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Destroying 500NL Zoom, minichallenge Destroying 500NL Zoom, minichallenge

09-27-2012 , 12:57 PM
himym kinda lost it, havent watched past season 5

Volume is so low because a number of reasons: lazyness when I run good, 'tiltprevention' when I run bad, and also because my W2 is pretty low apparently



fwiw ran bad yesterday and weird today
set up after set up after set up but somehow not really running bad

Spoiler:

Thats TT vs AA, Ako vs AA, JJ vs QQ, AA vs set, combodraw vs tptk, suck out everytime lol and held up QQ vs AQs and AQs vs KQo
Feeling pretty invincible now
09-27-2012 , 01:13 PM
Subscribed, GL in your challenge. Luckbox
09-27-2012 , 01:33 PM
Good stuff!
10-01-2012 , 08:16 PM
Thx!

Back in the days your "Moving Up Through uNL in 2010" helped me a lot.


Volume deteriorated some more, and didnt played a single hand in the weekend.
Catched up a little today, playing bad, but godmoding pretty hard (2x AA vs KK, AA vs AKo, KK vs QQ and a big KK vs JJ BvB while I cant remember pre setups that didnt went my way) Ended up obv but felt like I was wasting my rungood



7.20 EV bb/100 over 41k hands now
8.21 bb/100


Random fish abuse:

    Poker Stars, $2.50/$5 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

    BTN: $700.48 (140.1 bb)
    SB: $500 (100 bb)
    Hero (BB): $500 (100 bb)
    UTG: $1,201.69 (240.3 bb)
    MP: $505 (101 bb)
    CO: $1,153.67 (230.7 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with T T
    3 folds, BTN raises to $17.50, SB folds, Hero raises to $55, BTN calls $37.50

    Flop: ($112.50) 6 4 2 (2 players)
    Hero bets $58, BTN calls $58

    Turn: ($228.50) A (2 players)
    Hero checks, BTN bets $115, Hero calls $115

    River: ($458.50) Q (2 players)
    Hero checks, BTN bets $472.48 and is all-in, Hero calls $272 and is all-in

    Spoiler:
    Results: $1,002.50 pot ($2.80 rake)
    Final Board: 6 4 2 A Q
    BTN showed 5 6 and lost (-$500 net)
    Hero showed T T and won $999.70 ($499.70 net)
    10-02-2012 , 06:23 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by LorenzoVMatterhorn
      Poker Stars, $2.50/$5 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      BTN: $700.48 (140.1 bb)
      SB: $500 (100 bb)
      Hero (BB): $500 (100 bb)
      UTG: $1,201.69 (240.3 bb)
      MP: $505 (101 bb)
      CO: $1,153.67 (230.7 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BB with T T
      3 folds, BTN raises to $17.50, SB folds, Hero raises to $55, BTN calls $37.50

      Flop: ($112.50) 6 4 2 (2 players)
      Hero bets $58, BTN calls $58

      Turn: ($228.50) A (2 players)
      Hero checks, BTN bets $115, Hero calls $115

      River: ($458.50) Q (2 players)
      Hero checks, BTN bets $472.48 and is all-in, Hero calls $272 and is all-in

      Spoiler:
      Results: $1,002.50 pot ($2.80 rake)
      Final Board: 6 4 2 A Q
      BTN showed 5 6 and lost (-$500 net)
      Hero showed T T and won $999.70 ($499.70 net)
      NH - did you not think the fishes flop calling range contained a fair bit of Ax floats? Would he not also play A4 and A2 like this aswel? Or did you just think his range had so much pair+ weak draw (or just gutshots and stuff) that your line is still +EV?

      Hope you don't mind answering strat questions ITT.
      10-02-2012 , 08:26 PM
      124 VPP /table, hour (so 2000 hrs 4 tabling 500NL is SNE)
      16/12 would result in something like 85-90 VPP /table, hour

      On the TT hand, I stoved it now and it was closer then I thought. But assuming he continues like 80% of his range on the flop, turns every 6x or worse into bluff and doesnt shove river with Qx still ok. (turncall borderline, rivercall good)


      edit: and sets are overrated!
      note time difference between first two, that was quite tilting

      Last edited by LorenzoVMatterhorn; 10-02-2012 at 08:46 PM.
      10-02-2012 , 11:12 PM
      How do you maintain your red-line over 0$ mark? You think it's just the ability to hand read well, bluff catch well and bluff in good spots? If yes, what are the good spots you like to bluff?

