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01-21-2023 , 04:32 AM
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Originally Posted by NJPW
I don't see a green line in that image. I wonder why.
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Originally Posted by SchroedingersDonk
It's there but mostly out of the crop. If you embiggen the image you can see it tracks the red line up to the first vertical gridline then appears to drop off a cliff.
I've posted year graphs earlier like every year. The point was red line and talking about me playing passive on post flop. Not looking like very passive lines. Seems like if you go to post flop against Paisting after making passive move, you will lose that pot very high frequency.
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01-21-2023 , 04:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Paisting
Thanks man! We are now all time top 10 here. And that with many guys blocked. Thanks for all good writers here, we have many years and long ride still ahead.
I love this thread for the same reason that I love Ramsay's Kitchen Nightmares. It's entertaining to watch as a deluded fool asks for help then ignores or argues back against all the good advice and guidance they're given. The difference is that Gordon usually gets through to them in the end.
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01-21-2023 , 06:06 AM
Sorry OP, the way you play means you will always have a positive red line and lose overall. That's just maths.

GTO Wizard allows you to access preflop charts for free. From the look of the hands you posted, you should start rebuilding your game from there. There's no shame in going back to preflop. I regularly do that. There is no getting away from preflop leaks leading to big losses. There's a reason why Linus isn't calling 4bets with trash 6-handed or calling 3bets with pretty suited hands.

You would also benefit from distinguishing between EV and equity, the limitations of pot odds and implied odds and equity realisation. GTO Wizard did a recent YouTube video on this topic.

Finally, the mental game is always worth working on. Plenty of good books and free videos on that.
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01-21-2023 , 06:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Spud Gun
Sorry OP, the way you play means you will always have a positive red line and lose overall. That's just maths.

GTO Wizard allows you to access preflop charts for free. From the look of the hands you posted, you should start rebuilding your game from there. There's no shame in going back to preflop. I regularly do that. There is no getting away from preflop leaks leading to big losses. There's a reason why Linus isn't calling 4bets with trash 6-handed or calling 3bets with pretty suited hands.

You would also benefit from distinguishing between EV and equity, the limitations of pot odds and implied odds and equity realisation. GTO Wizard did a recent YouTube video on this topic.

Finally, the mental game is always worth working on. Plenty of good books and free videos on that.
It's impossible to lose redline when shoving every hand, and a lot of the time everyone folds pre so you gain redline consistently. Yet, Paisting's redline was barely winning in the graph he posted, and tracking sites show his redline as breakeven.

The only logical conclusion is that Paisting is the biggest weaktight nit on the site when he's not tilted, resulting in him having a plummeting redline any time he's not open shoving.
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01-21-2023 , 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Paisting
I've posted year graphs earlier like every year. The point was red line and talking about me playing passive on post flop. Not looking like very passive lines. Seems like if you go to post flop against Paisting after making passive move, you will lose that pot very high frequency.
Seems like the green line shows that if you go to post flop against Paisting you will make a lot of money.

I'm still not sure if you are trolling or do not understand red/green lines. I think it's the first one but not sure. I'm not the sucker who will try to explain it to you.
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01-21-2023 , 12:57 PM
Where did I get those numbers? Right from PT4. In my experience since Oct the biggest losers at 2nl like you play 80%+ of the hands and are either all-in pre-flop or all-in post-flop. I label you guys GREEN on Pokerstars. Green meaning go ahead print money. 40k or fold. MTT short stake ranges. You also have to mix some suited connectors in them calls....because well I need and like to make money off everyone at the table. If I play too tight I get no money from anyone else. So every once in awhile on the BB with suited connectors like 56, 78, 67 or 98 when I'm the only guy left to call I'll just throw it all-in and call for shits and giggles.

The downside at worst is I'm almost a coinflip against anything guys like you hold. On the bright side it's a great future investment. Guys will remember that hand, note it and pay me off down the road some where(if not that very session) thinking I don't have it when I do. Which I mostly always do have it. And even if GREEN does win that one hand as he should...he'll just give it all back and likely more before he leaves. They always seem too.



