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06-24-2021 , 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by DeadMoneyWalking
From where do you get your bet sizes again? Here you're saying a < half pot bet with a set on a wet.
ty for the q, sir.

I don’t understand it though..
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06-24-2021 , 09:47 PM
Hero thinks it over and calls. Took a while (couple minutes maybe). Normally, it would be a straightforward turn call v the raise but I had reason to believe this player type not folding spades vs turn 3b in our shoes given the info (unless I jam maybe.) also we’re incentivized to GII fi v has 2p before action killing rivers.

($550) River: A 8 7 J J Hero checks. V hesitate jams 1k. Says “all in” if it matters.

Genuine question. How often do you think this player type is ripping four figures (in this case 1k but broad question) on the river as a bluff?

I think this sizing really moves the needle given V will mostly continue under pot here otr I would think….

V can see that the board paired, do you guys think he’s going to be piling 10-9 1.8x pot

Wondering if you guys think that that clicking fold is ridiculous
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06-24-2021 , 09:56 PM
He doesn't have AA probably not JJ. One combo of J8s. So you're beat by AJ or 88. I'd expect he might squeeze with AJ some of the time. Folding is ridiculous. I'd expect this player type to be ripping four figures quite often on the river as a bluff which is why I stand by my previous statement of "close your eyes and click call".

If he's just doing this with hands that beat you and only like half of the counterfeited two pairs I think you're getting good odds to call. If you throw in busted draws and maybe he's overvaluing KJ,QJ it's a slam dunk call.
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06-24-2021 , 10:41 PM
Never folding river here vs described V. If he has one of the few combos that beat you so be it. I was out of the house for the turn discussion, but for me the decision on the turn is close between shoving and calling. It's not that much money and once I got the raise I hoped for on the turn and grinder folds I'd be very tempted to stick it in there. I assume you called his river shove?

The way you played it V has no reason to think you have a real hand right?

Last edited by jrr63; 06-24-2021 at 10:44 PM. Reason: left out last sentence.
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06-25-2021 , 04:39 AM
Ty, gentleman.

I guess there’s not too much value in answering any additional questions as the results will be in this post. I appreciate the detailed analysis though and I’m sure others do as well.

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Originally Posted by RoadtoPro
($550) River: A 8 7 J J Hero checks. V hesitate jams 1k. Says “all in” if it matters.
Hero reluctantly calls after thinking everything over for a bit. Luckily, V says “you’re good” and we fastroll.

V was to my direct left and flashed us the K as well as another x. Didn’t catch what it was, and since V seemed agitated that I didn’t snap with the boat I didn’t press for info. Wouldn’t be surprised if it was K 10

results don’t give us too much clarity on whether V is value betting worse w this 1.8x pot sizing ofc.

And nice to scoop the $2,500+ in a capped 5/5, but that’s largely irrelevant and doesn’t really influence my decision to post the hand up. More focused on if I made the correct decisions all around

ty all for playing
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06-25-2021 , 09:55 AM
400nl

OR is good reg.

V in this hand is the spot in this game. Doesn’t seem like a whale though, not giving away chips. Showed a big fold earlier vs reg. Pretty high VPIP, probably not 3-betting wider than your average rec villain either.

I expect V to be tight here pre after calling the 4b here OOP but there’s an element of spazz that has to be accounted for.

$715E

OTTH

Pre-flop: Good reg RFI LJ $12. V 3b HJ $60. Hero 4b CO $150 with A A. V calls after using a time bank.

Flop ($320): 7 6 3. V checks. Hero bets $255. V calls.

Turn ($825): 7 6 3 4. V checks. Hero jams $310E. V calls.

Thoughts on this line/sizings v this player type? Too creative? I wouldn’t use this sizing scheme vs reg.
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06-25-2021 , 06:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RoadtoPro
($550) River: A 8 7 J J Hero checks. V hesitate jams 1k. Says “all in” if it matters.
Slipped my mind when I posted, but in game I was thinking this V likely has J8o, maybe J7o as well so we lose to J7o, J7s, J8o, J8s, 88, AJo, AJs and may/may not beat value.

