I'm saying that 4b to 225 makes it easy to get it in by the turn. He's only going to stack off pre with KK+ and set mining everything else, just like I said on the first page of this thread. While your average V is not a high level thinker, they aren't totally stupid and they just don't bluff shove 300bb hardly ever. If I'm V and I know heros range is QQ+/AK only I play this the same way he did.

I'm never just snap folding aces on the turn but I would consider it. What you see is usually what you get at low stakes. V played this hand very strongly and he pretty much had the nuts. It's a cooler if he runs into KK but against QQ/AK/AA he played it perfect.

I guess it all comes down to risk vs reward.

There is no guarantee he would 5 bet w/ KK or indeed stack off for example on a Q high flop if I 4bet to 225.

I knew ott it's was neither a fist pump or a snap fold.

For me, a 4bet to 225 allows villain to play perfect against us preflop. He could well fold everything but KK and AA and possibly even AKs.

Yes your 225 makes it easy for you to win the pot pre or makes it easy for you to play post flop for stacks and if villain flops an kind of set we can give ourselves a pat on the back and think of villain as a donk as we didn't give him set mining odds as he should've only call with KK

My 4bet sizing was to keep 1010-KK in the hand AK, maybe even AQs KQs for extra value.

I really don't think that villian plays AK and differently on the flop and maybe he is capable of just shipping w AK ott as the pots got too big and he's pot struck.

All credit to villain for playing his set so fast.

If it had been the other way around, although I wouldn't have 3 bet with 88, I would have done with 1010+ and put a 10 or give me a set and I too play it the same way as villain.

Thanks for your input and everyone else's all the same. ;-)