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04-26-2020 , 03:22 AM

#10076

Dream Crusher

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Actually, I am wrong about Phil..not that he sucks but I do remember him playing those games...I have a bad memory hah

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04-26-2020 , 03:26 AM

#10077

Dream Crusher

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Actually,I double take that back. What year was Galfond top 5 high stakes winner online?

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04-26-2020 , 03:26 AM

#10078

RoadtoPro

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Originally Posted by Dream Crusher

Right when I posted that i remembered his name: Linus

yes. deeepz. legend.

i have very little restraint but i refuse to talk about my poker abilities itt. will not end well.

"stop talking until you've actually accomplish something"

can see that bs coming from a thousand miles away. paging squid and sabr.

it's not as if you can control/predict success or anything accurately.

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04-26-2020 , 03:29 AM

#10079

Dream Crusher

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No, I was just curious how it was going.

I believe Galfond was a top 5 winner in 2008 but then was surpassed by other players. That is my view without doing a lot of research on it.

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04-26-2020 , 03:30 AM

#10080

RoadtoPro

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Originally Posted by Mr Spyutastic

*yore

Also what will you do with all that money?

facilitate avenues to freedom. Such as outsourcing any tasks I may have (4 hour workweek) and buying time back through a plethora of ways. Will look to maximize efficiency. I don't see too much marginal benefit to 5,000,000 over 50,000,000 when single.

Which is exactly why I don't understand what's wrong with my goals. I'm not missing out on much, and yeah I may change my mind but not striving to achieve a solid work-life balance anyways.

Right now I have lots of time and not that much money. At 35, this may flip. Will adjust accordingly.

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04-26-2020 , 03:32 AM

#10081

rickroll

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rtp, in all seriousness what stakes you playing now and what is your win rate?

genuinely not attacking you, just very curious where you are at in this progress as we speak

are you staked? if not then are you looking to get staked?

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04-26-2020 , 03:38 AM

#10082

RoadtoPro

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rr- I've talked about that several times itt. It should be enough. Not looking to spark discussion and I understand that this isn't a PG&C. Just can't resist responding usually. So sorry about that to those who can't stand me (ily FW and natamus).

will not be full time until I graduate college in the summer. And then will need to wait forever to turn 21 before I can play live in LA.

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04-26-2020 , 03:48 AM

#10083

rickroll

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you really want me to pull out the janky search feature and skim through the results?

c'mon man, that seems like a dodge

i'm asking to get a good idea of where you are currently not attack you

it goes without saying that most crushers were already crushing online even when still playing part time in college but you know that already and it's also unfair to compare those times

nor does that mean progress isn't possible, you should definitely check out dan colman and otbtheredbaron's pgc threads here as they were both started when they were small time and pretty neatly track their progress to becoming end bosses - definitely worth a look

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Last edited by rickroll; 04-26-2020 at 03:53 AM.

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04-26-2020 , 03:53 AM

#10084

RoadtoPro

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no, I want you (and dc) to understand that I am extremely transparent, so if you really care to know you'll find what you're looking for at this point. not a "dodge" lol. Unless it's personal, in which case hopefully not lmao. I'm sure some of the things I've said are a bad look. Oh well. Just trying to feel welcomed in some ways.

Absolutely -EV for me to address certain things repeatedly although I continue to do so and am trying to work on it.

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04-26-2020 , 03:57 AM

#10085

Dream Crusher

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As far as I know you haven't even posted in the last week so how do I know what you're playing?

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04-26-2020 , 04:01 AM

#10086

rickroll

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dude it is a dodge because in the time it took you to post twice explaining why it's not worth your time to state what stakes you are playing you could have simply typed something much more succinct like "2/5 9b/hour live, nl200 3bb/100" or something like that

don't be that girl who gets angry the guy she's very casually dating didn't memorize her birthday when she mentioned it once late at night after several drinks and only been on 4 total dates with the guy

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04-26-2020 , 04:08 AM

#10087

RoadtoPro

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i stop posting everytime people start attacking me in droves. Which is basically every time I post. I'm sure I'm the problem. I just don't know what to do about it. lol. Yes I should stop talking about chess, but I'm not sure how else to validate my beliefs. No, I don't care that some of you think there is little correlation between chess and poker. Because you're wrong. Variance is always a huge factor but it impacts your winrate exponentially less when you're crushing the games you play in. Which is obviously the eventual goal. Most making those comments are likely not crushing the games they play in so obviously they cry about negative variance. My view on this has nothing to do with not having experienced the "abyss" of bad beats yet. It's just math. But yeah, sorry for being lame I guess.

was studying lots of pokerz. mostly watching RIO vids (ishter is amazing) and school ofc (finals are coming up quick). played a good amount I guess although it's annoying that you can't track anything on poker bros (against TOC). Very hard to get better on that app ugh.

I play .01/.02 while sometimes shotting .05/.10 when feeling lucky.

HU4ROLLZ at least once a day

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Last edited by RoadtoPro; 04-26-2020 at 04:16 AM. Reason: ocd

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04-26-2020 , 04:10 AM

#10088

RoadtoPro

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Originally Posted by rickroll

you have reading comprehension issues, my friend.

and your analogies are even worse than mine.

rr- you accusing me of "dodging" when I share more about myself than anyone itt is dumb af. Whatever, dude. get a life. I've been extremely receptive to what you've had to say.

