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12-14-2018 , 08:45 PM
While it doesn't seem like 6 really ever wanted to put in any effort toward poker, I doubt he wants a job, either.

6, are you thinking of doing anything other than poker atm? Going back to your premise of turning pro because you don't want a **** job/boss, it seems like nothing has changed on that front.
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12-14-2018 , 08:59 PM
Well according to DLuo Melbourne is just handing out 30$/hr jobs so 6b should be fine if he goes broke.
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12-14-2018 , 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Leobzook
I don't get why you wouldn't leave a relatively small 5K of debt which would still give you a reasonable bankroll
because OP wanted to be a 'free man' to travel around the world. with his 4k life roll.
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12-15-2018 , 12:54 AM
Aruba PLO Degen 6B Style

Sad to report we ran bad in the Aruba 2/5 NL game tonight, so we took the 6B Degen option and put our last $325 into the 5/5 PLO game. The game basically had 5 total Degen gamblers in it and every hand was straddled for between $10 - $20, so sitting down with just $325 was a dice throw to run it up or donk it off quickly.

It all happened in the first orbit where we flopped top set in a four-way $15 straddled pot with QQT6xssx on Q62xdd and lost all-in-on-the-flop versus AAT9xddx (he missed his flush, but hit his Ace).

Oh well, what will we do for the wife's shopping trip tomorrow?

Spoiler:
To tell the truth, I gave wifey $200 for shopping before I entered the game tonight, but promised her more if I won...
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12-15-2018 , 12:56 AM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
Thank you everyone who responded positively. I'm happy with my decision. It's not the end of the world if I bust now anyway.


It def isn’t. Just get a job and try again. Good job 6b!


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12-15-2018 , 01:35 AM
Lost $419 on crazy 1/3 NL table

Played a 4.5hr session of 1/3 NL this morning. I initially ran bad and was quickly in for $1300, but made a recovery towards the end and ultimately cashed out an $881 stack, leaving me only $419 down for the day. The table started off pretty bad, full of OMCs and nits, but then 2 people came who changed the environment completely:

The first was an Asian guy who had sadly been flaked by his Tinder date. He carried a bouquet of flowers with him to the casino and was clearly just in the mood to gamble and take out his anger and frustration at the poker table.

The second was a French guy who initially seemed pretty chill and carefree about money, but slowly grew progressively tilted as the session went on...

Initially, there was a pot where the French guy called a 3bet of $125 pre with 86s and flopped 2pr. The Asian guy berated the French guy's play and that's when it all started: from then on, they were enemies, and they would intentionally try to get into pots with each other for the next few hours, just to spite each other. It loosened up the game a lot. They were also talking trash to each other non-stop and things got pretty vulgar to say the least lol.

I'll show you 4 hands that I played, and then I'll show you 1 hand that happened between the 2 rivals:

Hand 1 - Flopping a set against a nitty OMC

$210 effective
Super nitty OMC raises $15 UTG
Hero calls $15 BTN with 88
French guy calls $15 SB

Flop ($44, 3ways) T84r

French guy checks
Super nitty OMC checks
Hero bets $25
French guy jams $175
Super nitty OMC calls $175
Hero rejams $195
Super nitty OMC asks how much more... then calls $195

Spoiler:
Super nitty OMC shows TT (top set) and scoops
This almost felt like a slowroll to me...


Hand 2 - Raising merged

$450 effective
MP limps $3
Asian guy raises $16 BTN
Hero 3bets $65 SB with AQo
Asian guy calls $65

Flop ($123) 842r

Hero bets $40
Asian guy raises to $250
Hero folds

Spoiler:
Asian guy flips over 86s
Not sure what he was trying to tell me here... did he flip over his cards to say "aha! I bluffed you off the best hand!" Or did he instead flip over his cards to say "good fold, I had it"? I honestly can't tell...


