This is called card removal and it's a real thing in blind vs blind all in spots with short stacks in tourneys. AK can actually be ahead of pairs 22-99 because of this effect, depending on the number of seats that folded.

By "actually ahead" I mean if you assign a realistic opening range to each position, and fix the SB and BB hands at AK and some pair respectively and run a bunch of sims, AK wins over 50% of the time when the action is SB open shoves and BB calls.

Paisting, when did you start playing 25NL @ stars


$0.25 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 106.3 BB
Hero (UTG): 97 BB
UTG+1: 112 BB
MP: 88.9 BB
MP+1: 101.7 BB
CO: 136.2 BB
BTN: 70.5 BB
SB: 145.2 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 8 8

Hero raises to 2.3 BB, fold, MP raises to 7.6 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 5.3 BB

Flop: (16.7 BB, 2 players) 9 6 8
Hero checks, MP checks

Turn: (16.7 BB, 2 players) 6
Hero bets 12 BB, MP calls 12 BB

River: (40.7 BB, 2 players) T
Hero bets 77.4 BB and is all-in, MP calls 69.3 BB and is all-in

Hero shows 8 8 (Full House, Eights full of Sixes)
(Pre 55%, Flop 98%, Turn 100%)
MP shows K A (One Pair, Sixes)
(Pre 45%, Flop 2%, Turn 0%)
Hero wins 171.2 BB

This actually makes sense... who are you and what did you do to 6bet me?

6b wasting time with replies in a degenerates thread while logging 2 hours of volume, is totally a 6b thing

and his opponents cards are not blocked?? only his "pair outs"?? lolol

lol this theory. just lol.

project a little harder. you post like 20 times a day since u registered an acccount.

yep, lower cards are folded more often. his opponents' cards will be blocked less often. ask for help if you are having trouble understanding.

great contribution


the 6betme trolls are getting beyond pathetic. good post 6betme.

I make more money than 6b, own my own home, work abroad and can do what I want when I want. I'm also only 4 years older than 6b.

Project that

It's not just about outs being blocked. The stub is statistically richer in high cards.

not much to add, there were idiots 10 years ago too stating flush and straight draws are bad because someone probably folded suits and the str8 cards preflop. same idiotic idea.

No, it isn't. It's a totally different idea. You should probably understand what is being said before you arrogantly spew off and come off like a dunce.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/6...s-ama-1710496/

Lol, what's your point? My being a degenerate doesn't absolve you of being an obnoxious dumbass.

you probably lost 5000+ buyins playing online mtt-s because you misunderstood dead cards. or bad luck.

If you want to talk about why I lost 5000 buy-ins feel free to post in the thread you just linked, this isn't the thread for it. As for card removal, you might want to look up spadebidder's posts in the probability forum over 10 years ago where he ran sims for this. Or any number of other threads where it's mentioned. Or think about it. It's not a particularly difficult concept to grasp.

you understand how difficult is to deal 8 hole cards for the other 4 dudes to heavily block the ******s 43o and noone having some trash high card like K5o? there is no better indicator for real EV than the one in use, and standard in trackers.

It's still a proxy though. As I pointed out, in shortstack situations in bvb spots in tourneys for example, you'd rather have AK than a low pair. Another example is collusion in PLO - if 2 or more players on the table are making decisions based on shared hole card info, you will always seem to run under AIEV. It's the best proxy we have, sure, but it doesn't mean it's infallible, and your dismissive tone of the guy's post was unwarranted.

In a 9-handed game, if Paisting shoves 23o UTG and gets called by AK in the bb, you can be pretty sure that AK has much better true odds than tracker AIEV, since the remaining deck is statistically much richer in kings and aces than it is in 2s and 3s. Would need to run sims to quantify this effect, though.

he plays exclusively 6-handed or less, that's what i meant. close to zero effect if any on his EV-line with that setup.

The question wasn't whether trackers use the best indicator for real EV. You're obviously very lost and keep spamming this thread. You're getting thoroughly owned and obviously don't know what is going on based on your strange example about 43 and K5. You clearly aren't very clever, so I would recommend not even bothering to research this further, but I would recommend not posting in this thread anymore.

What trampled said.

one of the clever guys lose multiple 1000s of buyins in soft poker games, and the other clever guy behaves like this:



keep being clever, guys

Since you're doing all this research, you might want to look up my posts in the politics forum. I behave much, much, worse, and I am much more creative with my insults. After that you might want to re-evaluate whether you would like to continue with this little contretempts.

Didn't get 5,000+ buy-ins to lose by licking pussy, son.

you're a true internet warrior, that's for sure

Don't flatter yourself, only worthy opponents go on the tally. A little pissant like you would be but a warm-up before I go and play with the adults.

you just implied in your prev post you made 180k by sucking dick, that's more than enough for the readers.