Cheers!!!
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01-21-2023 , 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by SchroedingersDonk
I love this thread for the same reason that I love Ramsay's Kitchen Nightmares. It's entertaining to watch as a deluded fool asks for help then ignores or argues back against all the good advice and guidance they're given. The difference is that Gordon usually gets through to them in the end.
You realize the show is half staged and they film it over the course of like a week? Don't ever believe reality tv reflects reality. 90+% of those restaurants fail a few months later
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01-22-2023 , 04:21 AM
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Originally Posted by ddn
It's impossible to lose redline when shoving every hand, and a lot of the time everyone folds pre so you gain redline consistently. Yet, Paisting's redline was barely winning in the graph he posted, and tracking sites show his redline as breakeven.

The only logical conclusion is that Paisting is the biggest weaktight nit on the site when he's not tilted, resulting in him having a plummeting redline any time he's not open shoving.
You see from those posted hands there is no all every hand. And when you will understand that there is zero tracking sites at the moment that tracks all the hands. That russian site you are putting money is pure hoax and straight way to fund their criminal acts against people in Ukraine. That site shows I was online last time month ago. I was online today, yesterday in fact every day.

That red line I posted is my red line for whole last year. Is that from nit player? I don't think so. It's from player who destroys passive nits most by bluffing and putting maximum pressure on when seeing weakness.
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01-22-2023 , 01:31 PM
Go show those nits who is the BOSS! Ignore green line... red one is the real line showing Your skill !!
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01-22-2023 , 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Paisting
You see from those posted hands there is no all every hand. And when you will understand that there is zero tracking sites at the moment that tracks all the hands. That russian site you are putting money is pure hoax and straight way to fund their criminal acts against people in Ukraine. That site shows I was online last time month ago. I was online today, yesterday in fact every day.

That red line I posted is my red line for whole last year. Is that from nit player? I don't think so. It's from player who destroys passive nits most by bluffing and putting maximum pressure on when seeing weakness.
Russian site isn't perfect, but it's pretty accurate overall. If it shows your redline as breakeven after 110k hands, then chances are your redline is breakeven / losing lifetime. Either way, I trust it more than the graphs you post. Russian site is unbiased and just shows results for the hands it tracked, whereas you could have easily applied filters to make your redline seem better than it is.



I'm sorry man, but you're a nitfish. If it weren't for you open shoving preflop all the time as shown below your redline would be tanking straight down.

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And to balance out your hand posting range again.

Pacific Poker - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 100 BB
MP: 620.5 BB
CO: 186.5 BB
Hero (BTN): 352 BB
SB: 360 BB
BB: 522 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A 3

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2 BB, fold, BB raises to 522 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 350 BB and is all-in

Flop: (704.5 BB, 2 players) 2 2 8

Turn: (704.5 BB, 2 players) J

River: (704.5 BB, 2 players) 5

Hero shows A 3 (One Pair, Twos)
(Pre 57%, Flop 73%, Turn 66%)
BB shows K 5 (Two Pair, Fives and Twos)
(Pre 43%, Flop 27%, Turn 34%)
BB wins 660.5 BB
Rake paid 44 BB

Pacific Poker - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (SB): 436.5 BB
BB: 1065.5 BB
UTG: 357 BB
MP: 881 BB
CO: 174.5 BB
BTN: 217 BB

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has T A

UTG raises to 357 BB and is all-in, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 436.5 BB and is all-in, fold

Flop: (715 BB, 2 players) K 3 9

Turn: (715 BB, 2 players) J

River: (715 BB, 2 players) 2

Hero shows T A (High Card, Ace)
(Pre 65%, Flop 28%, Turn 23%)
UTG shows 6 3 (One Pair, Threes)
(Pre 35%, Flop 72%, Turn 77%)
UTG wins 670.5 BB
Rake paid 44.5 BB

Pacific Poker - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 279 BB
UTG: 263 BB
MP: 456.5 BB
CO: 284.5 BB
BTN: 187.5 BB
Hero (SB): 331.5 BB

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 4 3

UTG raises to 263 BB and is all-in, fold, CO raises to 284.5 BB and is all-in, fold, fold, fold

Flop: (527.5 BB, 2 players) 8 J T

Turn: (527.5 BB, 2 players) 3

River: (527.5 BB, 2 players) 7

UTG shows 4 9 (Straight, Jack High)
(Pre 32%, Flop 43%, Turn 31%)
CO shows A 5 (High Card, Ace)
(Pre 68%, Flop 57%, Turn 69%)
UTG wins 495 BB
Rake paid 32.5 BB


