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05-20-2021 , 05:21 PM
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...Yup, that's teh era. Most mind-blowing (literally) thing I studied was the dueling culture among the self-styled "gentlemen" of the era. A lot of our early military officers shot each other.
Watching Hamilton got you a doctorate?
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05-20-2021 , 05:39 PM
No. Critiquing the parts of Hamilton that were wrong did.

In all seriousness, one of my advisors joint-taught a course with the theater department on Hamilton. Seemed like a cool course.

I knew about dueling, of course, but I had no idea how endemic it was, especially military-on-military. One of the guys I wrote about almost got into a duel over the correct maneuver to resume the order of march after practicing moving from that to order of battle and practicing volley fire.
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05-20-2021 , 05:59 PM
All thread quarrels should be settled via duels?

GHU4Headz?G
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05-20-2021 , 06:09 PM
Chad-rida would've had to defend himself a lot.

Here's a semi-related AskHistorians thread with some fun answers/anecdotes:

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistoria...n_and_general/

Any good books you recommend? I've had McCullough's John Adams on my reading list forever (or since the Paul Giamatti HBO special), but it seems like a monumental task.

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05-20-2021 , 06:36 PM
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I got driven around a racetrack by a pro race car driver in a Maserati levante.

I can confirm it’s a pretty nice car
Sabr got to drive it himself tho
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Looks like kid dyna mee tay got robbed.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...yers-home.html
The pics are gold
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05-20-2021 , 06:37 PM
After six hours yesterday, I found myself down $700 without ever losing more than $100 in any one pot. I forgot how much I love this game.
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05-20-2021 , 08:09 PM
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Looks like kid dyna mee tay got robbed.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...yers-home.html

Does he intentionally try to look like the douchiest douchebag to ever douche?
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05-20-2021 , 08:18 PM
Hamilton is so laughable and cringe I can't believe the hype it got
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05-20-2021 , 08:28 PM
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Hamilton is so laughable and cringe I can't believe the hype it got
Clearly, you're not woke enough.
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05-20-2021 , 08:43 PM
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Hamilton is so laughable and cringe I can't believe the hype it got
I refuse to watch it cause I think it makes light of slavery and paints the picture that African Americans from back then just LOVED the founding forefathers
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05-20-2021 , 09:35 PM
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House. Land just comes with it. Slight adjustments for abnormally large or small lots. Price/sf is generally a bit higher on houses that small, as some cost are relatively flat, instead of scaled by square footage. From 3Ksf and up, though, $100-125/sf was pretty standard.

We went large. 5Ksf house on a bit over half an acre.


No significant renovations this time. GG will be happy to hear that we will at least change the color of the cabinets in the kitchen, so technically we sill be keeping the kitchen remodel streak alive, but otherwise just some simple maintenance, carpet removal, etc..




Yup, that's teh era. Most mind-blowing (literally) thing I studied was the dueling culture among the self-styled "gentlemen" of the era. A lot of our early military officers shot each other.
I heard Congress had to pass a rule amongst the elected Representatives banning dueling

Spoiler:
inside the Capitol.
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05-20-2021 , 10:26 PM
Hamilton isn't bad but the gap between what it's percieved as and what it is, is so ****ing large, that paying money to see it makes you a sucker.

It isn't bad, I didn't dislike watching it on TV, but I'm never going to it live.
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05-20-2021 , 10:54 PM
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I refuse to watch it cause I think it makes light of slavery and paints the picture that African Americans from back then just LOVED the founding forefathers
The sad truth is that slavery wasn't a very important issue to the founders. They just didn't focus on it one way or the other as much as one would think. Hamilton didn't like it, but he didn't make a big issue of it as the musical would have you believe. He donated money to an anti-slavery organization, but he also defended slaveholders' "property rights" in multiple cases. Jefferson didn't defend it as depicted, but he took part in it and only vaguely advocated for banning the trade.

Even one of the guys in my dissertation, who called himself an abolitionist, signed out a captured slave that the navy was holding (he was a slave to a foreign enemy slaveholder) to use as a personal servant while he was in US control.

