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PAHWM 2/4 200 to 400 Buy in .  Crown Casino, Melbourne.  AA UTG deep, facing significant action PAHWM 2/4 200 to 400 Buy in .  Crown Casino, Melbourne.  AA UTG deep, facing significant action

10-21-2013 , 02:21 AM
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Originally Posted by DrTJO
It doesn't make sense to suggest that posters on this forum would be thinking like the Villain in this HH, given the OP description of him. Anyhow, 3-betting PPs and S/Cs and then calling a 4-bet from OOP with around 10:1 implied odds is generally not advisable. And to suggest there's only one combo of AK because Villain would only call AKs and not AKo isn't convincing. If you follow this kind of ranging to its logical conclusion, then you would be saying that we only beat 1 combo and lose to 9, giving us a mere 10% equity. This is without including 4 combos of 57s, which would mean our equity is even worse, since Villain hits the straight on the turn. With 10% equity, we should be snap folding to his shove on the turn. Can you honestly say you would be doing so?
I'm saying that 4b to 225 makes it easy to get it in by the turn. He's only going to stack off pre with KK+ and set mining everything else, just like I said on the first page of this thread. While your average V is not a high level thinker, they aren't totally stupid and they just don't bluff shove 300bb hardly ever. If I'm V and I know heros range is QQ+/AK only I play this the same way he did.

I'm never just snap folding aces on the turn but I would consider it. What you see is usually what you get at low stakes. V played this hand very strongly and he pretty much had the nuts. It's a cooler if he runs into KK but against QQ/AK/AA he played it perfect.
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10-23-2013 , 04:25 AM
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Originally Posted by wj94
I'm saying that 4b to 225 makes it easy to get it in by the turn. He's only going to stack off pre with KK+ and set mining everything else, just like I said on the first page of this thread. While your average V is not a high level thinker, they aren't totally stupid and they just don't bluff shove 300bb hardly ever. If I'm V and I know heros range is QQ+/AK only I play this the same way he did.

I'm never just snap folding aces on the turn but I would consider it. What you see is usually what you get at low stakes. V played this hand very strongly and he pretty much had the nuts. It's a cooler if he runs into KK but against QQ/AK/AA he played it perfect.
I guess it all comes down to risk vs reward.

There is no guarantee he would 5 bet w/ KK or indeed stack off for example on a Q high flop if I 4bet to 225.

I knew ott it's was neither a fist pump or a snap fold.

For me, a 4bet to 225 allows villain to play perfect against us preflop. He could well fold everything but KK and AA and possibly even AKs.

Yes your 225 makes it easy for you to win the pot pre or makes it easy for you to play post flop for stacks and if villain flops an kind of set we can give ourselves a pat on the back and think of villain as a donk as we didn't give him set mining odds as he should've only call with KK

My 4bet sizing was to keep 1010-KK in the hand AK, maybe even AQs KQs for extra value.

I really don't think that villian plays AK and differently on the flop and maybe he is capable of just shipping w AK ott as the pots got too big and he's pot struck.

All credit to villain for playing his set so fast.

If it had been the other way around, although I wouldn't have 3 bet with 88, I would have done with 1010+ and put a 10 or give me a set and I too play it the same way as villain.

Thanks for your input and everyone else's all the same. ;-)
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