      Just curious about your opinion on redline.
      And you said uNL series helped you a lot in 2010. You moved up that high in such a short period of time? :O
      10-03-2012 , 01:37 AM
      New favorite thread.
      10-03-2012 , 12:16 PM
      Positive redline? Hmm by 5b bluffing T4s!

        Poker Stars, $2.50/$5 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

        BTN: $542.20 (108.4 bb)
        SB: $2,204.38 (440.9 bb)
        Hero (BB): $500 (100 bb)
        UTG: $634.10 (126.8 bb)
        MP: $507.50 (101.5 bb)
        CO: $424.70 (84.9 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is BB with T 4
        3 folds, BTN raises to $10, SB folds, Hero raises to $40, BTN raises to $90, Hero raises to $500 and is all-in, BTN calls $410

        Flop: ($1,002.50) K J 2 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
        Turn: ($1,002.50) T (2 players, 1 is all-in)
        River: ($1,002.50) 9 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

        Spoiler:
        Results: $1,002.50 pot ($2.80 rake)
        Final Board: K J 2 T 9
        BTN showed Q Q and won $999.70 ($499.70 net)
        Hero showed T 4 and lost (-$500 net)


        lol obv terrible as general gameplan, but when I did that, I believed it was +EV in that vacuum vs that particular opponent.

        fwiw the results of my 5b bluffs with 'bad' hands (so not including 55+, ATs+, KJs+, QJs+, AQo+) are still v good, winning 1 EV bb/hand while folding to the 4b is usually something like -9bb/h
        samplesize is obv too small but still I think on average I make money with that sort of moves.



        And obv catching some ******ed bluffs here and there.

          Poker Stars, $2.50/$5 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
          Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

          BTN: $500 (100 bb)
          SB: $2,403.27 (480.7 bb)
          BB: $546.90 (109.4 bb)
          UTG: $500 (100 bb)
          MP: $657.65 (131.5 bb)
          Hero (CO): $745.83 (149.2 bb)

          Preflop: Hero is CO with A 2
          2 folds, Hero raises to $13.05, BTN calls $13.05, 2 folds

          Flop: ($33.60) A 3 8 (2 players)
          Hero checks, BTN checks

          Turn: ($33.60) 6 (2 players)
          Hero bets $23.10, BTN calls $23.10

          River: ($79.80) K (2 players)
          Hero bets $55.44, BTN raises to $175, Hero calls $119.56

          Spoiler:
          Results: $429.80 pot ($2.80 rake)
          Final Board: A 3 8 6 K
          BTN showed T T and lost (-$211.15 net)
          Hero showed A 2 and won $427 ($215.85 net)

          No seriously I think my redline is positive atm because I'm a bit of station and because of all the nits at 500NL. f.e. Exbi (one of the biggest nits on the limit) is one of my biggest donators over this challenge eventhough he stacked me once and I never stacked him. And pretty much all my winning vs that sort of guys are non SD.
          fwiw I rarely overbet, dont valuebet particularly thin and play an uberstandard 23/19 game.

          Obv the best spots to bluff are where people don't expect you to bluff, spots where you have decent equity when called, and spots where your range owns villains range (esp when villain is capped)

          I started playing 25NL 6max end of June 2010, wouldnt call almost 2.5 year that short wasted a lot of time with running 70bi under EV when I was just starting out, and bad brm and tilt though
          10-03-2012 , 01:30 PM
          its crazy how people back then said u were some ******ed waste of a life troll

          Now they're eating no name brand of cereals and you've got unicorn steaks
          10-03-2012 , 03:32 PM
          everyone's so spewy at NL500 Zoom...
          10-04-2012 , 02:29 PM
          Ding ding ding 50k hands, halfway.

          Running good overall obv, flipping very good and flopping many sets in 3b pots, running bad set vs set and in 4b pots though.

          Feel like playing A- game most of the time, def could have done better, tilted a bit but not too much. Volume getting better!