Plus it was 1.8x pot/200bb river bet which is big for the game in general (obv this hand straddle was on (so technically 100bb) but V probably not thinking about it that way)

Needing to be good 40%~ of the time also quite a bit, but hey, feels good to be rewarded for being a station
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06-25-2021 , 07:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RoadtoPro
400nl

OR is good reg.

V in this hand is the spot in this game. Doesn’t seem like a whale though, not giving away chips. Showed a big fold earlier vs reg. Pretty high VPIP, probably not 3-betting wider than your average rec villain either.

I expect V to be tight here pre after calling the 4b here OOP but there’s an element of spazz that has to be accounted for.

$715E

OTTH

Pre-flop: Good reg RFI LJ $12. V 3b HJ $60. Hero 4b CO $150 with A A. V calls after using a time bank.

Flop ($320): 7 6 3. V checks. Hero bets $255. V calls.

Turn ($825): 7 6 3 4. V checks. Hero jams $310E. V calls.

Thoughts on this line/sizings v this player type? Too creative? I wouldn’t use this sizing scheme vs reg.
V tank calls it off w black jacks. Hero holds and scoops
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06-25-2021 , 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by RoadtoPro
V tank calls it off w black jacks. Hero holds and scoops
Seems totally fine, maybe smaller otf so flop and turn sizings are similar?
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06-25-2021 , 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by RoadtoPro
Slipped my mind when I posted, but in game I was thinking this V likely has J8o, maybe J7o as well so we lose to J7o, J7s, J8o, J8s, 88, AJo, AJs and may/may not beat value.

Plus it was 1.8x pot/200bb river bet which is big for the game in general (obv this hand straddle was on (so technically 100bb) but V probably not thinking about it that way)

Needing to be good 40%~ of the time also quite a bit, but hey, feels good to be rewarded for being a station
V as described is almost never thinking about bb at risk - just thinking you don't have much and he can blow you off of it. If you had not called I would have probably had to unsubscribe
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06-25-2021 , 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by RoadtoPro
Ty, gentleman.

I guess there’s not too much value in answering any additional questions as the results will be in this post. I appreciate the detailed analysis though and I’m sure others do as well.



Hero reluctantly calls after thinking everything over for a bit. Luckily, V says “you’re good” and we fastroll.

V was to my direct left and flashed us the K as well as another x. Didn’t catch what it was, and since V seemed agitated that I didn’t snap with the boat I didn’t press for info. Wouldn’t be surprised if it was K 10

results don’t give us too much clarity on whether V is value betting worse w this 1.8x pot sizing ofc.

And nice to scoop the $2,500+ in a capped 5/5, but that’s largely irrelevant and doesn’t really influence my decision to post the hand up. More focused on if I made the correct decisions all around

ty all for playing
But it was straddled so it should go into your no-post black box.
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06-26-2021 , 02:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Thommehh
Seems totally fine, maybe smaller otf so flop and turn sizings are similar?
ty for the feedback!

I wanted to size to where I can get it in on 100% of turns back this V, even if it’s a diamond for example.

could be too creative

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Originally Posted by jrr63
V as described is almost never thinking about bb at risk - just thinking you don't have much and he can blow you off of it. If you had not called I would have probably had to unsubscribe
I appreciate your thoughts lately, enjoy reading them sir



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Originally Posted by DeadMoneyWalking
But it was straddled so it should go into your no-post black box.
Respectfully, I still don’t think you got the hints sir.

Spoiler:
Less to do with the blinds and more to do with the size, savviness of the player pool for 5/10+
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06-26-2021 , 04:27 AM
200nl

OR is a good reg. Main V is likely a weaker player.

$195E

OTTH

Pre-flop: V RFI $5 LJ. V calls CO. Hero 3b $22 btn with J J. OR folds. Main V calls.

Flop ($52): 10 5 4. V checks. Hero bets $42. V calls.

Turn ($136): 10 5 4 Q. V checks. Hero jams $130E.

