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06-28-2021 , 07:05 AM
The cynic in me wants to overfold OTT (not this combo) when the 9 hits a portion of his XR turn a pair (plus his huge sizing on the SC turn even deeper seems super nutted I guess he can play his FD's and strong TP+ this way) then OTR all the FD's that take this line, some of them probably have to bluff when he isn't finding the unintuitive XR w/ MP/WP and overbarreling turn... Umm I think I'd rather catch KQ w/o a flush blocker.

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06-28-2021 , 11:58 AM
QUOTE:5/5 $600 cap. Some hands are 5/5/10

Effective stacks are mostly not relevant; I cover for most hands, most villains have around 100bb.


Thoughts:

H1 - You only beat a bluff on the river so fold seems right with 3 over cards on the board.

H2 - standard fold in most games

H3 - I gather main V had called behind your LJ open and bet after everyone including you checked flop. Depending on my reads on the V (and whether I'd close the action with a call) I might take one off with the nut overs. But don't mind moving on to next hand either.

H4 - Looks good to me - he's got a lot of potential semibluffs/big A hands on the flop so going with middle set can't be bad IMO

H5 - I agree with the fold - splashy has proven he's not a "one and done" bettor and you don't know if your over cards are even live outs. And as you note he's not the guy to try a bluff check raise on

Don't agree with "probably best to look at my lines to educate yourself on what not to do (rather than what to do)…." - you played all these hands fine IMHO
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06-28-2021 , 05:44 PM
Productive Poker Hours Week of 6/21: 79

81, 58, 79, so need 82+ this week to hit my 300 hour goal for the month.
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Originally Posted by Dejavudu666
The cynic in me wants to overfold OTT (not this combo) when the 9 hits a portion of his XR turn a pair (plus his huge sizing on the SC turn even deeper seems super nutted I guess he can play his FD's and strong TP+ this way) then OTR all the FD's that take this line, some of them probably have to bluff when he isn't finding the unintuitive XR w/ MP/WP and overbarreling turn... Umm I think I'd rather catch KQ w/o a flush blocker.

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Ty for the feedback!


Quote:
Originally Posted by jrr63
Thoughts:

H1 - You only beat a bluff on the river so fold seems right with 3 over cards on the board.

H2 - standard fold in most games

H3 - I gather main V had called behind your LJ open and bet after everyone including you checked flop. Depending on my reads on the V (and whether I'd close the action with a call) I might take one off with the nut overs. But don't mind moving on to next hand either.

H4 - Looks good to me - he's got a lot of potential semibluffs/big A hands on the flop so going with middle set can't be bad IMO

H5 - I agree with the fold - splashy has proven he's not a "one and done" bettor and you don't know if your over cards are even live outs. And as you note he's not the guy to try a bluff check raise on
Ty for the feedback, sir!
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06-28-2021 , 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by RoadtoPro
400nl

V is a very good reg. Definitely has bluffs here, not sure what V is weighted towards compared to optimal.

I’m probably perceived as a bad reg to V. Not sure if there’s any meta that would impact my decision making in this hand so no need to write a novel.

$900E

OTTH

Pre-flop: Player posts EP. Hero open BTN $16 with A Q. V calls BB.

Flop ($34): Q 10 3. V checks. Hero bets $17. V x/r $51. Hero calls.

Turn ($136): Q 10 3 9. V bets $102. Hero calls.

River ($340): Q 10 3 9 3. V hesitates and then bets $500

Hero?

9 turn not great for us otherwise probably snapping this 3 river.

It was pretty tricky bc of the poor turn + great river combo for us. V is aware of all of that of course and forces us to make a tough decision

I had seen V take a similar line/sizings and show up with a bluff, but that’s implied and expected as well from this V so I’m not sure how relevant that is in and of itself for this spot

Also wondering if anyone is clicking fold ott on this card vs that sizing
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Originally Posted by Dejavudu666
The cynic in me wants to overfold OTT (not this combo) when the 9 hits a portion of his XR turn a pair (plus his huge sizing on the SC turn even deeper seems super nutted I guess he can play his FD's and strong TP+ this way) then OTR all the FD's that take this line, some of them probably have to bluff when he isn't finding the unintuitive XR w/ MP/WP and overbarreling turn... Umm I think I'd rather catch KQ w/o a flush blocker.