Hand 3 - Floating the flop

$350 effective
UTG raises $15
Asian guy calls $15 SB
Hero 3bets $75 BB with AQo
UTG folds
Asian guy calls $75

Flop ($150) K43r

Asian guy checks
Hero bets $50
Asian guy calls $50

Turn ($250) K43T

Asian guy checks
Hero jams $219
Asian guy calls $219

Spoiler:
Asian guy shows ATo and holds


Hand 4 - Miracle gutshot

$445 effective
Villain raises $11 BTN
Hero calls $11 BB with T9ss

Some context: villain and I are friends and we have a lot of history with each other. I see him as a fairly straightforward nitty TAG, whereas he sees me as a super aggro LAGtard.

Flop ($21) Qc 8s 4s

Hero checks
Villain bets $10
Hero raises to $40
Villain calls $40

Turn ($93) Qc 8s 4s Jh

Hero bets $75
Villain calls $75

River ($238) Qc 8s 4s Jh 2d

Hero jams $319

Spoiler:
Villain calls $319
Villain has KQo (no spade)
We scoop an almost $900 pot with the nut straight.


Now this last one was played between the 2 rivals: the French guy and the Asian guy:

Hand 5 - Observing a crazy hand

$820 effective
French guy raises $15 UTG+1
Asian guy 3bets $80 BB
French guy calls $80

Flop ($150) KT2r

Asian guy checks
French guy bets $125
Asian guy jams $740 effective
French guy snap calls $740

Spoiler:
French guy has KTo
Asian guy has JJ
French guy ends up scooping a 1.6k pot

The funniest part was how the French guy rubbed it in so hard afterwards... even when he was counting his chips, he would loudly announce "six hundred and forty... six hundred and fifty... six hundred and sixty", etc. And he'd say stuff like "look, the stupid French guy just won all your chips!" It was hilarious to watch.


So I've now played 43.5 hours this week, which is probably the most I've played in a single week in Melbourne. I was going to aim for 50 hours, but today is my 2 year anniversary with my girlfriend, so I thought I would take some time off to buy her a gift and surprise her by showing up to see her at her work. I will aim for another 40+ hour week next week too.
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12-15-2018 , 02:02 AM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
today is my 2 year anniversary with my girlfriend, so I thought I would take some time off to make her a gift and surprise her by showing up to see her at her work.
FYP

You ain't no $20K loan balla no more. You gotta start thinking like a guy with 10BIs to his name.
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12-15-2018 , 03:32 AM
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Thank you everyone who responded positively.
Little life lesson for you op. Sometimes the best friends you'll ever have are the ones who get in your face and tell you to stop being a dick.
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12-15-2018 , 03:36 AM
2 year anniversaries are for married couples. Anniversary of what? Meeting her, first date, first time you had sex? Anniversary is short for wedding anniversary.
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12-15-2018 , 03:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Fatboy54
Little life lesson for you op. Sometimes the best friends you'll ever have are the ones who get in your face and tell you to stop being a dick.
Nah, a friend would let you know without getting in your face. At that point that person is making it about themselves and not really interested in helping and therefore not really a friend.
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12-15-2018 , 04:18 AM
Congrats on paying off the loan.

Being debt free is always good, regardless of the context.
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12-15-2018 , 04:21 AM
SR

bit knee jerk there buddy.

Kinda depends on the person does it not? Yes you are right if someone is a self-opinionated a/w by habit, but no, you are wrong if we just talking about two good buddies going about their friendship.

I'm a better person because in my lifetime a couple of quality human beings and close friends have let me have it with both barrels when it was needed.

But hey, it's no biggie /p
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12-15-2018 , 05:11 AM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
but today is my 2 year anniversary with my girlfriend, so I thought I would take some time off to buy her a gift and surprise her by showing up to see her at her work. I will aim for another 40+ hour week next week too.
What gift are you getting her? A $300 handbag, a $1k phone, something else equally expensive?
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12-15-2018 , 05:32 AM
I think 10% of your networth is a good number to spend on a gift for a 2year anniversary with your girlfriend.