Thoughts? Given the 80% flop bet, V likely doesn’t continue with much Qx. This player type may see it as a scare card, however. not as much as Ax or Kx though I’d imagine
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06-26-2021 , 05:05 AM
perfect
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06-26-2021 , 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by RoadtoPro
Slipped my mind when I posted, but in game I was thinking this V likely has J8o, maybe J7o as well so we lose to J7o, J7s, J8o, J8s, 88, AJo, AJs and may/may not beat value.

Plus it was 1.8x pot/200bb river bet which is big for the game in general (obv this hand straddle was on (so technically 100bb) but V probably not thinking about it that way)

Needing to be good 40%~ of the time also quite a bit, but hey, feels good to be rewarded for being a station
All those hands you listed is why I think probing small is a fairly large mistake in a live setting tbh, especially since I think we are never block/3b.

When you probe this small and get raised, he can still jam all straight combos on the river. So normally if you can ever beat a value hand just never fold
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06-26-2021 , 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by RoadtoPro
ty for the feedback!

I wanted to size to where I can get it in on 100% of turns back this V, even if it’s a diamond for example.

could be too creative



I appreciate your thoughts lately, enjoy reading them sir





Respectfully, I still don’t think you got the hints sir.

Spoiler:
Less to do with the blinds and more to do with the size, savviness of the player pool for 5/10+
I get it fine, I just think it's consistently inconsistent. You can't have a poker based blog/social media and keep your thought processes covert.
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06-26-2021 , 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by SimpleRick
perfect



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Originally Posted by bbissick
All those hands you listed is why I think probing small is a fairly large mistake in a live setting tbh, especially since I think we are never block/3b.

When you probe this small and get raised, he can still jam all straight combos on the river. So normally if you can ever beat a value hand just never fold
makes sense, ty for the feedback!

Assuming you have this hand as a clear call in this spot, what’s the worst hand you think you’re calling/mixing AP with all the given info?


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Originally Posted by DeadMoneyWalking
I get it fine, I just think it's consistently inconsistent. You can't have a poker based blog/social media and keep your thought processes covert.
Ty for sharing! I’ve read countless PGC’s and other threads (DGAF’s comes to mind) and almost universally posting 5/10+ highly correlates to a reduction in longevity of the thread in one way or another.

Don’t want that to happen here. This will be around for a while. It’s good for the thread that I don’t. Not particularly close

When I travel, happy to post some higher steaks if it works out.
———

At staples for clippers/suns game 4 tonight. Tipoff 6 pm pt on espn.

if it’s a tight game, may some some live posting

should be a fun one

any nba fans want to share a random prediction?

I’ll take a swing..

Spoiler:
Clippers 110- Suns 108
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06-26-2021 , 10:47 PM
Suns up 63-58 w 3:30 left in the 3rd Q. Suns ball.

Chipping away lfg!
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06-26-2021 , 11:15 PM
71-70 w 6:35 left in the 4th. tight one
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06-27-2021 , 12:27 AM


tough L. several blown calls by the refs when it mattered most, clips deserved to lose though. congrats to the suns, well deserved. still a chance
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was fun

going to hit up the casino for a 6-12 hour live session when I get home
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06-27-2021 , 02:07 AM
400nl

V is a very good reg. Definitely has bluffs here, not sure what V is weighted towards compared to optimal.

I’m probably perceived as a bad reg to V. Not sure if there’s any meta that would impact my decision making in this hand so no need to write a novel.

$900E

OTTH

Pre-flop: Player posts EP. Hero open BTN $16 with A Q. V calls BB.

Flop ($34): Q 10 3. V checks. Hero bets $17. V x/r $51. Hero calls.

Turn ($136): Q 10 3 9. V bets $102. Hero calls.

River ($340): Q 10 3 9 3. V hesitates and then bets $500

Hero?

9 turn not great for us otherwise probably snapping this 3 river.