          Getting bigger samples on some bad regs and feel like these guys are gonna suffer next 50k hands.

          If I just play a little better 6bb should be sustainable.





          The prettiest graph (last 44k hands of the challenge, 15bb/100):

          Spoiler:

          imo
          10-04-2012 , 02:52 PM
          Well played 0_O
          10-04-2012 , 03:07 PM
          aaaand subbed!
          10-04-2012 , 04:12 PM
          Lol, I played 25nl 6max in June 2010 as well, 50nl now Btw, happy I took ur advice, having fun with zoom
          10-04-2012 , 08:35 PM
          Pretty sick!

          Can you describe your learning process? How did you learn, what are the biggest mistakes you made so far in your poker career?
          10-04-2012 , 08:51 PM
          Would love to see some hands that weren't pure setups and/or didn't go allin preflop
          10-04-2012 , 09:58 PM
          Some pretty sick graphs there, well played.
          10-04-2012 , 10:20 PM
          Hmm learning proces: at the start I learned mostly from ebooks and 2+2 stickies/wells, strat posts from good posters (nosebleed regs, msnl regs with theoretical approach, avoid "it depends" posters) later on more analysis in HEM and stoving a lot, basic ev calcs in Excell (mostly preflop stuff), and occasionaly railing kanu/sauce/etc, and reading the highstakes rail thread, giev thread.
          And obv playing a lot.
          Cardrunners EV is on my todo list.

          Never really watched videos other then some free samples, always thought they were pretty bad, took some coaching once, 1.5 year ago, but that was def waste of money/time



          Unfortunately almost all posted hands will be standard lines by me vs regs butchering hands, or me exploiting fish, or very big hands. Don't wanna give away too much real useful information about my game.
          10-04-2012 , 10:24 PM
          Interesting guidelines.

          "2+2 stickies/wells"?

          Where are you from and how old are you if you don't mind?
          10-05-2012 , 02:23 AM
          sicko...
          10-06-2012 , 12:06 AM
          great stuff. where do u live?
          10-06-2012 , 03:56 AM
          glgl sicko, def subbed!
          10-06-2012 , 04:12 AM
          Quote:
          Originally Posted by ...|...
          unicorn steaks
          LOL, i have to use this expression in real life sometime. Excellent!
          Oh and GL op, some sick hands there.
          Keep up the good work!
          10-06-2012 , 05:20 PM
          Quote:
          Originally Posted by LorenzoVMatterhorn
          Hmm learning proces: at the start I learned mostly from ebooks and 2+2 stickies/wells, strat posts from good posters (nosebleed regs, msnl regs with theoretical approach, avoid "it depends" posters) later on more analysis in HEM and stoving a lot, basic ev calcs in Excell (mostly preflop stuff), and occasionaly railing kanu/sauce/etc, and reading the highstakes rail thread, giev thread.
          And obv playing a lot.
          Cardrunners EV is on my todo list.

          Never really watched videos other then some free samples, always thought they were pretty bad, took some coaching once, 1.5 year ago, but that was def waste of money/time



          Unfortunately almost all posted hands will be standard lines by me vs regs butchering hands, or me exploiting fish, or very big hands. Don't wanna give away too much real useful information about my game.
          Your implication here that coaching is a waste of time/money seems pretty stupid to me, if that's indeed what you meant.

          Some of the best regs get coaching, even HSNL players. One viewpoint many people haven't looked at is if you're a 25/50 player and you're friends with 5 or 10 25/50 players, you're CONSISTENTLY getting "coached". You are CONSISTENTLY discussing HHs with friends, which because of who you are and your ability, happen to be other AMAZING players.

          You're basically paying money to discuss hands with somebody who is better than you are. I think coaching in theory should work, as long as your coach is good at expressing his thoughts and making sure you understand them.

          I have only gotten coaching from bad players, however I plan to get coaching from proven SSNL players and once im in SSNL by proven MSNL and so forth.

          EDIT I should add to above that every single nosebleed player attributes a ton of their success to the people THEY TALKED POKER WITH. That should be proof in enough how important it is to talk to smart poker minds. And if you're bad at poker, you'll never get an "in" to talk to these people for free.

                
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