Pacific Poker - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 741 BB
SB: 827.5 BB
BB: 2093.5 BB
Hero (UTG): 1599 BB
MP: 100 BB
CO: 689 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K A

Hero raises to 2 BB, MP raises to 100 BB and is all-in, CO raises to 689 BB and is all-in, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 687 BB

Flop: (1479.5 BB, 3 players) 5 7 J

Turn: (1479.5 BB, 3 players) 3

River: (1479.5 BB, 3 players) 9

Hero shows K A (High Card, Ace)

Main Pot [301.5 BB]: (Pre 29%, Flop 9%, Turn 5%)
Side Pot#1 [1178 BB]: (Pre 50%, Flop 50%, Turn 50%)

MP shows 5 6 (One Pair, Fives)

Main Pot [301.5 BB]: (Pre 43%, Flop 82%, Turn 90%)

CO shows K A (High Card, Ace)

Main Pot [301.5 BB]: (Pre 29%, Flop 9%, Turn 5%)
Side Pot#1 [1178 BB]: (Pre 50%, Flop 50%, Turn 50%)

MP wins 283 BB
Rake paid 92 BB
CO wins 552 BB
Hero wins 552.5 BB


Pacific Poker - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 765.5 BB
BB: 249 BB
Hero (UTG): 352.5 BB
MP: 100 BB
CO: 170 BB
BTN: 1315.5 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 3 3

fold, fold, CO raises to 170 BB and is all-in, fold, fold, BB calls 169 BB

Flop: (340.5 BB, 2 players) 9 6 2

Turn: (340.5 BB, 2 players) A

River: (340.5 BB, 2 players) 6

BB shows J K (One Pair, Sixes)
(Pre 68%, Flop 25%, Turn 14%)
CO shows 9 5 (Two Pair, Nines and Sixes)
(Pre 32%, Flop 75%, Turn 86%)
CO wins 319.5 BB
Rake paid 21 BB
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01-22-2023 , 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by ddn
Russian site isn't perfect, but it's pretty accurate overall.
If you keep telling lies and promoting that page that is 100% hoax you will be banned from this topic. Ive shown you graphs and everyone on those tables knows I play post flop super aggressive because everyone is playing passive and is easy to bluff. You repeat same lies all over again so you are soon banned if you don't stop.
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01-22-2023 , 04:33 PM
Can you say something about the proof posted multiple times of you shoving any two cards pre flop for very long stretches? Thats where you red line "success" is mostly coming from, and you not folding enough. If you wont talk about this and not acknowledge this you will stay stuck where you have been for a very long time.

I played like a super passive (as in literally never bluffing) face up nit vs you and it resulted in an absurd winrate. The strategy you claim to be crushing against is crushing you the hardest.
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01-23-2023 , 03:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Paisting
Ive shown you graphs and everyone on those tables knows I play post flop super aggressive because everyone is playing passive and is easy to bluff.
What are your Won When Saw Flop, Went to Showdown and Won Money at Showdown stats?
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01-23-2023 , 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Paisting
If you keep telling lies and promoting that page that is 100% hoax you will be banned from this topic. Ive shown you graphs and everyone on those tables knows I play post flop super aggressive because everyone is playing passive and is easy to bluff. You repeat same lies all over again so you are soon banned if you don't stop.
I think you misunderstood. I'm not affiliated with any sites, I've never given a penny to any of them, and I'm not trying to promote them. I'm just saying it's very unlikely that your redline is crushing if all those sites show your redline as breakeven / losing.

Could you go to PokerTracker and show your hands played last year but filter out all your all-in preflop hands where opponents fold?

You can do this by going to Filter -> Actions and Opportunities -> Preflop -> Voluntarily Put Money in Pot ON -> Preflop Bet Sizing -> Total Put in Pot ON -> BB Between 99 and 10000 -> 'NOT' Selected.