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V is or is using some type of bot/gto/pio/whatever they're calling it now. He bet $51 into $51 otf and exactly .75 pot ott. I assume this means V has pre-planned a very orderly turn strategy that has him betting most of the time. Hero is near the top of his flop calling range and has no way of knowing when V turned the joker.
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06-28-2021 , 07:43 PM
300 hours is insane! Don't burn yourself out
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06-28-2021 , 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by DeadMoneyWalking
V is or is using some type of bot/gto/pio/whatever they're calling it now. He bet $51 into $51 otf and exactly .75 pot ott. I assume this means V has pre-planned a very orderly turn strategy that has him betting most of the time. Hero is near the top of his flop calling range and has no way of knowing when V turned the joker.
doubt it for this hand but in general, v possible. that + the super high rake, liquidity etc are a few reasons I’ve touched on in the past as to why apps not ideal for mid steaks+ or just in general.There are some good things though.

It usually evens out for the most part. And US regs limited anyways for mid steaks+

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Originally Posted by Thommehh
300 hours is insane! Don't burn yourself out
I like your positivity sir

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06-29-2021 , 02:36 AM
3-2 Suns. Best of 7. Game 6 Wednesday.



not sure if I’m deserving of it, but would love to go to a clippers finals game.

LFG
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06-29-2021 , 02:40 AM
200nl

V is unknown, seems reggy

$200E

OTTH

Pre-flop: Hero RFI $6 EP with A K. BTN calls. BB overcalls.

Flop ($19): K 8 2. Hero c-bets $6. V calls.

Turn ($31): K 8 2 9. Hero continues $23. V raises to $66.

Hero?

Seemingly insignificant spot, just wondering if I’m crazy for starting to think clicking fold is best here vs the average reg anywhere.

Turn check also an option, but I’ll be checking any KT, KJ I arrive here with already

I folded in game, no showdown
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06-29-2021 , 04:27 AM
Seems fine but very exploitable ofcourse, I should do it more often too as this is almost always 2p+, reminds of of a hand from poker after dark, Viffer vs Hellmuth "9ball corner pocket"
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06-29-2021 , 08:00 AM
Quote:
just wondering if I’m crazy for starting to think clicking fold is best here vs the average reg anywhere.
Standard Baluga Theorem spot, imo. You should be folding here without a good reason not to (history, reads, game conditions, etc.). Yes, this theorem is old, but it still applies much more than people give it credit for.
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06-29-2021 , 02:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RoadtoPro
200nl

V is unknown, seems reggy

$200E

OTTH

Pre-flop: Hero RFI $6 EP with A K. BTN calls. BB overcalls.

Flop ($19): K 8 2. Hero c-bets $6. V calls.

Turn ($31): K 8 2 9. Hero continues $23. V raises to $66.

Hero?

Seemingly insignificant spot, just wondering if I’m crazy for starting to think clicking fold is best here vs the average reg anywhere.

Turn check also an option, but I’ll be checking any KT, KJ I arrive here with already

I folded in game, no showdown
It seems weird but that 9 is one of the worst turn cards for you. Pocket pairs under the 8 will fold OTF but 99/TT won't. JJ probably 3bets preflop but then the 9 also helps 98s/K9s.

You didn't specify if it was BTN or BB that was Villain. I'll assume it was BTN since you said raise and not XR.
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06-29-2021 , 04:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Thommehh
Seems fine but very exploitable ofcourse, I should do it more often too as this is almost always 2p+, reminds of of a hand from poker after dark, Viffer vs Hellmuth "9ball corner pocket"
Ty for the feedback, sir!