It was pretty tricky bc of the poor turn + great river combo for us. V is aware of all of that of course and forces us to make a tough decision

I had seen V take a similar line/sizings and show up with a bluff, but that’s implied and expected as well from this V so I’m not sure how relevant that is in and of itself for this spot

Also wondering if anyone is clicking fold ott on this card vs that sizing

Last edited by RoadtoPro; 06-27-2021 at 02:37 AM. Reason: effective stack was wrong
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06-27-2021 , 05:16 PM
I arrived at globogym when there was 2:00 left. Exited the sauna at :30. I did a full warm up and stretch routine before the game was over.

commercial
inbound pass
foul
free throws
commercial
inbound pass
foul
free throws
rinse wash repeat

what other sport ends the match by forcing a bastardized version of the sport?
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06-27-2021 , 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by DeadMoneyWalking
I arrived at globogym when there was 2:00 left. Exited the sauna at :30. I did a full warm up and stretch routine before the game was over.

commercial
inbound pass
foul
free throws
commercial
inbound pass
foul
free throws
rinse wash repeat

what other sport ends the match by forcing a bastardized version of the sport?
and yet they “didn’t have time” to review the most important play of the game with <10 seconds left

regular season, I completely agree

nba is the best though, imo

getting is right in the playoffs is important imo

globogym huh

need to start hitting up 24 hour fitness at some point honestly. around 2-5 am when it’s relatively empty ideally
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06-28-2021 , 12:39 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RoadtoPro
($550) River: A 8 7 J J Hero checks. V hesitate jams 1k. Says “all in” if it matters.
Quote:
Originally Posted by RoadtoPro
Hero reluctantly calls after thinking everything over for a bit. Luckily, V says “you’re good” and we fastroll.

V was to my direct left and flashed us the K as well as another x. Didn’t catch what it was, and since V seemed agitated that I didn’t snap with the boat I didn’t press for info. Wouldn’t be surprised if it was K 10

results don’t give us too much clarity on whether V is value betting worse w this 1.8x pot sizing ofc.

And nice to scoop the $2,500+ in a capped 5/5, but that’s largely irrelevant and doesn’t really influence my decision to post the hand up. More focused on if I made the correct decisions all around

ty all for playing
Some other hands from the same session..
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5/5 $600 cap. Some hands are 5/5/10

Effective stacks are mostly not relevant; I cover for most hands, most villains have around 100bb.

H1

Hero posts CO. Couple limps. Hero iso 8 8 $45. YBG calls. HU.

Flop ($90): K J 7. Hero cb $30. V calls.

Turn ($150): K J 7 3. Checks through.

River ($150): K J 7 3 A. V probes $100. Hero folds.


H2

Pre-flop: Hero opens A 3 LP $30. Button and SB call.

Flop ($90): K 7 3. Check. Hero checks. BTN bets $65. We both fold.


H3

Pre-flop: Hero opens A K $30 LJ. 3 callers.

Flop ($115): 7 5 2. Hero x/f to pot.


H4

Pre-flop: OBG opens $25 CO. Hasn’t raised pre, although he stacked off earlier w Q8 on Q-7-6-5 ott vs aggro V. Hero calls with 8 8 otb. BB overcalls.

Flop ($70): A 8 6. V bets $75 confidently. Hero raises to $200. V snap jams $575~ total. Hero snap calls.

Board runs out unfavorably but V has A K so we take it down.

H5

Pre-flop: Hero opens A Q $30 LJ. Same V from 7 7 PAHWM up above calls next to act. Folds around.
Flop ($65): 9 8 9. Hero x/f to pot.

I’ll just be checking mostly everything here vs this V in this spot after that last hand. Nice to let V blast off into us when we have an OP. Our FE is greatly diminished given the dynamic as well.
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probably best to look at my lines to educate yourself on what not to do (rather than what to do)….

thoughts welcome

thanks for reading!

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06-28-2021 , 06:39 AM
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Originally Posted by RoadtoPro
400nl

V is a very good reg. Definitely has bluffs here, not sure what V is weighted towards compared to optimal.

I’m probably perceived as a bad reg to V. Not sure if there’s any meta that would impact my decision making in this hand so no need to write a novel.

$900E

OTTH

Pre-flop: Player posts EP. Hero open BTN $16 with A Q. V calls BB.

Flop ($34): Q 10 3. V checks. Hero bets $17. V x/r $51. Hero calls.

Turn ($136): Q 10 3 9. V bets $102. Hero calls.

River ($340): Q 10 3 9 3. V hesitates and then bets $500

Hero?
Hero calls and loses to KJo w a heart here
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