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06-23-2012 , 12:47 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tmckendry
Games are getting tougher.. hunger for improvement needs to outpace the average donks improvements to increase hourly.

The TV shows give all the %'s and outs. They use words like Fold Equity

grinder market outlook = poor
My favourite maniac has started saying "value betting". I'm not always certain what he means by "value", though, so life's still good.
06-23-2012 , 02:13 AM
Just went read through some of the gun laws in California for a family member out there... Man that place sucks! I have never really said this before, but I am glad that I live in Colorado. California - home of the gang bangers carrying their guns and the place where law abiding citizens have barely any rights to carry theirs. Ugggh.
06-23-2012 , 02:28 AM
What a stupid hand:

Fish opens in CO to $15, button calls, I have KK and make it $60 from the SB. I have $500, fish covers. Fish calls $45, button folds.

Flop JT2 (pot $140)

I bet $85, he calls.

Turn 7 (pot $310)

I bet $150, he calls.

River 5 (pot $610)

I go all-in for $205. Not an ideal river, but I deliberately sized my bets like this to get value on every street, and now I'm shoving for 1/3 pot cause I'm not c/f and he can still have a bunch of worse hands.

He tanks, so I'm thinking "sweet he doesn't have a flush, I must be good." I want him to call now. He does eventually call.

He shows:
Spoiler:
SEVEN-DUECE OFFSUIT


Die.
06-23-2012 , 02:43 AM
Somehow I went on a massive heater afterwards by coolering some people for a lot of money and went from like -$1K down to like $2.8K up. Lost back a little bit and finished at like +$2.4K.

Biggest hand:

Folds to me in the CO. I have QQ and open to $15. BB (seems like aggressive reg) 3-bets to $45. I 4-bet to $125. He 5-bets to $225. Lots of money behind. I call an extra $100.

Flop Q-J-3r wow I run good here. He bets $350 I call. Turn 7 he ships like $675 I obv insta-call. AA no good.
06-23-2012 , 02:46 AM
Had a +1.5k day in like 2 hours. I broke all of the fish (I was down about 400 at one point). Hand of the day was this:

Mediocre to poor reg raises 25 (typically strong with bet size), I flat AT because BB is huge fish with 900. I cover.

Flop KQT (75)

Fish donks for 60, opener folds, I call. Could raise, but I don't think I have any FE. He's led 3 other times and been strong each time.

Turn 9 (205)

Fish donks 150, I pop to 350, fish calls.

River 5:spade (905)

Fish shoves, I double check and call.

I flipped right over, so didn't see what he had. Pretty sure it was a jack.
06-23-2012 , 02:49 AM
Also, stupid spot.

Lappy UTG and weak tight BB. 400 effective

Utg limps, folds around, I pop TT to 35 from the SB. BB calls, UTG folds.

Flop 987 (85)

I bet 55, raise to 135, .... Gross.
06-23-2012 , 02:56 AM
Meh, I jam. You're blocking the only hand you're in terrible shape against. Flipping vs two pair. Not so great equity vs set but whatever. I'm not folding and calling makes no sense either.
06-23-2012 , 03:07 AM
Yeah that's what I did, just a spot where nothing feels good.
06-23-2012 , 03:18 AM
Completely random:

Is this the worst way to die?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_familial_insomnia

Seems horrific. I'd have someone shoot me ASAP if I had this.
06-23-2012 , 06:39 AM
Biggest pot I've lost live was on an 8910 board when I had JJ.

Nothing to do other than bet/jam imo.
06-23-2012 , 06:41 AM
Total trainwreck of a hand... I dunno why I took such a stupid line, and end up in a tough spot on the river.

Villain is winning player, successful online 5/10+ reg, and plays semi-TAG. Not too loose and not tight either.

Game is 5/10, 2k eff, I have AQ in SB

PRE:
Villain opens to 40 UTG+1, (somehow table folds), I call in SB. BB folds, Heads up.

FLOP: AK4
I c/c 60.

TURN (210): 5
I lead 150, Villain call

RIVER (510): 7
I lead 360, villain ALL-IN ~1.7

I folded obv, oh and, flame away!



Going on 1.5 week vacation today. Will prolly still post a bit from my phone.
06-23-2012 , 09:12 AM
Is there argument for folding pre?

Also argument for check/raising turn then bet /folding river?
06-23-2012 , 09:41 AM
with that line you're basically only getting value from AJ (unless he opes AT and worse from UTG+1, which is certainly possible).

i probably just c/c the turn and c/f the river.
06-23-2012 , 10:23 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by masaraksh
Total trainwreck of a hand... I dunno why I took such a stupid line, and end up in a tough spot on the river.

Villain is winning player, successful online 5/10+ reg, and plays semi-TAG. Not too loose and not tight either.

Game is 5/10, 2k eff, I have AQ in SB

PRE:
Villain opens to 40 UTG+1, (somehow table folds), I call in SB. BB folds, Heads up.

FLOP: AK4
I c/c 60.

TURN (210): 5
I lead 150, Villain call

RIVER (510): 7
I lead 360, villain ALL-IN ~1.7

I folded obv, oh and, flame away!



Going on 1.5 week vacation today. Will prolly still post a bit from my phone.
I hate strategy discussion in the chat thread. But this hand is obv fine. Against a better, thinking player though you really should have check/raised the turn instead of leading out. It looks less bluffy IMO and you'll have more information when you see if he fires again.

Against a worse player, leading out is good cuz he'll instantly see the flush and your bet and assume that's what you have. But it really looks more bluffy to me than a check/raise.