Last edited by RoadtoPro; 04-26-2020 at 04:20 AM. Reason: rr got a case of the olds

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04-26-2020 , 04:10 AM

#10089

Dream Crusher

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I don't believe the app has .01/.02 but I have played that level a bit before.

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04-26-2020 , 04:14 AM

#10090

RoadtoPro

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spoiler

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04-26-2020 , 04:16 AM

#10091

DeadMoneyWalking

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Originally Posted by Mr Spyutastic

Why don't you try to be the best options trader of all time?

that sounds like gambling.

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04-26-2020 , 04:28 AM

#10092

Dream Crusher

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If you are running bad on the app it's no big deal. You can just blame it on the RNG like everyone else.

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04-26-2020 , 04:33 AM

#10093

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Originally Posted by rickroll

But he knows that you and other people will try to pick him apart.

Honestly, while I’ve had a few big rows with him and there are a load of things about his responses that I don’t agree with and have rofl’d at, it’s like a form of bullying when he comes in here and then the thread gets clogged with the same ****.

He’s finds it too hard to ignore it but he’s trying his best tonight. Just let him be

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04-26-2020 , 04:33 AM

#10094

RoadtoPro

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Run bad is a myth. Jesus christ man you too? Where did you get that from?

I am doing perfectly fine man, I promise. Life is great. Just trying to slowly share less and achieve something in poker before gloating too much. I know it's getting old. It was unintentional, to begin with. I just don't like being told what I can and can't do.

edit: FW said it better. ty man.

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04-26-2020 , 04:34 AM

#10095

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Originally Posted by Dream Crusher

I don't believe the app has .01/.02 but I have played that level a bit before.

I’ve been crushing the 01.02/04 plo. 15% ROI over 1k hands

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04-26-2020 , 04:36 AM

#10096

Dream Crusher

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I'm way down on PLO on the app. Haven't played many hands but still way down lol

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04-26-2020 , 04:38 AM

#10097

Dream Crusher

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Originally Posted by RoadtoPro

Run bad is a myth. Jesus christ man you too? Where did you get that from?

From the PokerBros thread..although then it got moved to the Poker is rigged thread. Many posters have posted this though. It would explain how I won each of my first ~15 days.

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04-26-2020 , 06:06 AM

#10098

rickroll

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Originally Posted by feel wrath

fair enough, i understand that, but i genuinely wasn't going in with any intention to bring him down or anything

if he wants to talk about his goals then talking about his progress to them shouldn't be too controversial and if he believes anyone trying to push forward discussion on it is not in good faith asking a question then why even post here in the first place?

i've genuinely was trying to drive the conversation into something more tangible than heart, ambition, & innate skill and genuinely think if his progress was something visceral and tangible rather than "I just want it and have the talent" then it could be productive instead of a back and forth that doesn't lead anywhere

if we grounded it on specifics then i think the discussion would be much less toxic that's all

if someone asks him a question about his progress and he is worried they are only doing so to attack him then it's just a bad situation all around

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04-26-2020 , 06:58 AM

#10099

Mr Spyutastic

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Gave the app a try this week at micros. Seems alright.

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04-26-2020 , 07:56 AM

#10100

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Originally Posted by RoadtoPro

Let's say we're 200 BB effective. And you have a wannabe pro tag which I can see. Let's say I'm a newbie.

I open QJcc 2.5x in the CO and you 3-bet (3-4x) a range of 10s+, AJ+, KQ+ from the SB without the inclusion of some more speculative hands and pairs (56s, 67s, 89s, 55-77) like most grinders who multi-table. Since balance is overrated.

I call since I have a good hand and getting a price IP at the given stack depth.

Flop 765hhd. What do you do? I have <15% equity vs your range. Yet, good luck winning this hand, on average, on the average run out. Especially when I likely shove river the vast majority of the time since I won't have SDV. I figure you'll want to wait for a better spot even with the top of your range (AA-KK?)

When you do fold, you'll have no idea I was bluffing since I won't show. You'll assume V couldn't possibly be bluffing, and if they are its just a random spaz and completely uncalculated. Rinse and repeat for V.

The SPR is 10-15 and you are OOP with a huge nut disadvantage despite crushing a standard r/c range from the CO in 6-max.

This was a big realization for me so just wanted to share. It's not button clicking. It's taking the time to build your range appropriately in every configuration and deviating accordingly, rather than exploiting prior to doing so.

(Hope this makes sense....lot of tequila)

So this is a great post and it’s hard to argue with strategically. You’re right if we’’re playing vs a good player who is trying to outplay us

But tactically the vast majority of the people we’re playing at 100 and 200 nl online and up to 2/5 and often 5/10 live are playing their cards and not their ranges and rarely their opponents ranges .

So in this specific example, because we’re playing against people who rarely try to outplay us, call too much and bluff too little on early streets and then fold too much with marginal hands on turns and rivers when betting gets big. So we c bet this flop with that range and then fold to a raise, probably actually barrell the turn and rep an overpair and potentially actually bet/fold, give up or sometimes bluff shove river.

I think it’s more profitable to table change than to amend our 3 bet range when we’re playing wizards. I get that if you aspire to battle the best and be the bestest, this may seem cowardly but it works for me

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