Standard flop spot with TPTK in limped pot
09-10-2013
, 11:32 PM
Results (not that important though of course): hero jams quickly, villain shakes head and pushes the rest of his chips in after a few seconds. Diamonds hit, villain flashes a 9 before mucking.
I think the spot is pretty close (although apparently most people seem to think it's really easy, but with differing opinions
).
IMO calling is the worst option since decsribed villain basically has a non-existent raise/fold range on the flop, but overcards or flushing cards could scare villain on the turn (calling then check/folding a low diamond turn is pretty bad also).
I think the spot is pretty close (although apparently most people seem to think it's really easy, but with differing opinions
).IMO calling is the worst option since decsribed villain basically has a non-existent raise/fold range on the flop, but overcards or flushing cards could scare villain on the turn (calling then check/folding a low diamond turn is pretty bad also).
09-11-2013
, 06:27 AM
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Results (not that important though of course): hero jams quickly, villain shakes head and pushes the rest of his chips in after a few seconds. Diamonds hit, villain flashes a 9 before mucking.
I think the spot is pretty close (although apparently most people seem to think it's really easy, but with differing opinions).
IMO calling is the worst option since decsribed villain basically has a non-existent raise/fold range on the flop, but overcards or flushing cards could scare villain on the turn (calling then check/folding a low diamond turn is pretty bad also).
I think the spot is pretty close (although apparently most people seem to think it's really easy, but with differing opinions
).IMO calling is the worst option since decsribed villain basically has a non-existent raise/fold range on the flop, but overcards or flushing cards could scare villain on the turn (calling then check/folding a low diamond turn is pretty bad also).
09-13-2013
, 11:20 PM
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You are right.
And you are wrong (imho.)
Assumption: villain is calling his entire raising range if we ship.
Conclusion: the best course of action is to call and let one card peel.
DUCY?
If we are beat, it makes no difference if we gii on the flop or turn.
If we are way ahead (i.e. 9x) then villain is going to gii on the turn and we lose no value.
If villain has flush draw, they are going to call a non-diamond turn anyhow and do so getting horrible odds.
If villain makes his flush on the turn, he's likely to fist-pump shove (almost literally) and allow us to fold TPTK and spend the $290 on titties and beer.
There are even outcomes where villain makes a horrible mistake. For example, I've seen villains check sets on a
turn and fold a river. Pretty sweet.
And you are wrong (imho.)
Assumption: villain is calling his entire raising range if we ship.
Conclusion: the best course of action is to call and let one card peel.
DUCY?
If we are beat, it makes no difference if we gii on the flop or turn.
If we are way ahead (i.e. 9x) then villain is going to gii on the turn and we lose no value.
If villain has flush draw, they are going to call a non-diamond turn anyhow and do so getting horrible odds.
If villain makes his flush on the turn, he's likely to fist-pump shove (almost literally) and allow us to fold TPTK and spend the $290 on titties and beer.
There are even outcomes where villain makes a horrible mistake. For example, I've seen villains check sets on a
turn and fold a river. Pretty sweet.
I got into a similar situation as this a few days ago, against a fairly smart recreational player in a 7 way limped pot, albeit, he had around 100bbs. I was BB, he was UTG.
I called flop raise after leading with TPTK, check called turn, and he checked back the river (lol no value bet) on a 103c4c flop, 6r turn, 8r river.
He showed 34....
His bet sizing was on the small side on the flop (i bet $60, he made it $135) which was screaming either TP, over pair, or exactly 34, but I couldn't rule out 56, or clubs.... I would expect him to raise larger with a set, and for some reason I had a hard time thinking he would limp 34 suited UTG. Against that entire range, I rather try and extract from lesser tens, and make good folds against hands that are crushing me later in that hand.
I thought of leading the turn when the blank hit, and in hindsight I prefer that for the reasons stated, and also because I could have controlled the pot size, which is nice when you're value owning yourself. I would have probably bet around $200-$220, and he bet $275
