0.48, fold, Hero raises to $2.24, fold, UTG calls $1.76, fold

FLOP ($5.12) 7 4 5

Hero checks, UTG checks

TURN ($5.12) 7 4 5 J

Hero checks, UTG bets $1.28, Hero folds

UTG wins $4.89

Only a small loosing session despite running into coolers (set over set or set over AA in 3bet pot). It has been proved again that passive fish only take aggro lines w/ the nuts. What a surprise

Like in the following hand I seriously think I should have folded OTT. Villain is a very passive huge fish (54/4, 15% AFq).

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.16(BB) Replayer
SB ($3.68)
BB ($16)
UTG ($6.75)
Hero ($22.71)
CO ($10.62)
BTN ($41.24)

Dealt to Hero Q Q

UTG calls $0.16, Hero raises to $0.56, fold, BTN calls $0.56, fold, fold, UTG calls $0.40

FLOP ($1.92) 9 9 4

UTG bets $0.32, Hero calls $0.32, BTN calls $0.32

TURN ($2.88) 9 9 4 7

UTG bets $0.64, Hero calls $0.64, BTN calls $0.64

RIVER ($4.80) 9 9 4 7 2

UTG bets $0.64, Hero calls $0.64, BTN folds

UTG shows 9 J
(Pre 14%, Flop 91.4%, Turn 95.5%)

Hero shows Q Q
(Pre 86%, Flop 8.6%, Turn 4.5%)

UTG wins $5.81

Hi fellow uBalla

You are certainly levelling yourself here although calling is a bit close against his strong range. But meh, how can u fold?

c/c>bet>>>>>>>c/f against an unknown imo


You really can never fold to those rediculous bets vs anyone.


As a general thought about your fine thread, I would like you to try more to follow the initial purpose of it and flatten your red line. You seem to handread well when facing aggression, why don't u start using your wisdom and apply more pressure on them? Just try to find more good spots to barrel when your range is stronger than theirs, c/r scary turns+rivers vs the right weak-tight guys etc. I really think you can cut your nonshowdown loses down without spewing.

I may not be the most appropriate person to talk about red lines but here is a generally crappy graph of my last efforts to be more aggressive at the mikros.


My previous results were very similar to yours regarding nonshowdown. Then, I tried to get more aggressive and you can see I ripped them good at the first 7k hands of the graph which is 5nl. Next hands are 10/16nl. The graph is crappy overall despite the rungood but I just wanna point out that it's easy winning more by being aggressive at the micros.
Good luck with everything you decide to do. Cheers

Forgive my mistake 2nd line bottom to top, I obv mean winning more before showdown.

Thx for your comments and thx for the encouragement. You're definitely right that I should be attacking weak ranges more often but I'm just too weak and that's it.

Today I was destroyed again (but only lost half a BI). I also think I shouldn't play 4 tables (but only two or perhaps three) but that way my low volume would be ever lower... IDK.

Don't play less than 3, it's not worthing the time imo. 2tabling zoom would be a nice game for you as you can play way more hands/hr and you'll have to focus on two tables at maximum. I remember you said you can't concentrate at zoom tables but why not if it's just two? Even 1 zoom table would be better.

No, I haven't played zoom and I won't play it either. I think if I want to improve I have to stick to normal tables where you can get reads and use your hand reading skills against fish.

How do you play these two successive hands against the same player on the same table? Villain was playing 50/32 over 39 hands (7.7% 3bet, low flop but very high turn and river AFq). Do you c-bet any of them? What about the turn?

Hand #1:
Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.16(BB) Replayer
SB ($14.75)
BB ($20.70)
UTG ($15.61)
Hero ($16.24)
CO ($18.48)
BTN ($7.23)

Dealt to Hero A K

fold, Hero raises to $0.56, fold, fold, SB calls $0.48, fold

FLOP ($1.28) T 5 3

SB checks, Hero checks

TURN ($1.28) T 5 3 8

SB bets $0.48, Hero calls $0.48

RIVER ($2.24) T 5 3 8 4

SB bets $3, Hero folds

SB wins $2.14


Hand #2:
Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.16(BB) Replayer
SB ($20.54)
BB ($15.61)
Hero ($16)
UTG+1 ($18.48)
CO ($7.23)
BTN ($15.85)

Dealt to Hero K A

Hero raises to $0.56, fold, fold, BTN calls $0.56, fold, fold

FLOP ($1.36) 4 J 8

Hero checks, BTN bets $0.48, Hero calls $0.48

TURN ($2.32) 4 J 8 5

Hero checks, BTN bets $1.92, Hero folds

BTN wins $2.22

GL OP!

Hands from October 14th.

#1. I think it is a good fold, good regs just do not shove that light pre flop.

#2. You cannot just assume he has A there. I would be flatting flop and most of turns and on the river expect villain to be straight forward. It is very possible you checked so he bet cheap (50%) to take it away.

#3. Same as in hand #2, you checked twice villain assumed weakness and took super cheap stub at it, you will be better off not to 3bet AK if you not planning on cbeting flop.

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Thx!

^^^ H3: That flop seemed a bad one to c-bet on. IDK.

This is massive. Why play against the top of most peoples ranges when we can sit with fish playing the bottom of theirs on the normal tables.

Both AK hands I feel you should bet the flop if you are willing to call a bet with them. It gives you two ways to win the hand.

The first board isnt that bad and theres lots of good cards that can come on the turn. Any A/K/Q/J will give you the choice to barrel.

I think the 2nd hand is better as we then could hit a Diamond on the turn as well as the overs. If we dont improve we are going to have to shut down most of the time but we will improve enough of the time to make a bet profitable even if we think we get called a lot of the time.

^^^ Yeah, thx. I just hate c-betting OTF and giving up OTT. At NL16 over around 22k hands: flop c-bet/c-bet success: 49,8%/48,2%. The same OTT: 74%/46,2%.

So I should c-bet a bit more often (like in the above hands) but give up (way) more often OTT?!?

Furk, please bet the flop!!!!!!! you should cbet like 65% and continue on the turn ~50%.

You give up way too easily

^^^ Yes, I know. Actually If I c-bet more OTF but in those extra hands I would give up OTT then I would have a more reasonable flop and also turn c-bet% stat.

Yesterday I played the usual live tourney. I was eliminated with AKs < QQ PFAI when we both only had 10bb. I think I played well but you have to win so many AI's that's incredible. I won one where I only had 5bb and shoved w/ 56o (LOL) after 3 limpers(!). First limper called with 77 and flopped a set but lost against my turned straight. Other than that I lost several ones where I was a 65/35 favorite...

One interesting hand: villain is a better taggish player who is capable to bluff (but not overly often). He limps in in EP, SB overlimps and I check on BB w/ J9o.

Flop is 9Qxr and goes check/check. Turn is another 9 and I bet small and both players call. River is a blank (2) and I bet smallish again and he insta min raises. The SB folds. Now what? I needed around 20% equity. Easy call?