All that said, I have zero idea where you get the idea that Hamilton the Musical paints a rosy picture of slavery. If anything, it makes the issue far more controversial than it was to most of the founders, who usually "agreed to disagree" about the issue. In later years, of course, the controversy became very central to American politics, but not so much during the founding.
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05-20-2021 , 11:31 PM
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I refuse to watch it cause I think it makes light of slavery and paints the picture that African Americans from back then just LOVED the founding forefathers

How can you refuse to watch something but then also have entrenched disapproving opinions about it...wouldn’t you need to watch it first to form those opinions?
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05-20-2021 , 11:41 PM
I read
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05-20-2021 , 11:52 PM
I really liked the movie Black Panther I saw it 8 times
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05-21-2021 , 12:13 AM
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I really liked the movie Black Panther I saw it 8 times
sabr was an executive producer on that film
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05-21-2021 , 01:02 AM
Garick - we have some legal poker now in GA. Just sayin'.
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05-21-2021 , 01:06 AM
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How can you refuse to watch something but then also have entrenched disapproving opinions about it...wouldn’t you need to watch it first to form those opinions?
Feely's excuse to his wife when she looks at his YouPorn history.
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05-21-2021 , 02:09 AM
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05-21-2021 , 03:21 AM
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Garick - we have some legal poker now in GA. Just sayin'.

XXNX>xvideos>nudevista>pornhub>youporn >xhamster
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05-21-2021 , 03:53 AM
coincidentally i'm watching fried green tomatoes and it's set in alabama and they don't take too kindly to those georgia boys

Garrick, I'm currently reading this, you may find it interesting https://www.amazon.com/When-America-.../dp/0871406896

it's mostly about civilian naval operations starting at the outset of independence when we were able to trade freely for first time - lots of interesting tidbits ie the reason why there's so few seals today is largely because we killed as many as we could to trade with china
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05-21-2021 , 04:34 AM
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The sad truth is that slavery wasn't a very important issue to the founders. They just didn't focus on it one way or the other as much as one would think. Hamilton didn't like it, but he didn't make a big issue of it as the musical would have you believe. He donated money to an anti-slavery organization, but he also defended slaveholders' "property rights" in multiple cases. Jefferson didn't defend it as depicted, but he took part in it and only vaguely advocated for banning the trade.

Even one of the guys in my dissertation, who called himself an abolitionist, signed out a captured slave that the navy was holding (he was a slave to a foreign enemy slaveholder) to use as a personal servant while he was in US control.

All that said, I have zero idea where you get the idea that Hamilton the Musical paints a rosy picture of slavery. If anything, it makes the issue far more controversial than it was to most of the founders, who usually "agreed to disagree" about the issue. In later years, of course, the controversy became very central to American politics, but not so much during the founding.
That's the same criticism I make of every period piece, the characters never see the world as people did. Instead they appear to have exited a graduate course in social theory and donned a costume. Hamilton is just the most famous offender.

Hamilton is just the most famous offender.


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Feely's excuse to his wife when she looks at his YouPorn history.
She snap-call?
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05-21-2021 , 04:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Garick
The sad truth is that slavery wasn't a very important issue to the founders. They just didn't focus on it one way or the other as much as one would think. Hamilton didn't like it, but he didn't make a big issue of it as the musical would have you believe. He donated money to an anti-slavery organization, but he also defended slaveholders' "property rights" in multiple cases. Jefferson didn't defend it as depicted, but he took part in it and only vaguely advocated for banning the trade.

Even one of the guys in my dissertation, who called himself an abolitionist, signed out a captured slave that the navy was holding (he was a slave to a foreign enemy slaveholder) to use as a personal servant while he was in US control.

All that said, I have zero idea where you get the idea that Hamilton the Musical paints a rosy picture of slavery. If anything, it makes the issue far more controversial than it was to most of the founders, who usually "agreed to disagree" about the issue. In later years, of course, the controversy became very central to American politics, but not so much during the founding.
Let me see which part I get wrong.

It’s a play, played by African Americans (descendants of slaves), about white people, almost all of who benefited from slavery, during a time when slavery was legal.
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05-21-2021 , 04:40 AM
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Feely's excuse to his wife when she looks at his YouPorn history.
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bahahahaha i somehow missed that

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forgot the wonderfully named youjizz and **********
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