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11-07-2018 , 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Rapidesh123
Just pokerstove would be great for OP's game lol.
Man, I remember when pokerstove was this revolutionary tool that the elite used to improve their game.

Crazy how far we've come.
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11-07-2018 , 12:50 PM
If that post was a troll then bravo, that is the quality of acting which led to heath ledger's demise. I don't think someone could fake that.
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11-07-2018 , 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
Why is everyone here obsessed with flopzilla, equilab and pokersnowie?

Like come on... this is 2018. These programs are obsolete now that we have PioSolver.
So I was right. You have 0 experience in constructing ranges, correct?
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11-07-2018 , 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
Why is everyone here obsessed with flopzilla, equilab and pokersnowie?

Like come on... this is 2018. These programs are obsolete now that we have PioSolver.
Lol piosolver in 2018? I use 6betmeGTO
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11-07-2018 , 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
Why is everyone here obsessed with flopzilla, equilab and pokersnowie?

Like come on... this is 2018. These programs are obsolete now that we have PioSolver.
Have you actually ever used them? If so you probably didn't use it properly.

People use those programs to build a solid foundation, they then use other stuff like PIO to build on that foundation.

You also probably have no idea how to implement PIO into your game.
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11-07-2018 , 01:53 PM
lol why is everybody so emotionally attached to this thread and trying to prove their point.
Let the man do his thing, you tried, he did not listen, so be it.

He is the exact player you would like to have in your game
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11-07-2018 , 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by DuumaPomm

He is the exact player you would like to have in your game
+1000003
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11-07-2018 , 02:10 PM
6,

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Originally Posted by 6bet me
I can answer question 2: I expected him to jam pretty much ATC on the flop, so I was looking for favourable flops to stack off on. Any pair or gutshot and I was basically going to go with it.

But I can't answer questions 1 or 3 because no one ever thinks this way on earlier streets.

Like if someone Cbets the flop, are you going to try to look at their entire range of possible hands and try to calculate your overall equity against their range, or are you instead just going to keep things simple and make quick decisions like "alright I'll call this Cbet with any pair, any strong Ace high and any half decent draw"?

Ranges are so wide on earlier streets that I simply can't give you good answers to these questions. Like I don't know the exact frequency that he spazz 4bets a hand like J7s. I know that it's above 0% and probably less than 20%, but I don't know the exact frequency.

I felt like there might be enough spazzes in villain's range to justify calling pre and gii on favourable flops, but I was playing by intuition. There's no realistic way I can ever do any kind of calculations on the spot regarding this.

That’s what I figured.

One reason you can’t do those things is because you’ve never really studied and worked on your game. If you did, you’d have a much better ability to ballpark ranges and percentages in the moment.

If you expect him to jam ATC on the flop, then what range makes it a good call pre-flop but a fold on that flop? You seem to have little idea about how equities run range v range, which is key in making these kinds of decisions.

Of course you’re not going to calculate them from scratch on the spot. That’s why you study and build up a strong decision-making framework in advance. And since you don’t have that, you’d be so much better off just following some of the generalized low-limit rules of thumb people have posted that you scoff at as too basic for a wannabe-crusher like yourself.
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11-07-2018 , 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
But I can't answer questions 1 or 3 because no one ever thinks this way on earlier streets.
Huh? You can't put someone on a range after a 4bet? Just take out all the hands that ATs would be ahead of and leave in hands that are dominating you. That's the range.

-$40 EV on that preflop call??? LOL!!!! That was so much spew dude.
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11-07-2018 , 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by SimpleRick
Huh? You can't put someone on a range after a 4bet? Just take out all the hands that ATs would be ahead of and leave in hands that are dominating you. That's the range.

-$40 EV on that preflop call??? LOL!!!! That was so much spew dude.
But the dude had a beer next to him!
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11-07-2018 , 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Lordkjun
But the dude had a beer next to him!
Oh nvm. His range is ATC. Literally 72os just as likely as AA.
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11-07-2018 , 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by DuumaPomm
lol why is everybody so emotionally attached to this thread and trying to prove their point.
Let the man do his thing, you tried, he did not listen, so be it.

He is the exact player you would like to have in your game
Very true. If I played him, I'd always have a beer next to me and snap-raise him with any value hand.
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11-07-2018 , 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
Why is everyone here obsessed with flopzilla, equilab and pokersnowie?

Like come on... this is 2018. These programs are obsolete now that we have PioSolver.
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11-07-2018 , 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
I can answer question 2: I expected him to jam pretty much ATC on the flop, so I was looking for favourable flops to stack off on. Any pair or gutshot and I was basically going to go with it.

But I can't answer questions 1 or 3 because no one ever thinks this way on earlier streets.

Like if someone Cbets the flop, are you going to try to look at their entire range of possible hands and try to calculate your overall equity against their range, or are you instead just going to keep things simple and make quick decisions like "alright I'll call this Cbet with any pair, any strong Ace high and any half decent draw"?