If you do this and post a graph with a decent redline I'll admit I was wrong and sincerely apologize

Last edited by ddn; 01-23-2023 at 08:31 AM.
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01-23-2023 , 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by ddn
You can do this by going to Filter -> Actions and Opportunities -> Preflop -> Voluntarily Put Money in Pot ON -> Preflop Bet Sizing -> Total Put in Pot ON -> BB Between 99 and 10000 -> 'NOT' Selected.

If you do this and post a graph with a decent redline I'll admit I was wrong and sincerely apologize


I think we have aggressive post flop specialist here who total punishes those nit whales. You're happy now? Limp call against me and I take pot, call me from position and I will make your life hard with massive overbets that literally destroys your position and call my reraises and I love to shove 50/50 bluffs and value. You can say what ever you want about total results, but on post flop I just run them over brutally. It's not even hard when they are playing literally cards open playing too tight ranges that can't take heat.
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01-23-2023 , 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Paisting
You can say what ever you want about total results, but on post flop I just run them over brutally.
If the goal of poker someday changes from making a profit to brutalization, you're going to make a killing.
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01-23-2023 , 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Paisting


I think we have aggressive post flop specialist here who total punishes those nit whales. You're happy now? Limp call against me and I take pot, call me from position and I will make your life hard with massive overbets that literally destroys your position and call my reraises and I love to shove 50/50 bluffs and value. You can say what ever you want about total results, but on post flop I just run them over brutally. It's not even hard when they are playing literally cards open playing too tight ranges that can't take heat.
You lose money to them, they're destroying you.
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01-23-2023 , 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Paisting


I think we have aggressive post flop specialist here who total punishes those nit whales. You're happy now? Limp call against me and I take pot, call me from position and I will make your life hard with massive overbets that literally destroys your position and call my reraises and I love to shove 50/50 bluffs and value. You can say what ever you want about total results, but on post flop I just run them over brutally. It's not even hard when they are playing literally cards open playing too tight ranges that can't take heat.
they won 1000 buy ins in showdown vs you, youre probaly the worst ever in postflop play.
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01-23-2023 , 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Paisting
I think we have aggressive post flop specialist here who total punishes those nit whales. You're happy now? Limp call against me and I take pot, call me from position and I will make your life hard with massive overbets that literally destroys your position and call my reraises and I love to shove 50/50 bluffs and value. You can say what ever you want about total results, but on post flop I just run them over brutally. It's not even hard when they are playing literally cards open playing too tight ranges that can't take heat.
Or you're taking down a few small pots and then repeatedly bluffing off stacks...
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01-24-2023 , 10:47 AM
Ok, I take back everything I said. You are the sickest redline crusher of all time at micro stakes.

Honestly I don't even care if it took you over $100k in losses lifetime to achieve it. Money is temporary whereas glory is eternal. Well played.
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01-24-2023 , 11:45 AM
Some play for profit, some to prove that profit is not so important. I hope more people will change their mind and stop perceive OP as biggest microstakes -160BB/100 whale. In reality he is decent postflop crusher just in very bad run.
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01-24-2023 , 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by ddn
Ok, I take back everything I said. You are the sickest redline crusher of all time at micro stakes.
Thanks man! Now you see those sites are tracking really poorly.

Many are struggling with red line and you see those questions everywhere. They are check folding too much against players who can’t take heat.
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01-24-2023 , 02:34 PM
Paisting, you have a remarkable ability to focus on the less important stuff. If you were a passenger on the Titanic, you'd be bragging about how easy it was to score a free bottle of champagne while everyone else was trying to get to the lifeboats.
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01-24-2023 , 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by ddn
I think you misunderstood. I'm not affiliated with any sites, I've never given a penny to any of them, and I'm not trying to promote them. I'm just saying it's very unlikely that your redline is crushing if all those sites show your redline as breakeven / losing.

Could you go to PokerTracker and show your hands played last year but filter out all your all-in preflop hands where opponents fold?

You can do this by going to Filter -> Actions and Opportunities -> Preflop -> Voluntarily Put Money in Pot ON -> Preflop Bet Sizing -> Total Put in Pot ON -> BB Between 99 and 10000 -> 'NOT' Selected.



If you do this and post a graph with a decent redline I'll admit I was wrong and sincerely apologize
Incredible bait, well done.
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01-26-2023 , 07:42 AM
Great job on that soaring redline Paisting! What's our action plan to getting our green line to do the same?
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