I like the PAD reference

Yeah, mostly 2p+ I’d imagine. Probably “have” to station off a river blank as well so a turn call likely isn’t the last of the $ we put in

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Originally Posted by Garick
Standard Baluga Theorem spot, imo. You should be folding here without a good reason not to (history, reads, game conditions, etc.). Yes, this theorem is old, but it still applies much more than people give it credit for.
Thanks for dropping in, Garick!

ty for the feedback!

Agreed completely. As a side note, I do think anyone that tries to approach the environment like a low stakes live game will struggle to beat the rake.

That being said, if one studies enough theory/does enough solver work efficiently it makes it a lot easier to identify which spots regs are likely eat underbluffing

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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker
It seems weird but that 9 is one of the worst turn cards for you. Pocket pairs under the 8 will fold OTF but 99/TT won't. JJ probably 3bets preflop but then the 9 also helps 98s/K9s.

You didn't specify if it was BTN or BB that was Villain. I'll assume it was BTN since you said raise and not XR.
Nice to see you in here as well, ddp!

yeah, BTN. ty for the feedback!

how’s the grind treating you?
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06-29-2021 , 05:16 PM
fold one pair to a turn raise
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06-29-2021 , 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by RoadtoPro
3-2 Suns. Best of 7. Game 6 Wednesday.



not sure if I’m deserving of it, but would love to go to a clippers finals game.
Bought Clips preseason @ 6.5x after they got Ibaka ; I thought he would be the missing piece especially when Zubac becomes unplayable and for a positive locker room presence, leader and good friend of KL (I also believed the Lakers and Brooklyn to be injury proned). But, alas, after seeing both KL and Ibaka fall to injuries, I cannot fathom seeing all of Morris, PG and Jackson having strong performances simultaneously in 3 consecutive games (along with CP4 and Booker having weak games)... It has been quite the ride though
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06-29-2021 , 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by SimpleRick
fold one pair to a turn raise
learning from the best

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Originally Posted by Dubnjoy000
Bought Clips preseason @ 6.5x after they got Ibaka ; I thought he would be the missing piece especially when Zubac becomes unplayable and for a positive locker room presence, leader and good friend of KL (I also believed the Lakers and Brooklyn to be injury proned). But, alas, after seeing both KL and Ibaka fall to injuries, I cannot fathom seeing all of Morris, PG and Jackson having strong performances simultaneously in 3 consecutive games (along with CP4 and Booker having weak games)... It has been quite the ride though


yeah, I completely agree

injuries are part of the game ofc, but don’t think the clippers would have any problems putting the suns away with a healthy kawhi.

keep in mind he’s been out all five games and the clippers have blown out the suns in each of their two wins.

the suns are alright I suppose, but the mavs and jazz were both tougher opponents/better teams imo.

KL top 5 basketball player on the planet after all. Series likely already over in an alternate universe (in the clippers favor).

As it stands, one game at a time!
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06-30-2021 , 05:03 AM
400nl

Main V is the spot. Everyone else in the hand is a reg. More info below

$820E

OTTH

Pre-flop: new player posts to my right. Hero open CO $16 with K 10. V calls btn. Both blinds call. post folds.

Flop ($68): K 6 2. Blinds check. Hero checks. Main V bets $50. BB calls. Hero calls.

Turn ($218): K 6 2 K.
Checks to V, who bets $160. BB folds. Hero calls.

River ($538): K 6 2 K 5. Hero checks. V hesitates and then ob jams $592

Hero?

Don’t think this V has worse often for value, or is pulling a super sophisticated bluff. Do think V will be going bananas and spazzing often. Hard to put numbers and frequencies to that.