Diskoteque: We're not getting value from anything anymore. We're bluffing to win this hand.
06-23-2012 , 10:54 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TAOxEaglex
I hate strategy discussion in the chat thread. But this hand is obv fine. Against a better, thinking player though you really should have check/raised the turn instead of leading out. It looks less bluffy IMO and you'll have more information when you see if he fires again.

Against a worse player, leading out is good cuz he'll instantly see the flush and your bet and assume that's what you have. But it really looks more bluffy to me than a check/raise.

Diskoteque: We're not getting value from anything anymore. We're bluffing to win this hand.
you think a thinking UTG+1 folds AJ here at a 5/10? AJ is a bluffcatcher but hero has bluffs in his range (as we can see)
06-23-2012 , 12:01 PM
I don't get the hand...seems like random btn clicking.
06-23-2012 , 12:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SABR42
Completely random:

Is this the worst way to die?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_familial_insomnia

Seems horrific. I'd have someone shoot me ASAP if I had this.
Yikes! Might be. I can't imagine how sick of being awake you would be. When I was in the army, I stayed (mostly) awake for 5 or 6 days a time or two. The time I remember best I only slept accidentally, like dozing off in the middle of a sentence or something. By the sixth day I felt tired, of course, but mainly I was pissed off that I was still awake. It's a strange feeling, it's like you have too many memories since the last time you slept. Like my brain was too full and needed to empty out. The best analogy I can think of is when you over eat at Thanksgiving or something, and you're completely stuffed. After 6 days without sleep, that's sort of how my head felt. I can't imagine what it would be like after six months or a year! Jesus.
06-23-2012 , 12:29 PM
Yeah the last time I stayed awake for two days straight, by the time I went to sleep my body felt very sore from lack of rest. Can't imagine what kind of torture that would be like after 6 months.

At a certain point you become like a living zombie. Your eyes twitch uncontrollably without closing. You can't walk because of exhaustion. Can't even muster the energy to speak. Make involuntary movements and gestures without being responsive. You go into a permanent pre-sleep state of trying to fall asleep even though the brain becomes incapable of sleeping. It's freaky.
06-23-2012 , 01:31 PM
I had a roller coaster of a session last night. Up 800, even, up 700, even, up 600, down 300, finished up 1000.

I am within 1 buy in of my peak. I will try to achieve that tonight after a month of break even.
06-23-2012 , 02:22 PM
@HTJ - I hear that Bay 101 has started a 2/3/5 deepstack game where you can buy in for $1000 instead of $500. Have you been playing it? Interested to get your thoughts on it. One of the 5/10 regs from down there has been coming up the peninsula to play at LC's because he says the deepstack game has killed the 5/10 (many of the 5/10 regs are playing the deepstack instead).
06-23-2012 , 02:43 PM
Spain vs France, I'm taking spain. I wonder what the betting line is.
06-23-2012 , 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by SeaUlater
Wow, just saw that long post with me in it.

What exactly did I say? I had no intention of hurting you, and I hope I didn't cross the line.
You had the nerve to say I don't know the fundamentals of poker, people have always said that on here, what tilted me is I told you how I study and you said I should be reading poker books, which pissed me off. I'm at a point in my career that I know how to review my own game and learning from 2+2 is more valid then any book. I read books when I learned the game 4 years ago. So I took a break because I was getting tilted for stupid reasons. My psyche is revamped now, I don't see myself getting tilted anymore.
06-23-2012 , 02:58 PM
Regardless of the cause of your tilt, it boils down to your own ego. Whether you make a bad play, get outplayed, or make a great play that doesn't work out right, it's your ego that puts you on tilt. Get over yourself. It's ironic that the better player you think you are, the more often you go on tilt. I won't name any names, but I'm sure you can think of a few who are victims of this. Obviously,*"most"*pros keep their egos in check, but I am sure that you know of that guy in your home game, local casino, or online who just thinks he's the best thing since the miniskirt (a better analogy than sliced bread, in my opinion). He gets bluffed out of his chair or a*"worse"*player catches the miracle card, and before you know it, his fragile little ego causes him to tilt off his remaining stack. ""I'm"*better than you; there's no way you should have beat*"me"*in that hand." "There's no justice in poker." ""I"*made a great play and you got so lucky." "That's the last time you will bluff*"me", I promise you that!"*"I, I, I, me, me, me"*- blah, blah, blah. Once you realize that this game is not about you, and that the results do not matter, you will be less likely to tilt. You have to take all of the emotion out of the game. The game is all about making good situational decisions, and what happens after that is meaningless. Once you have made your decision, the flop, turn, and river are just blank pieces of paper. With any luck, the chips will come your way after you have made the best possible decision most consistently (and they will, by the way). The key is to be confident in your decision-making. I mean, really love your own choices. Once you reach a level where you know all of the factors that go into decision-making and you use them all to make the best decision every time, your game will be hugely profitable over the long term, regardless of any bad results that happen along the way.
06-23-2012 , 03:04 PM
Trust me I don't tilt at the table. I never under estimate anyone. My passion cause's life tilt sometimes which is what I was talking about.

Goalllll spain
06-23-2012 , 03:17 PM
Here's a few to-the-point tips to help minimize the risk of going on tilt:- play within confortable limits - see bankroll management chart;
- create a checklist and use it prior to the session; stuff like eat, shower, close instant messenger, review previous session, etc; I will think about this and create one in the near future;
- don't be results-oriented; that is, do not check every minute your result for the session; focus on the quality of your game instead;
- put stop-loss limits; the ideea is to make it a matematical, preset decision, one you have no emotional control over;
- begin self monitoring; use that tiltometer;- don't chat if that disturbs your focus; turn off that chat;
- have secondary sources of income; this helps as it lowers the stess of losing money;
- have a ballanced life; live healthy; get enough rest, eat regularily, engage in recreational sports, go to gym

      
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