Ranges are so wide on earlier streets that I simply can't give you good answers to these questions. Like I don't know the exact frequency that he spazz 4bets a hand like J7s. I know that it's above 0% and probably less than 20%, but I don't know the exact frequency.

I felt like there might be enough spazzes in villain's range to justify calling pre and gii on favourable flops, but I was playing by intuition. There's no realistic way I can ever do any kind of calculations on the spot regarding this.
As El D notes, this is literally recreational level knowledge of the game. I laughed at this post. Actually laughed, in real life. Any of my friends that are crushing would either do the same or just shake their head.

Most crushers are very aware of villains ranges, then they see the board texture, bet size and narrow it down further and can do a calculation based on such in their head. If you actually want to crush, you should be able to do this by now. You're almost a year into having a PGC thread with no job or other source of income.

Quick tip though: If ranges are *so wide* on earlier streets, why do you keep inflating the pot with mediocre hands so the SPR is ~1 and you are playing against a wider range that you can't deduce very well?
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11-07-2018 , 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
Quick tip though: If ranges are *so wide* on earlier streets, why do you keep inflating the pot with mediocre hands so the SPR is ~1 and you are playing against a wider range that you can't deduce very well?
Wait till OP finds out that if the 4bet range is wide enough to warrant a call, he is a favorite on that flop if he believes 100% shoves and yet he folded.
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11-07-2018 , 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Kelvis
Wait till OP finds out that if the 4bet range is wide enough to warrant a call, he is a favorite on that flop if he believes 100% shoves and yet he folded.
Oh for sure. 6b said he was going to call on "any pair or gutshot." I'm going to assume he's calling on all flush draw flops as well, obviously. If you add in some blank textures like 3 cards 9 or under (I don't think he's folding two overcards), he's roughly calling the shove on nearly 50% of flops! I think the kind of flops he's folding are probably really bad tbh as he's pretty much only folding K and Q high dry flops it seems, which takes it way beyond 50% so you might as well see all 5 anyway.
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11-07-2018 , 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
Oh for sure. 6b said he was going to call on "any pair or gutshot." I'm going to assume he's calling on all flush draw flops as well, obviously. If you add in some blank textures like 3 cards 9 or under (I don't think he's folding two overcards), he's roughly calling the shove on nearly 50% of flops! I think the kind of flops he's folding are probably really bad tbh as he's pretty much only folding K and Q high dry flops it seems, which takes it way beyond 50% so you might as well see all 5 anyway.
You're not using flopzilla are you? This is 2018 we're living in.
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11-07-2018 , 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by wj294
FYP.

Everyone makes mistakes, you've just gotta analyse and try to learn from them.

This tweet from Doug Polk seems pretty apt here imo (can't embed, not sure why)

https://twitter.com/DougPolkPoker/st...17672103178241
Nice reference One can almost believe that Doug was advising 6bet directly In case you only read it once or twice, 6bet, here is Polk's quote tweet again, so you can read 5-10 times and let the words sink-in :

"One of the biggest differences between small stakes players and successful ones, is accepting responsibility for mistakes. Players stuck in small games always have a reason why they're right, players that make it to the top are always looking for a reason why they might be wrong."
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11-07-2018 , 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
It would mainly be for online 6max games.
This seems counter-productive to me. Aren't the live games you play in far more profitable than the online games you play? Shouldn't your focus be on improving as a live player rather than improving as an online player? Playing online poker is useful in improving one's game but I don't see how you can play online at all if you aren't even putting in 40+ hrs/week at the casino....especially when you have a $20k loan over your head.
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11-07-2018 , 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Kelvis
You're not using flopzilla are you? This is 2018 we're living in.
After a really, really bad 3 months of online PLO to start the year I'm currently using a laptop with zero poker software! Don't ask why!
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11-07-2018 , 03:55 PM
Flopzilla is awesome. Really changed the way I thought about texture. Also goat poker mascot.
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11-07-2018 , 04:15 PM
lol talking about using PIO for trying to beat 2/5 stations and saying that equilab and snowie are obsolete. OP, get a snowie subscription, and play 1k hands against snowie, your game will improve 10 fold. Doing 100 dollars for the intermediate subscription with your loan would probably be the best use of the money so far, equilab is also only $5 monthly recurring. Both will help you with your preflop money torching, if you actually study ranges by position. PIO is useless and counter productive for you to use, don't even touch it until you are winning soundly over a large sample at stakes where it is not relevant. That means probably years.
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11-07-2018 , 04:21 PM
AT hand is troll. No way it happened. No way 6B would retell it here if it did.

None of this is real, any more.

When was the last sighting of 6B irl?

Did not someone narrowly miss him repeatedly when he was supposedly playing at the Crown?
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11-07-2018 , 05:15 PM
Just spent the last 3 hours catching up on this thread.

My. Word.

That AThh hand hurts. A lot.


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11-07-2018 , 05:33 PM
No 2/5 session yesterday?
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