Played a hand earlier where V 5b jammed $800/200bb pre w 88s. I snapped w KKs, lost the hand if it matters via 8xxxx so V is up a healthy amount and tightened up since it seemed as recs do to protect their imaginary profit or whatever

Spoiler:
I also folded here, but V showed so I have results
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06-30-2021 , 04:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RoadtoPro
400nl

Main V is the spot. Everyone else in the hand is a reg. More info below

$820E

OTTH

Pre-flop: new player posts to my right. Hero open CO $16 with K 10. V calls btn. Both blinds call. post folds.

Flop ($68): K 6 2. Blinds check. Hero checks. Main V bets $50. BB calls. Hero calls.

Turn ($218): K 6 2 K.
Checks to V, who bets $160. BB folds. Hero calls.

River ($538): K 6 2 K 5. Hero checks. V hesitates and then ob jams $592
Hero open folds (I like to do this vs recs as it incentives them to show) and V shows 8 7.

Anyone playing it differently in our shoes?

I was thinking about the 200bb 5b jam w 88s which made it tempting to flick in a river call but given that this was a srp and V bet flop large into 3 players it seemed far less likely V would show up with the naked A or something.

I do think V would call hands like A 3 pre though so V does arrive to the flop with a lot of that

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06-30-2021 , 04:46 PM
Seems fine, I think recs in general are more prone to spew it off pre than to take a line like this post as a bluff, will be a bit player dependant ofc
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06-30-2021 , 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Thommehh
Seems fine, I think recs in general are more prone to spew it off pre than to take a line like this post as a bluff, will be a bit player dependant ofc
Ty for the feedback, sir! Agreed, put emphasis on the 88 HH given lack of other info.
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Spoiler:
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06-30-2021 , 09:04 PM
Curious as to all of your thoughts regarding the 12 year old grandmaster?
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06-30-2021 , 11:58 PM


congrats to the suns, well deserved. gl to them moving forward
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07-01-2021 , 12:00 AM
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Originally Posted by squid face
Curious as to all of your thoughts regarding the 12 year old grandmaster?
Thanks for the question, sqwid!

Here’s a link for those out of the loop:

https://www.espn.com/chess/story/_/i...-chess-history

Okay, so first of all huge congrats as 12 years 4 months is the new world record which hasn’t been broken in 19 years. Pretty insane. Don’t know him as he is almost a decade younger so no anecdotes.

I was fortune enough to represent our country in 2009 and 2013 so through that and several National events over the years I know a lot of these guys personally and they’re all amazing people and definitely geniuses for the most part.

To put his accomplishment into perspective, there are less than 2000 grandmasters. Ever. I believe less than 0.01% of people who play competitively in tournaments (FIDE) achieve the title.

Chess is a true meritocracy.

But that’s why it’s a world record!

I have a tremendous amount of respect for these guys, and very few of them get the appreciation they deserve.

Apparently he spends twelve hours a day on chess which sounds about right. 12 hours a day for him is like 100 hours a day for the average player. Put those two things together over an extended period of time and you get transcendence.

glgl to him
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07-01-2021 , 01:20 AM
200nl

Main V is unknown, seems reggy

CO is unknown shortie.

$200E w Main V.

OTTH

Pre-flop: Hero RFI $6 MP with A 5. LP calls. BB calls.

Flop ($20): J 9 2. V checks. Hero bets $6. CO calls. SB x/r $30. Hero calls. CO folds.

Turn ($86): J 9 2 10. V bets $86.

Hero? $165E behind heading into the turn. $79 if I call.

Plugged this one in equilab, came to the conclusion that it was probably close (between call/fold) given the implieds v Villain’s likely range. I expect it to be really strong given flop was multi-way and CO called the initial c-bet off a ss.

Pretty insignificant decision imo but maybe I’ve been approaching this incorrectly though and jam is the best option in this particular spot lol

Given when v has weaker club draws, v’s probably not putting any more $ in unimproved when they leave that amount back.

so wondering what others think
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07-01-2021 , 01:40 AM
fold turn.
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07-01-2021 , 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by SimpleRick
fold turn.
ty for the feedback, sir!
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