Can you tell which of my posts are sarcastic? =P

How can you be so close to going broke again and thinking buying a gift and playing 50nl is a good idea. Pour every kangaroo dollar you have into playing live poker.

Last edited by SimpleRick; 12-15-2018 at 05:39 AM.
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12-15-2018 , 06:07 AM
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Originally Posted by SimpleRick
I think 10% of your networth is a good number to spend on a gift for a 2year anniversary with your girlfriend.

Can you tell which of my posts are sarcastic? =P

How can you be so close to going broke again and thinking buying a gift and playing 50nl is a good idea. Pour every kangaroo dollar you have into playing live poker.
Well obviously he shouldn't be buying any gift with his 4k net worth (which is closer to 3k since his last session). But he doesn't listen to advice telling him not to spend so much. So I may as well ask what he's buying.

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Originally Posted by .isolated
While it doesn't seem like 6 really ever wanted to put in any effort toward poker, I doubt he wants a job, either.

6, are you thinking of doing anything other than poker atm? Going back to your premise of turning pro because you don't want a **** job/boss, it seems like nothing has changed on that front.
Realistically, what are his job prospects? He's a university dropout with no skills and no experience other than delivering pizzas. He's already said he's quite quiet and shy in real life, so he's probably not suited to call center work, sales work or any customer facing job.

That leaves him with jobs like pizza delivering, warehouse work, factory work, picking fruit in fields or similar slave labor jobs. Or he can really apply himself to learning a skill or trade (eg. programming) and might get up to a good enough level in 1-2 years to apply for entry level jobs - but we've already seen how lazy OP is, so I can't see him ever doing this.
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12-15-2018 , 06:51 AM
We all know where this thread is going for 6B, chained up in DLuo's basement. No more loans equals play on stake and be my prison *****. No job in sight for OP. Good luck OP, sunrun your way to freedom like Jesse Pinkman!

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12-15-2018 , 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Acceptance
Congrats on paying off the loan.

Being debt free is always good, regardless of the context.
Worst financial advice in history
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12-15-2018 , 08:45 AM
Although I think the loan was quite outrageous and am probably in the camp of paying it off ASAP being the highest EV, I do agree with Kelvis.


I have enough $ right now to be debt free, but the interest rates I'm paying are <5% so there's more incentive to invest.
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12-15-2018 , 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Brokenstars
I have enough $ right now to be debt free, but the interest rates I'm paying are <5% so there's more incentive to invest.
That’s how they get you
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12-15-2018 , 12:36 PM
Paying off the debt was the smartest thing he could have done. I dont know how anyone could think otherwise.
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12-15-2018 , 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Bluegrassplayer
Paying off the debt was the smartest thing he could have done. I dont know how anyone could think otherwise.
Because now he's not rolled for the games he's been playing. It would be unreasonable for you to expect that he would move down in level simply because he has $4k to his name .

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12-15-2018 , 12:46 PM
Do you think his wr is such that he should be a full time pro?
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12-15-2018 , 12:48 PM
OP only has a chance of matching his outrageous spending by playing 2/5. Moving down to 1/3 has him bleeding money slowly and if he plays online then he outspends himself within two months.

Paying back the loan was dumb, as was taking the $20k loan in the first place when a lower amount or a line of credit would have lowered his debt burden and given him a good chance to build up his own bankroll.

But I think OP may have found out that playing poker for a living feels like working and he's just riding the heater until the music stops.
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12-15-2018 , 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Bluegrassplayer
Do you think his wr is such that he should be a full time pro?
I understand that you want him to quit poker and do something with his life. I'd probably recommend he quit poker and go back to school. In reality though, if he fails at poker he'll probably end up working the counter at KFC.

OP has, to this point, been pretty set on being a poker pro. Despite all his shortcomings he could still right the ship and succeed at poker. However, being underrolled severely lowers the chance of that happening.


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12-15-2018 , 01:28 PM
It's not even about what I think he should do. I just think that from what hes shown it is inevitable that he blows through whatever roll he has, therefore 0 dollars is better than negative dollars with interest.
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